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03:51 < Mineque> hi
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06:15 < firespeaker> does navit have an abstracted library for generating static images from its binary format (converted from osm xml)?
06:16 < firespeaker> 2) how is the binary format so small?  is it some compressed form of the xml, or is it something else entirely?  does navit parse the entire structure to display a little window of it?
06:17 < firespeaker> 3) are map themes hard coded?  what are my current options for making my own map theme?
06:18 < Mineque> firstly hi
06:18 < Mineque> 1) i doubt
06:19 < Mineque> 2) check wiki.navit-project.org about navit binary format
06:19 < Mineque> 3) no, check navit.xml for layouts
06:19 < Mineque> every single item category has it's properties colors
06:20 < firespeaker> Mineque: thanks :)
06:20 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Layout
06:20 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit%27s_binary_map_driver
06:20 < firespeaker> Mineque: thanks again!
06:20 < Mineque> firespeaker: why you need 1)?
06:21 < Mineque> please share at wiki your new map layout when finished
06:21 < Mineque> ;)
06:21 < firespeaker> will do
06:22 < firespeaker> well, 1 might not be necessary, I was just interested
06:23 < firespeaker> 4) what's the format of the bookmarks file?  I can't quite figure out how to parse it / output bookmarks appropriately from another source
06:26 < Mineque> txt
06:27 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/API/Bookmarks
06:27 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Internal_GUI#Bookmarks
06:29 < firespeaker> neither of those address my question
06:30 < firespeaker> maybe I should rephrase
06:30 < firespeaker> what's the format of the lines in the bookmarks file?
06:30 < Mineque> ah ok
06:30 < Mineque> best will be save booksmark in navit and then check ;p
06:30 < Mineque> from navit
06:30 < Mineque> just make navit to generate that file
06:30 < firespeaker> well, I can't even see my current bookmarks, so I'm not sure that'll work...
06:30 < Mineque> i dont have any under hand
06:31 < Mineque> hmm
06:31 < Mineque> dont know
06:31 < Mineque> you'll have to check trac.navit-project.org to see if there is any info about broken bookmarks
06:33 < firespeaker> so I created this: mg:-0x92c56d 0x485ae8 type=bookmark label="testing" path="testing"
06:34 < firespeaker> but I can't figure out how those apparently hex coordinates translate to latitude and longitude
06:34 < firespeaker> (I'm also not sure what the difference between label and path is, but I don't really care at this point)
06:34 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/FAQ#Weird_coordinates_in_bookmarks.txt_and_centre.txt
06:35 < firespeaker> ooh thanks!
06:35 < Mineque> firespeaker: use wiki search! :D
06:36 < firespeaker> I would expect google to get that stuff, but I haven't had much luck.  then again, I wasn't trying all that hard.  noted for the future :)
06:37 < Mineque> hehe sure
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07:41 < firespeaker> what's the math function ln()?
07:44 < firespeaker> log to the base e?
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07:51 < firespeaker> hm, apparently just log.  odd
07:55 < firespeaker> I'm writing a python class to read/parse and write/update bookmark files
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07:58 < Mineque> firespeaker: great :)
07:58 < Mineque> from what format you'll covnert?
08:04 < firespeaker> what do you mean?
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08:24 < Mineque> do you want to import to navit some POI file?
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08:43 < firespeaker> Mineque: the intended source of the data is APRS
08:44 < Mineque> dont know it
08:44 < Mineque> nvm
08:47 < firespeaker> http://aprs.fi/ for a good implementation
08:47 < firespeaker> adding some basic aprs functionality for navit would be nice
08:48 < firespeaker> an ideal hardware APRS setup sends NMEA-compatible POIs to a gps device which displays them and their paths
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08:48 < firespeaker> I'm investigating replacing the gps device with navit
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09:23 < firespeaker> what are bookmarks supposed to look like in navit?  I see nothing where I leave bookmarks, but I have no idea what the intended behaviour's supposed to be
09:23 < Mineque> choose as destination
09:23 < Mineque> it's like Favourites
09:23 < Mineque> if you want POI you'll need to use CSV map type
09:24 < Mineque> choose as destination, show on map, choose as position (for demo vehiclke)
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09:26 < firespeaker> what does it show though?
09:26 < firespeaker> (is there any way to associate an icon with the bookmark?)
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09:45 < firespeaker> CSV map type?
09:47 < Mineque> wiki
09:47 < firespeaker> yeah, was just looking :)
09:48 < firespeaker> I don't see how to set icons though
09:54 < Mineque> me neither now
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10:04 < Number6> Morning
10:05 < Mineque> hi Number6
10:07 < Number6> Hey, Mineque
10:07 < zoff99> hi
10:07 < Number6> Hi zoff99
10:08 < zoff99> still standing still i see :-(
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10:10 < zoff99> is cp15 around?
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10:10 < Number6> Yes, it's a bit quiet. I've not seen him in a while. I need to get in touch with him also - one of the map servers is going offline (as am I, for a few weeks)
10:11 < kenguest> all packed up eh?
10:11 < zoff99> android version is awfully broken. shame, i was using it on my phone
10:11 < Number6> kenguest: I am packing a box called "/dev/random". Guess what it's filled with?
10:12 < kenguest> an orderly row of magnets?
10:12 < Number6> You've not seen my car. It's filled with magnets
10:12 < kenguest> RDA would be proud
10:13 < Number6> All I need is a paperclip
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10:15 < kenguest> or some body piercings.
10:16 < Number6> Heh
10:20 < kenguest> I've always wanted to sit in the cabin of some hugely strong electro-magnetic grabber like you see in car salvage yards and switch it on when some OTT guy with piercings walks underneath.
10:20 < kenguest> just for kicks.
10:21 < Mineque> lol
10:21 < Mineque> i see we have sadists here
10:27 < kenguest> Mineque: no. if you've that many body piercings you've done it to yourself.
10:34 < Mineque> but without plans to remove it with big force of electro-magnet
10:34 < Mineque> ;]
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10:50 < davem_> Number6: happy?
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10:51 < Number6> davem: No, I'm never happy
10:52 < davem> :(
10:54 < Number6> Actually, that's a lie. I'm happy when I go to sleep, knowing I didn't end up getting stabbed in this hell hole
10:55 < drlizau> kenguest those piercings are probably stainless steel and you won't pick the guy up with the big magnet
10:55 < drlizau> let's refine the concept ;)
10:56 < kenguest> heh.
10:56 < kenguest> back to the drawing board it is.
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11:04 < drlizau> across the room from me, a big induction coil, intended to heat up the rings and cook them
11:04 < drlizau> sorry, the idea came from across the room
11:05 < woglinde> ?
11:06 < Mineque> drlizau:  :D
11:06 < Mineque> hi woglinde
11:07 < drlizau> sorry woglinde, they were naughty thoughts
11:09 < drlizau> ;)
11:20 < kenguest> drlizau: I may have to subscribe to your newsletter.
11:21 < drlizau> just remember that i am old and white haired
11:21 < drlizau> and have learnt many things over many years
11:30 < Number6> Like where the bodies are?
11:31 < kenguest> and which breed of pigs eat the bones the best?
11:36 < Number6> Nah, bathtub full of potassium permanganate with a touch of hydrochloric acid as an ion exchanger
11:37 < drlizau> stains the skin a nasty brown
11:37 < drlizau> ;)
11:39 < Number6> That's why you wear gloves
11:39 < Number6> It's an expensive way to kill someone, though
11:41  * kenguest wonders how to tag quarries.
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11:43 < drlizau> it has a tag in the crazy tag schema
11:43 < drlizau> probably landuse=quarry
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11:53 < Mineque> navit: do you want to kill someone and dont know how? We'll help you!
11:57 < Number6> Killing someone is easy, hiding the body is hard
11:57 < Number6> Unless you're Jimmy Hoffa
11:59 < Mineque> i see you're experienced in that kind of stuff
12:00 < Mineque> what number your counter shows?
12:00 < Mineque> :D
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12:01 < drlizau> you guys must have put that guy udovdh off
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12:07 < woglinde> hi antenna1
12:08 < antenna1> hi woglinde, may I ask where you're from?
12:08 < woglinde> berlin
12:09 < antenna1> ah cool
12:12 < Number6> drlizau: No we didn't :-)
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22:52 < firespeaker> how do I feed POIs to navit that have icons?
22:52 < firespeaker> csv POIs don't seem to support icons
22:53 < firespeaker> and is there a way to define an icon for current location?
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23:01 < Guest90859> I' problems with navit on HTC Desire and need help
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