--- Log opened Wed Jun 22 00:00:37 2011 00:39 < curious> hum, ad wifi - _some_ blokes consider wlans to be 'too dynamic' - i think same goes for trees, benches and shitloads of roads 00:41 < curious> sure that OSM will not substitute some wlan mapping services, but well, some wlan access points are pernament enough to deserve mapping, i.e. some town squares , shopping malls, etc. just have long term policy to sustain free wlan access, and such places certainly deserve to be mapped 00:41 < curious> same goes for hotels, hostels, etc 00:41 < curious> even gas stations for trucks have it 00:42 < curious> then, it quite exists in OSM anyway , so if navit has such 'unimportant' poi's like benches, why not wlan 00:42 < curious> another quick question, sorry for asking actually as i guess it's somewhere in the wiki - pointing to page would be appreciated 00:43 < curious> how one can customize speech announcements? on wince navit uses espeak... it's 1)very quiet (even though volume is ramped up) 00:43 -!- OwenLA7QZ [~OwenLA7QZ@server.nowhere-else.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 < curious> 2)messages are totally not 'strategical' 00:43 -!- Morphous_ [jan@f048194158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:44 < curious> like 'follow this road for next 432 meters' ... come on , why not just 'just go along' 00:44 < curious> well, i guess everyone likes different style, thus i ask where it is customized 00:45 < curious> ah, and another question, is it possible to create OSD button for quickly switching ... OSD layout itself? 00:45 < curious> i.e. i would like to have 2 layouts, one for route planning , and one for actual driving 00:46 < curious> so i.e. one would include stuff like quick zoom buttons, scale, northing, disabling gps updates, quick changes of vehicle profiles etc etc 00:47 < curious> and another would just include quick zoom buttons (instead of +/- just 'small, large, panoramic,birdview, overview) and quite not much else 00:50 < curious> and yet another question - how to create OSD button quickly changing vehicle profile? i.e. switching inbetween 'bike' and 'car' 00:54 -!- bzed_ [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 00:56 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56 -!- bzed_ is now known as bzed 01:00 -!- Morphous_ [jan@f049161032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 01:26 -!- bzed_ [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 01:27 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:27 -!- bzed_ is now known as bzed 03:09 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@f054123032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:10 -!- noradtux [~quassel@f054123008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:31 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-178-007-204-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:32 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-092-074-004-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 05:22 -!- mibmib [adb546f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.181.70.248] has joined #navit 05:22 < mibmib> hi 05:23 -!- mibmib [adb546f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.181.70.248] has quit [Client Quit] 06:05 -!- Statler [~georg@62.206.124.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has quit [K-Lined] 06:29 <@Horwitz> morgen 07:04 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:16 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 07:16 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 08:00 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:11 < kenguest> GOOD MORNING! :D 08:15 -!- wrek-gar [~tchnkion-@dslb-084-057-038-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 08:15 < wrek-gar> hello? 08:17 < kenguest> wrek-gar: nobody but us chickens here. 08:19 < wrek-gar> kenguest: have you installed navit on any android devices? 08:21 < kenguest> nope - not yet anyway 08:23 < wrek-gar> do you know anyone who has? 08:24 < kenguest> not off the top of my head - no. 08:26 < wrek-gar> are you in some way connected with navit or android? 08:26 < kenguest> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android <-- is that any use to you? 08:27 < kenguest> scraping a few shekels together for some sort of device to run an openstreetmap based sat-nav app off. 08:27 < kenguest> and navit is one of those choices. 08:29 < kenguest> they haven't a port to the symbian S80 platform - which is probably a good thing, to be honest. 08:41 -!- goldfndr [~goldfndr@h-67-100-127-38.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #navit 08:41 -!- goldfndr^ [~goldfndr@h-72-244-204-110.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 09:04 -!- woglinde [~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net] has joined #navit 09:16 < noradtux_wirc> moin moin 09:18 < woglinde> hi noradtux 09:23 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has left #navit ["wIRC"] 09:23 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 09:24 < noradtux_wirc> woglinde: I have trouble finding out how to enable the new tunnel-extrapolation feature 09:24 < Number6> Morning 09:24 < noradtux_wirc> moin 09:25 < noradtux_wirc> what do I need to modify in navit.xml to enable it? 09:29 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Quit: Lost Connection] 09:30 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 09:30 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Client Quit] 09:35 < woglinde> hi number6 09:51 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 09:51 < noradtux_wirc> back again 10:23 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Quit: Lost Connection] 10:24 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 10:30 -!- nick_ [51ffb2f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.255.178.243] has joined #navit 10:32 < nick_> Is there anyone knows how to compile the navit source code on windows ? 10:33 < Number6> I know how to cross compile, nick_. Sadly, I don't know how to compile for Windows on Windows 10:35 < woglinde> hm 10:35 < woglinde> I compiled with cgywin 10:35 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 10:47 < nick_> Thank you for your replies. 10:47 < woglinde> number6 mbitter patches? 10:50 < nick_> woglinde, Thanks for your reponse. Can you tell how did you complied navit on windows with cgywin ? 10:52 < woglinde> install cygwin 10:52 < woglinde> and than compile it similar to linux 10:52 < woglinde> please look at the wiki I made a page about it or correct it 10:58 < nick_> Thanks woglinde, in fact, I tried to load all code in code::blocks and compile it with MinGW. It didn't work ! 10:59 < Number6> woglinde: I'm not touching any more code until my new employer has clarified if I can continue with Navit - sorry 11:00 < woglinde> hm oh 11:00 < woglinde> I thought you made a private too 11:00 < woglinde> nick_ whats the problem with minggw? 11:01 < Number6> Well, I'm still waiting. The university moves at a very slow speed with regards to this stuff :-( 11:01 < woglinde> ups made it 11:01 < woglinde> not made a 11:15 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Quit: Lost Connection] 11:15 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 11:18 < nick_> woglinde, the first problem is it can't find libgnuint1.h in bindtextdm.c. And I just find a file named libgnuit1.h.in in intl folder. Do you know how to fix that ? thank you ! 11:18 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20 < nick_> woglinde, I did some research in google for this problem and I didn't find the solution... 11:23 < woglinde> nick to old mingw? 11:24 < nick_> woglinde,do you mean my mingw version is too old ? 11:24 < woglinde> yes 11:24 < woglinde> maybee 11:26 < nick_> woglinde, which version of cygwin did you use ? 11:27 < woglinde> hm 11:27 < woglinde> didnt try the latest 11:27 < woglinde> was some month's ago 11:27 < woglinde> but latest should work 11:34 < nick_> woglinde I have already a installed cygwin (v3.2.49) , So I'll try to compile with cygwin and tell you the result. Thank you for your time and help !!! 11:34 < woglinde> sure 11:34 < woglinde> install qt too 11:34 < woglinde> or what you need 11:41 < nick_> woglinde, In fact, I need to integerate navit in a Qt application. 11:43 < woglinde> hm okay 11:43 < woglinde> we didnt with java too here at work 11:43 < woglinde> and controlled it over dbus 11:43 < woglinde> but windows dont have dbus 11:47 < nick_> woglinde,So, do you mean it's impossible to integerate navit in a Qt application ? 11:48 < woglinde> hm you need to write some controller glue 11:48 < woglinde> like the jni stuff for android port 11:49 < woglinde> dont know what function you need 11:51 < nick_> I need just some easy fonctions like zooming map, moving map and find some POI and find a rout from a point to another. 11:52 < woglinde> yeah with dbus besides poi search it wouldnt be that hard 11:54 < nick_> woglinde, can you give me some suggestions about how to write controller glue ? 11:55 < woglinde> hm 11:57 < nick_> woglinde, I have to leave to eat. I will be back later. 11:57 < woglinde> hm I will be maybee off 12:22 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has joined #navit 12:40 < nick_> hi woglinde, I'm back here 12:41 < nick_> woglinde, are you stille here ? 12:41 < woglinde> yes 12:46 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@91.192.12.120] has quit [Quit: Lost Connection] 13:05 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- wrek-gar [~tchnkion-@dslb-084-057-038-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 13:32 < zoff99> hi 13:33 < woglinde> hi zoff 13:38 < Number6> Hi Zoff 13:39 -!- woglinde [~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net] has quit [Quit: zapp] 13:40 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 13:41 -!- zoff99_ [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 13:41 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41 -!- zoff99_ is now known as zoff99 13:42 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110037.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 13:54 < zoff99> if you are feeling adventurous, you can try thoses android versions: 13:54 < zoff99> http://work.zoff.cc/zanavi/files/builds/ 13:54 < zoff99> mapdownload works on that one 14:44 < kenguest> 14:38 < KDDA> anyone know of a wince program I can install that I can just tag the screen and record the point as Im driving? 14:44 < kenguest> Number6: could the wince port of navit do that? 14:44 < kenguest> i.e. is it capable of doing so already 14:55 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-008-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 15:00 -!- apmon [~apm@ucb-np2-139.colorado.edu] has joined #navit 15:05 -!- dandor_logger [dandor@turul.eet.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:13 < curious> hum, yeah, btw. can logging be enabled by OSD button? would be handy to tap some button to record route, then tap it again to stop 15:22 -!- dandor_logger [dandor@turul.eet.bme.hu] has joined #navit 15:22 < dandor_logger> | Starting logging this channel #navit - See logs at http://localhost - Lines beginning with "[off]" will not be logged - You can stop logging by typing dandor_logger: off 15:25 < curious> also , it's crappy that one can't scroll vehicle profile list :/ 15:27 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-008-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 15:29 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:32 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:32 -!- cp15 [urdffl@p57B1CBB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 15:32 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 15:32 <@cp15> Good evening 15:35 < Number6> He lives! 15:35 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:44 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 15:48 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:58 < zoff99> cp15: wow? hes alive ... 15:59 < zoff99> cp15: ping 15:59 <@cp15> zoff99, pong 16:00 < zoff99> cp15: priv 16:03 < zoff99> cp15: schon wieder weg? 16:03 <@cp15> Ne, aber du bist anscheinend kein registrierter user und kannst keine priv-Messages schreiben 16:04 < zoff99> hm? 16:04 < zoff99> doch 16:05 -!- sera_ [~sera@231-62.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 16:08 -!- sera [~sera@250-220.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:13 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:14 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 16:15 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 16:15 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:22 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:35 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 16:39 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 16:42 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44 -!- OwenLA7QZ [~OwenLA7QZ@server.nowhere-else.org] has joined #navit 16:44 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 16:46 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225074158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 17:03 -!- zoff99_ [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 17:03 -!- zoff99_ [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Client Quit] 17:05 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110037.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.53] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:14 -!- nick_ [51ffb2f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.255.178.243] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18 -!- brim4brim [~maherb@89.126.6.186] has joined #navit 17:24 < brim4brim> Hi, I was talking to the creator of Irish post code system called Loc8. It is a privately owned company that uses lat/long co-ordinates with algorithm to generate the post code. It is becoming more and more popular in Ireland as we have no official postcodes (I know :P). Anyway I mentioned I was using Navit to him on boards.ie and was talking to him about licensing costs for sat nav and what implications it might have for software like Navit. 17:24 < brim4brim> He said that they are developing an android app called Point8 (available for iPhone already I think) and he said that he could integrate with Navit for free. He said all he needed was for a developer to get in contact with him to provide Navit's Lat/Long entry/exchange format and he would take care of the rest. So I was wondering would you guys be interested in doing this? 17:24 < brim4brim> Here is a link to the post the forum: 17:24 < brim4brim> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72880120&postcount=514 17:27 < Number6> Hi from Dublin, brim4brim 17:28 < brim4brim> Hi 17:30 < Number6> I've been thinking about Loc8 for some time myself 17:32 <@cp15> It is calculated from lat/lon? So it might mean that two neighbouring houses might have a different postal code? 17:32 < brim4brim> Yes 17:34 <@cp15> Interesting. Well, navit doesn't handle postal codes itself, it relies on having the information in the map, so maybe a cooperation with openstreetmap would make more sense 17:35 < brim4brim> ah ok, well I think what they are doing at the moment with their own app is having users enter the Loc8 code then it works out the lat/long and sends it to the default satnav app on the device 17:36 < brim4brim> If that makes sense 17:36 <@cp15> Ah, so this Loc8 code describes an area so small it can be used as destination? 17:36 < brim4brim> yes 17:36 < brim4brim> it can pin point houses and with less digits can describe an area for other purposes 17:36 < brim4brim> if less precision is required 17:36 <@cp15> Is the algorithm documented somewhere? 17:37 < brim4brim> its private 17:37 < brim4brim> its part owned by garmin I think 17:37 < woglinde> he cp15 17:37 < brim4brim> well I know garmin are involved 17:37 < brim4brim> garmin devices already support it 17:37 < woglinde> cp15 is it possible to give pini rw access 17:37 < woglinde> his patches looks very good to me 17:37 <@cp15> What does he want to do? 17:38 < woglinde> he is the debian/ubuntu maintainer 17:38 < woglinde> if you remember 17:38 <@cp15> Memory is getting worse... 17:38 < woglinde> so he had fixes for cmake 17:38 < woglinde> and some other stuff 17:39 < brim4brim> here is the link to Loc8's website. *tries not to get in way of code conversation* :P http://www.myloc8ion.com/ 17:40 <@cp15> Oh wow, a storm is coming 17:40 < woglinde> yes 17:41 < woglinde> storm over germany 17:41 -!- apmon [~apm@ucb-np2-139.colorado.edu] has left #navit [] 17:43 <@cp15> Wow, even a tornado could be possible 17:47 -!- cp15 [urdffl@p57B1CBB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47 < Number6> I think he got blown away 17:47 -!- cp15 [alqhsc@p57B1CBB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 17:48 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 17:48 < Number6> gtg, but I'll be back after my train home. 17:48 <@cp15> Damn, I hate lightning storms 17:49 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 17:54 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-008-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 18:19 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@231.109.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 18:41 < brim4brim> so any thoughts on navit supporting lat/long from other apps or if it does already, getting the way to do it to Loc8 to support Irish post codes? Or steering me in the direction to get the info if I'd be able to do it myself? 18:41 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-008-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 18:43 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.253.84] has joined #navit 18:44 < korrosa> brim4brim: Hiya pal, saw the convo in the logs. 18:44 < korrosa> I'm from the UK, and have been able to use the UK's CodePoint Open data to get postcode search for Navit. 18:44 < brim4brim> cool 18:45 < korrosa> It's actually a bit of a cheat - I use dbus bindings with Navit from a script, and that script searches a plain text file with ALL the UK postcodes and their lat/lon. 18:45 < korrosa> I've tried to document here: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Korrosa#UK_Postcode_search_with_Navit 18:45 < brim4brim> ah ok 18:45 < korrosa> Not really what you're after, but perhaps something to think about. 18:46 < brim4brim> Yeah I'll have a look, cheers :D 18:46 < korrosa> cp15: All UK postcodes are available as open source, so if you integrate the IE ones, please integrate the UK ones too!! 18:47 < korrosa> Though I think they are better used from OSM data, rather than a separate source... 18:48 < brim4brim> I think loc8 on Android which is their Point8 app, works the same way your doing it 18:48 < brim4brim> if you look up Point8 18:48 < brim4brim> Irish post code thing doesn't have a database at all 18:49 < brim4brim> Its just maths on the lat/longs so I don't think we will see natively supported in navit so I'm just looking for the hook part your using I think. Could be exactly what I'm looking for :) 18:50 < brim4brim> Irish one also isn't officialy approved yet, it is just a company doing it on their own as the government have no money and are too disorganised to get it done after like 5 years of looking at implementing post codes :P 18:51 < curious> korrosa, oh, u r here :) ad the 'wireframe scroll' problem - layout is not issue, problem is - how to activate this layout automatically when map is scrolled? point is, it should be activated only during scrolling, and right after scrolling is finished screen should be redrawn with normal layout 18:51 < korrosa> Well, the hook is dbus: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Dbus. I'm astounded that Ireland doesn't have postcodes!! 18:51 < woglinde> no postalcodes? 18:51 < woglinde> wtf 18:52 < brim4brim> So is every website with a postcode field :P 18:52 < brim4brim> * (mandatory) 18:52 < brim4brim> argh :( 18:52 < korrosa> curious: Oh, I see - a degraded mode during scrolling. Can't help there! 18:52 < brim4brim> My mates and I all use 90210 when it asks for postcodes :P 18:53 < woglinde> lol 18:53 < woglinde> you watch to much tv 18:53 < brim4brim> ;D 18:53 < brim4brim> housemate got rang once by an online poker site telling him his post code couldn't be 90210 and he had a 10 minute conversation trying to explain why he had to enter it :P 18:56 < brim4brim> that dbus link is excellent :D 18:56 < brim4brim> thanks 18:57 < brim4brim> I'll contact them and see if it gives enough info 18:57 < brim4brim> seems like it should do the trick though 19:09 <@cp15> brim4brim, for android intents are probably the best mean. I think navit supports that already, if you emit an intent with geo coordinates, android should offer to navigate there with navit 19:11 < Number6> Back. No, Ireland doesn't have postcodes (Outside of Dublin, and even then it's Dublin 1, Dublin 2...) 19:12 < Number6> What you're after is a dbus to navit. The Loc8 ap will convert the Loc8 Code into a Navit format 19:12 -!- Statler [~georg@62.206.124.230] has joined #navit 19:13 < korrosa> Number6: With dbus' set_position you only need the lat/lon, so no need for the app to convert to anything else! 19:13 < Number6> korrosa: Even better! 19:14 < Number6> The only two options you;d need are "Set as destination" and "Show on map" 19:14 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Dbus#Set_Position.2FDestination AND http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Dbus#Set_map-view_centre 19:15 < brim4brim> yeah I messaged him the wiki links and asked him to let me know if he needs anything else. I was an early supporter of Loc8 before it was Loc8 on the forum and he has messaged me on my profile on the forum I got in contact with him before so hopefully it gets integrated :) 19:15 < brim4brim> he said he would anyway :P 19:15 < brim4brim> but you know companies and saying things 19:16 < korrosa> cp15: Any chance you could fix the wiki and trac login problem which we've all been complaining about recently? KaZeR seems to be dragging his heels... ;) 19:19 <@cp15> Wiki should work again 19:21 <@cp15> About trac: It runs on KaZeRs machine where I don't have any access 19:21 <@cp15> I am also thinking of moving from trac to mantis. Any opinions on that? 19:22 -!- brim4brim [~maherb@89.126.6.186] has left #navit [] 19:26 < Number6> Trac is mainly for project management, at least that's what I've always used it for 19:27 < woglinde> why mantis? 19:28 < Number6> I think we should keep it for project management, and migrate bug reports off to mantis 19:28 < woglinde> I would like redmine more 19:28 < woglinde> it has working patch reviewing plugins 19:28 < woglinde> I heard 19:29 <@cp15> It is written with Ruby on Rails... 19:29 < Number6> Jesus no 19:30 < korrosa> cp15: I don't have any opinions on the software, but we certainly need something which multiple people have access to so that we don't get the situation we've been having this past week when both KaZeR and yourself where too busy. 19:31 < Number6> RoR is a nightmare to admin. All the interdependencies and changes each release means we'll be fixing stuff constantly 19:31 <@cp15> At least Horwitz has also root access to the navit server 19:31 <@cp15> If anyone volunteers as administrator and is a trustable person I can give him root access also 19:32 < Number6> I volunteer, but I'm not trustworthy 19:32 <@cp15> :-) And you have already an account 19:32 < korrosa> I volunteer woglinde's 19:32 < Number6> But I'm not trustworthy :-P 19:33 < korrosa> So does Horwitz have access to trac also, or only the Navit server? 19:34 < woglinde> Number6 I like ror 19:34 <@cp15> To trac only KaZeR has access... And maybe singesang 19:34 < woglinde> I can maintain it 19:34 < woglinde> even the craziest stuff 19:40 <@cp15> I would prefer php (we need it anyway for the wiki), thats why I would opt for mantis 19:41 <@cp15> Unfortunately trac (intentionally) doesn't offer a way to export the bugs 19:42 < korrosa> cp15: What bugs?... :) 19:42 < woglinde> no please not php 19:43 < korrosa> "even the craziest stuff" 19:43 < woglinde> I said ror 19:43 < woglinde> not php 19:43 <@cp15> We need php anyway for the wiki 19:43 < woglinde> php is not crazy its bullshit 19:44 < woglinde> .o(time to migrate it too) 19:44 < woglinde> to ror wiki 19:44 < korrosa> Alright, you're out then. I now vote for Number6. 19:44 < woglinde> pfffffffffffffffffff 19:44 < Number6> Everything's coming up Milhouse 19:46 < korrosa> Luck of the.... 19:47 < korrosa> Also, dandor and tryagain seem very competent. 19:47 < korrosa> dandor is after all my most favourite dev... 19:47 < woglinde> pffffff 19:48 < woglinde> I dont like you anymore 19:48 < woglinde> ;) 19:49 < Number6> What about tryagain? He's pretty badass with the POI search 19:49 < korrosa> THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID!!! 19:49 < korrosa> Feckin goon. 19:49 < Number6> I mena as favorite, mong 19:49 < Number6> *mean 19:49 < korrosa> Ha, mong!! 19:50 < korrosa> Yeah, I guess he is, but dandor's kid sometimes comes on here and does the whole shakespeare-typwriter thing and it makes me go "dwaaaah". 19:54 < Number6> Ah yeah, that's gas 20:49 -!- OwenLA7QZ [~OwenLA7QZ@server.nowhere-else.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51 -!- OwenLA7QZ [~OwenLA7QZ@server.nowhere-else.org] has joined #navit 20:58 -!- noradtux_wirc [~wircer@f054123032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 21:02 < curious> hmm, how to change 'locale' on winCE? 21:02 < Number6> It's done in the OS, under Start >> Settings >> Control Panel >> Keyboard 21:02 < Number6> I think 21:02 < Number6> I gave my WinCE GPS to a friend 21:04 < korrosa> curious: Saw your posts from earlier this morning. 21:04 < korrosa> I won't go into the wifi hotspot debate - it's all just personal opinion. 21:05 < korrosa> If you want to get wifi hotspots to appear, and don't want to use any other source of data, and you're comfortable compiling your own code and generating your own maps, you can. 21:07 < korrosa> Change osm.c and add "n internet_access=wlan poi_wifi" 21:08 < Number6> Or use a CSV file, which is probably easier than creating your own binfile 21:09 < Number6> I do that with the speedcamera data 21:10 < korrosa> Number6: True, and that's what I'd do. curious just wants the wifi data from OSM to appear. 21:11 < korrosa> internet_access=wlan appears 2,243 times worldwide. 1,662 of those are nodes. 21:11 < Number6> Ahh, in that case you'll need to modify the osm.c 21:12 < korrosa> The argument is that Navit shows benches (apparently 'unimportant'), so why not wifi hotspots (as there is a poi_wifi defined already anyway!). 21:13 < korrosa> Note that there are 157,035 benches in planet.osm. 21:13 < Number6> Hmm, no one must have tagged benches in my areas 21:16 < curious> korrosa, thx. personally i think such change is fine for everyone , esp. such tag exists and navit has poi_wifi anyway 21:17 < curious> i am not skilled enough yet to cross-compile :( 21:17 < korrosa> It doesn't harm anything, that's for sure! 21:17 < korrosa> As for speech announcement configuration - this can't be done just in Navit.xml. You'd have to change the source. 21:18 < korrosa> You CAN change OSD layout on the fly. See http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD#osd_configuration and the example layouts at http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts 21:19 < korrosa> And lastly - not sure if you can change vehicle profile on the fly using an OSD button. 21:19 < curious> yeah, thx :) found the wiki entries about osd , my OSD setup looks more and more nice 21:20 < korrosa> curious: Once you've polished it off, do upload to the wiki! 21:20 < curious> yeah, i quite plan to share my configs 21:21 < curious> hmm, 'config' tag seems to have 'language' tag 21:21 < curious> let's try :) 21:22 < curious> also found out how to make espeak louder, it just has -a option 21:22 <@cp15> language="de_DE" should work 21:22 < curious> it says 100-200 , but one can easily type even 800 there, it will distort some phonemes like someone talking over cb-radio, but in case someone has lousy and quiet speaker this still produces understandable output 21:23 < korrosa> curious: I have it set at 200. 21:31 -!- OwenLA7QZ [~OwenLA7QZ@server.nowhere-else.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 21:54 < curious> hmm, any hints at vehicle profile config? how to compromise inbetween lenght of route and speed? 21:55 < curious> i.e. to favour shorter but slower routes vs faster but longer? 21:55 < curious> just make speed differences inbetween roads more flat 21:56 <@cp15> There is a speed and route_weight setting 21:56 <@cp15> route_weight is always the same as speed for the fastest route 21:56 <@cp15> if you set all route_weight to the same value, you will get the shortest route (within some limits....) 21:57 -!- xbyte [52d58c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.213.140.4] has joined #navit 21:57 < korrosa> cp15: speed setting? The speed attribute isn't factored into routing is it? Only route_weight, right? 21:58 < xbyte> Hi, I have some troubles using navit with a Bluetooth GPS, Conceptronic CBTGPS32. It says navit:failed_to_get_position_data 1 1 1 0. I'm using build 4535, and other software works. Could you help me? 21:59 < curious> hmm, so currently speed param is just defunct? and one should type speed into route weight if wanting to factor basing on speed? 22:00 < korrosa> curious: Correct. 22:01 <@cp15> korrosa, right, the speed setting is only used for calculating ETA 22:01 < curious> thx. it clarifies why my settings produced so weird results ;) 22:03 < curious> and what are those options like 'maxspeed_handling' , route_mode, 'static_speed' etc ? 22:03 < korrosa> curious: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options#Full_options 22:03 < curious> ah 22:03 < curious> thx 22:04 < korrosa> No prob! Should keep you busy for a while! 22:05 < curious> hmm, maxspeed comes from OSM data i assume? 22:08 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 22:10 < korrosa> xbyte: What device and OS are you using? 22:10 < xbyte> OS is Ubuntu natty. What do you mean with device? 22:10 < korrosa> Like a computer, netbook, laptop, cellphone, tablet etc... 22:11 < xbyte> Netbook 22:11 < korrosa> Cool. Me too! How did you connect to the bluetooth device? rfcomm connect ? 22:11 < xbyte> rfcomm 22:11 < curious> ah, maxspeed can be set to default if missing. ok, now i quite know everything i need 22:12 < korrosa> Have you started gpsd, and does it recognise that the bluetooth device is connected (verify using cgps)? 22:12 < xbyte> I do not use gpsd, I have in the navit.xml "file://dev/rfcomm0". I verify that the GPS is connected via cat /dev/rfcomm0 22:13 < korrosa> Can you paste some lines of cat /dev/rfcomm0 to pastebin.com please, then post the url here? 22:14 < curious> btw. if router will encounter short road of low weight type , and will have concurring , 2x longer road of higher weight type, which one will be choosen? 22:14 < xbyte> Turning on gps... 22:14 < woglinde> xbyte better use gpsd 22:14 < xbyte> I don't know how to configure it 22:14 < curious> i.e. are 'route weight' scaled in some kind of km/h or other 'units' 22:14 < xbyte> on ubuntu... 22:14 < woglinde> ? 22:14 < xbyte> on mandriva I found how 22:15 < korrosa> sudo apt-get install gpsd 22:15 < woglinde> its the same on ubuntu too 22:15 < korrosa> then: gpsd -N -D 2 /dev/rfcomm0 22:15 < korrosa> (The -N and -D makes sure gpsd stays showing in the terminal) 22:15 <@cp15> xbyte, I think I have found the error 22:15 < xbyte> what is the error, gpsd? 22:16 < xbyte> here is the cat rfcomm0 output : http://pastebin.com/YJWNaSzZ 22:16 < xbyte> it is only part of it 22:16 < xbyte> i interrupted it 22:17 < korrosa> Hmm, that is NMEA from first glance - interesting to see what cp15 thinks the error is... 22:17 < xbyte> Let's wait to see it... 22:19 < xbyte> korrosa : gpsd doesn't works, it says that Adress is already in use 22:19 < woglinde> xbyte so you already have a gpsd running 22:19 < woglinde> check with ps auxw 22:19 < korrosa> Is anything else using /dev/rfcomm0 ? 22:20 < xbyte> no 22:22 <@cp15> The gps says the fix isn't valid 22:22 < xbyte> cp15 : What's the error? 22:22 < woglinde> *g* 22:23 <@cp15> Well, not the error I assumed... From the debug output I assumed the time isn't set correctly 22:23 < xbyte> I'm in spain 22:23 < xbyte> 23:18 CET 22:24 <@cp15> $GPRMC,000050.800,V,4227.8898,N,00227.5030,W,0.00,0.00,060180,,,N*65 22:24 < woglinde> xbyte edit /etc/default/gpsd 22:24 < woglinde> to prevent it from starting automagicly 22:25 <@cp15> Coordinates look nice, but 000050.800 isn't the current time, 'V' stands for void, and 060180 isn't the current date 22:25 < woglinde> in this file you can set the gps device file too 22:25 < woglinde> and try service gpsd stop 22:25 < woglinde> to stop gpsd 22:26 < xbyte> i know what commands to use 22:26 < xbyte> config of gpsd reloaded and daemon started 22:26 < woglinde> try cgps 22:26 < woglinde> to check human readable status 22:28 < xbyte> cgps output : http://pastebin.com/gsq9hbeH 22:28 < drlizau> with my recent debian install I have had to stop and restart gpsd after each reboot 22:28 < woglinde> ? 22:28 < drlizau> something about gpsd on startup fails 22:28 < woglinde> cgps output isnt normaly that pasteable 22:29 < xbyte> It's what I get 22:29 < drlizau> so i go "sudo killall gpsd && sudo gpsd -n /dev/ttyACM0 && navit" 22:29 < woglinde> bps":115200 is really this high? 22:29 < drlizau> (that is the correct address for that device) 22:30 < drlizau> i'm too lazy to track the actual gpsd error 22:30 < xbyte> the correct address for that defice is /dev/rfcomm0 22:30 < woglinde> drlizau depends on your gpsd device 22:30 < drlizau> i have several ;) 22:30 < drlizau> so I could be on rfcommo USB0 or ACM0 22:31 < drlizau> time to go to work 22:31 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 < woglinde> hm time to go to sleep 22:32 < xbyte> The GPS is failing, right? 22:32 < korrosa> xbyte: cgps confirms what cp15 said: there is no valid fix. 22:32 < korrosa> You said other programs worked fine with it - which ones? 22:32 < xbyte> The gps is failing, right? 22:32 < xbyte> Formerly, GPSDrive 22:33 < curious> hmm, ad fast scrolling mode, perhaps there could be some timer, when user tries to scroll, and drawing takes so much it overflows counter, some drawing items could be just dropped , basing on how much the timer did overflow 22:33 < curious> this would allow to set simple 'threshold of importance' on items 22:33 <@cp15> xbyte, do you have a clear sky view or are you indoors? 22:33 < xbyte> indoors 22:34 < xbyte> I can move to the living room, where the GPS has signal 22:35 < xbyte> I'm connected to the IRC with another PC 22:38 < xbyte> There is no fix for the gps, right? 22:39 < woglinde> right 22:39 < woglinde> and it dont sees any sattelites 22:39 < xbyte> [censored] 22:39 < xbyte> It was 100€ 22:39 < woglinde> and? 22:39 < xbyte> ARRRGH... 22:40 < woglinde> indoors the most gpsd device arent that good 22:40 < xbyte> Time to spend money in another... 22:41 < xbyte> I will reconnect soon, on the netbook. 22:42 -!- xbyte [52d58c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.213.140.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:42 -!- xbyte [52d58c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.213.140.4] has joined #navit 22:42 < korrosa> xbyte: My bluetooth gps device doesn't work indoors - I place it just outside the window if I want to test something indoors. 22:43 < xbyte> going to the living room 22:44 < xbyte> here i am 22:47 < xbyte> no signal 22:47 < korrosa> Indoors or outdoors? 22:47 < xbyte> outdoors 22:47 < curious> hmm. setting route weights equal does not choose shortest path 22:48 < curious> xbyte, it takes 15 minutes to get fix 22:49 < xbyte> i have clear sky view from outdoors... or clear night view 22:49 < curious> sky data is transmitted once 15 minutes 22:49 < korrosa> curious: Is that true? Link? 22:49 < curious> once you will get sky data, cgps will show you position of sattelites 22:50 < woglinde> korrosa cold start can take up to 30 min 22:50 < xbyte> leaving it for tomorrow, and staying onlone 22:50 < xbyte> woglinde : cold start, on my town takes up to 15 min 22:52 < korrosa> Wow, I know it takes a while to update the sky data (or whatever it's called), but it's certainly no taken me any longer than a few minutes! 22:52 < korrosa> What defines a "cold start"? 22:52 < woglinde> good nite 22:53 < woglinde> battery off 22:53 < woglinde> for some devices 22:53 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225074158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 22:53 < xbyte> a cold start is when you power on your gps from a recent discharge of the battery 22:53 < korrosa> Ah, so loss of ROM. 22:53 < curious> korrosa, hmm, wiki says each message is composed of 30 second frames, each sattellite broadcasts withing cdma frame, so given one can recieve just 1-3 sattellites with decent snr, worst case almanac retransmission goes ~n of sats * 30 secs 22:54 < curious> bit less than 15 minutes indeed 22:54 < korrosa> Good maths! 22:55 < curious> cold start is situation when reciever has no almanac (outdated/lost it because of power cycling/reset) 22:55 < korrosa> Almanac - that's it! I used to know all this stuff, but never had to remember it so am very rusty! 22:56 < korrosa> Anyway, that's enough learning for me! Good night! 22:56 < curious> gn :) 22:59 -!- xbyte [52d58c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.213.140.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:59 -!- xbyte [~davide@82.213.140.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #navit 23:00 < xbyte> testing IRC with empathy... 23:00 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.253.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:08 -!- xbyte [~davide@82.213.140.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: xbyte] 23:09 -!- xbyte [~davide@82.213.140.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #navit 23:13 < xbyte> stupid nickserv... 23:16 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@231.109.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36 < curious> damn. no way to make it choose shortest route :S 23:36 < Number6> Yes there is, have all the road routings the same 23:36 < curious> it leads me via some trunk roads making extra 20 kilometers 23:36 < Number6> in navit.xml 23:36 -!- xbyte [~davide@82.213.140.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36 -!- xbyte [~davide@82.213.140.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #navit 23:36 < curious> well, i'm trying exactly that, no avail 23:37 < Number6> Hmm, what revision are you using, and where'd you get the map from? 23:37 < curious> also when trying to make cycle-sane profile, i think it chooses ways in order of 'occurence' 23:37 < Number6> I recently committed a change to maptool that will bring in another street type 23:37 < curious> i'm using osd, and it chooses quite short way if i choose 'pedestrian' so way is there 23:38 < curious> i'm using latest svn 23:38 < curious> i am setting equal route weights @ "30" 23:38 < curious> when doing my test case 'shortest way' profile 23:39 < Number6> Hmm, odd. Self compiled maps? 23:39 < curious> from planet extractor 23:40 < curious> yes, quite odd 23:40 < Number6> Can you try getting your own area from geofabrik, and making a map yourself 23:40 < Number6> The change I made hasn't been pushed out to the map servers yet :) 23:40 < curious> generally when setting cycle profile it hardly wants to choose cycleways, even if i set route weight of 80 for those 23:41 < curious> i doubt it will make any difference... roads are quite simple and are straightforward, it's just 60km route 23:41 < curious> also 'pedestrian' profile chooses quite reasonable ways 23:42 < Number6> Strange. 23:42 < curious> but all my custom 'bike' and 'shortest' profiles are choosing some strange ways 23:42 < Number6> I'll take a look tomorrow, bed time for me! 23:44 < curious> hmm, what's difference inbetween street_4 city and street_4 land? 23:45 < curious> bah, bike profile is messed up.. seems those are just main roads 23:57 < curious> btw. is there any way to disable navit.log? writing to slow sd card is killer --- Log closed Thu Jun 23 00:00:37 2011