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01:08 < CIA-69> rikky * r4589 /trunk/navit/navit/android/src/org/navitproject/navit/NavitMapDownloader.java: Fix:android:Use the new redirect URLs to ensure we resume map download with the right map.
01:09 < CIA-69> rikky * r4590 /trunk/navit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix:build/cmake:Test for -snone support of saxon, to support more saxon variants
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07:27 < tparcina> cp15: Who has decaided that 4281 version (that is curently on Android Google Market) is stable and should be there?
07:31 <@cp15> zoff99
07:34 <@cp15> Can you do some testing on the current version?
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07:37 < Number6> Morning
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07:43 < Number6> /o/
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09:21 < korrosa> Hey all!
09:21 < korrosa> cp15: You mentioned previously that we need an icon designer - is there any reason you see that we _shouldn't_ use map icons from http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/contactsheet ?
09:23 < korrosa> (For an idea of how it might look: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Layout/mapnik)
09:25 < Number6> Those are nice icons
09:26 <@cp15> woglinde wanted to work on that, I have seen there are even some patches for this in trac
09:29 < korrosa> cp15: Yup, there are. OK, so I wasn't sure what your stance on it was - this is something that I could easily work on, releaving woglinde to go and do more difficult stuff...!!
09:30 <@cp15> Well, there is one catch here...
09:31 <@cp15> The icons from there are all monochrome, which makes them quite dull. I have seen in the trac a shell script which sets the colors, but we could also use cmake based approach to make windows users happy
09:32 < korrosa> Perhaps I don't know what monochrome means - I see colours on those icons at http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/contactsheet!
09:33 < korrosa> Ah, whoops, the svg ones are monochrome.
09:35 < korrosa> Hm.
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09:42 <@cp15> What would you say? Make them all in the same colors or differentiate their colors depending on their purpose?
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09:59 < korrosa> cp15: I would use the colours which Mapnik uses, so yeah, differentiate depending upon their category.
10:00 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4591 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Add:Build:Possibility to add include directories
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10:46 < tryagain> cp15 long pong
11:11 < korrosa> tryagain: Once cp15 is happy to run maptool without the -2 switch, is that the development over for the patch? Or is there more to come?
12:11 <@cp15> tryagain, your patch has a side effect... For buildings for which a POI will be created, the building outlines disappear
12:12 <@cp15> This is because building=* has a lower priority than tourism=hotel (because of the star)
12:26 < tryagain> cp15 got it. Have no idea yet but will think. Lowering priority of lines starting with '?' is one way, but it seems to me to be not so perfect... Any suggestions?
12:29 <@cp15> Yes, create a third table and put there points with "?" as well as to the node table. Then for ways you can do two lookups, one for the way table and a second for the thired table. If the third table produces something != point_unkn you can add it
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12:43 < tryagain> Will try that way.
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13:36 < korrosa> tryagain: (I'm not at my netbook at the moment, so can't test, hence my question) do these improvements also use the house numbers on interpolated ways within OSM?
13:37 < korrosa> i.e: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/119067883
14:02 < Number6> ffs. My maptool times are all over the shop
14:26 < korrosa> Number6: It now takes me 30 mins to process the GB map on my netbook, up from about 15 mins a few months back. I guess some of this is changes in maptool (viz. pois on areas), and some is additional data in the GB OSM extract.
14:26 < korrosa> Just thought I'd share...
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14:44 < Number6> Mine is all from the same planet.osm.bz2, with the server doing nothing else :-)
14:44 < Number6> First run was 783mins, second was 1030mins
14:50 < korrosa> Must have taken a lunch break.
15:04 <@cp15> Number6, with the same maptool?
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15:18 < tryagain> korrosa housenumber search is now done (hm, i'd say it's rather broken) on the device. My patch is doing nothing with it, but I had thoughts to move it to maptool.
15:18 < tryagain> But before that I have to fix side effect and figure out what's on with map size.
15:18 <@cp15> what is with map size?
15:19 < tryagain> ups
15:19 < tryagain> calculation time
15:22 < tryagain> Does that calculation time change really can be reproduced with the same set of OSM data? I feel my changes shouldn't have that dramatic (mis)perfomance effect.
15:26 <@cp15> tryagain, I think that also
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15:41 < tryagain> korrosa Next I fix above bugs I plan to move icons/housenumbers towards region border for objects like http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/102799886
15:54 < OwenLA7QZ> Hello guys. Back from my trip to Virginia with some experience of using Navit (in Ubuntu 11.04)
15:59 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Well, the fact you got home is promising!
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16:43 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Sorry, was away from the computer for a while.
16:45 < OwenLA7QZ> We ended up printing Google Maps directions for the trip as we were not too sure we could trust Navit. Google maps ended up being a mistake as it took us through West Virginia on narrow roads adding many hours to the trip. The route suggested by Navit would probably have been better.
16:45 < OwenLA7QZ> On the way back we used printed directions from Yahoo maps which avoided West Virginia altogether and was a much faster trip.
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16:46 < OwenLA7QZ> I found that Navit works well if you stick like glue to it's suggested route.
16:47 < OwenLA7QZ> If you deviate from the suggested route it gets stuck or crashes and takes so long to recalculate that it is useless. Also, sometimes on long stretches I would put the computer away and when I opened it again, Navit had closed.
16:49 < OwenLA7QZ> On the way back, I was driving for the first 7-8 hours. When it was Donna's turn to drive, I turned on the computer and started Navit. Everything was fine until we got close to Detroit and Donna started to deviate from Navit's route. (It's her home town) Then Navit started getting stuck and / or crashing again.
16:50 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: I presume this was on a netbook? And what version of Navit are you running (where did you get it from)?
16:50 < OwenLA7QZ> It's the repo version (Ubuntu 11.04)
16:50 < OwenLA7QZ> On an Eee 900
16:51 < OwenLA7QZ> Running Ubuntu in classic mode as I don't like Unity
16:53 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Dogs need to go out. I'll be back in 5-10 minutes.
16:55 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Ah, the repo version is very old at revision 3501. We're currently at revision 4591, so if you install that you'll probably get way less crashes!
16:55 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Download_Navit#SVN
16:55 < korrosa> Even latouche's debs might be more up-to-date: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Download_Navit#Ubuntu
16:56 < korrosa> (The Maverick ones in there are up to 4151...)
16:56 < korrosa> http://navit.latouche.info/ubuntu/maverick/
16:58 < korrosa> I run the latest svn version on an Acer One, Ubuntu 10.04, and I don't get random crashes, or crashes when trying to route. Longest route I've done so far in one go has been ~250miles - I went off route a few times, but recalculation took max 10 seconds.
17:00 < korrosa> With your version, though, I would expect crashes. Robustness has definitely improved in the past year.
17:01 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Thanks for that. Wasn't aware that there were newer debs out there. Before we left I got the impression that the only alternative to the repo version was to compile it myself and I didn't have time to mess with that then.
17:02 < OwenLA7QZ> I'll look into it later. Got to go vacuum the rented minivan now so they don't stick us with a $50 charge for the dog hairs...
17:02 < korrosa> Cool, laters!!
17:03 < OwenLA7QZ> So, just to clarify, will the Mavierick debs run in Natty?
17:03 < OwenLA7QZ> Got to go crank up the vacuum. See you later.
17:05 < korrosa> No idea. I do recommend you compile from source though. It's very easy, and I'll be more than happy to step you through it later. Gotta go play some football first though (soccer to you guys!). Till later...
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18:39 < Number6> Evening
18:39 <@cp15> Good Evening
18:43 < Number6> Protip, when adding IPtables rules, be sure to allow pre-existing connections
18:49 <@cp15> Or start a flush for all iptables with a sleep
18:49 <@cp15> If you are still connected, you can terminate the flush
18:51 < Number6> True. I've gotten into the habbit of doing evyerthing networking related in a screen, with an && echo "Blah" && sleep 5
18:52 < Number6> If you see the Blah, you're fine. If not, add in an argument that reserves what you've done!
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19:32 < korrosa> Evening.
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20:48  * kenguest stretches
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21:18 < Number6> Kenneth, fancy having Clancy as a mapserver? :-)
21:19 <@cp15> Huh? What?
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21:24 < korrosa> Just saw a ginger Irish dude on The Apprentice. Number6, you been to Canary Wharf recently?
21:24 < Number6> cp15: Clancy is the name of kenguest's machine at my old employer
21:25 < Number6> korrosa: Did he have a beard, and dashing good looks?
21:26 < korrosa> Affirmative on the beard.
21:27 < Number6> pics or gtfo
21:28 < korrosa> Well, it's live on TV right now, so tomorrow I'll get a screenshot from the iPlayer. You'd better be prepared...
21:32 < Number6> ITV?
21:33 < Number6> Ah, no. BBC1
21:34 < korrosa> Good old Aunty.
21:36 < Number6> I see no ginge, you lie
21:36 < woglinde> heho
21:37 < woglinde> cp15 I tested gtk_gui
21:37 < woglinde> its okay
21:37 < woglinde> no memory leak for the debug stuff
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21:42 < korrosa> Number6: He was literally on for 5 seconds, buying a portable mobile phone charger.
21:43 < korrosa> I'll get that bitch of a screendump tomorrow, and then you'll have to gtfo... :)
21:45 < Number6> \o/
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22:06 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4592 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:Build:Typo
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