--- Log opened Thu Jul 07 00:00:35 2011 00:34 -!- rigel [~saxonberg@c-68-81-172-232.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #navit 00:35 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:39 < rigel> hi 00:59 -!- sera_ [~sera@197-34.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 01:02 -!- sera [~sera@62-8.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11 -!- cp15 [enopqq@p57B1CAAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:21 -!- cp15 [ohmrdp@p57B1CAAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 01:22 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 01:29 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 02:30 -!- GreyRogue [cfb35e23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.179.94.35] has joined #navit 02:33 -!- GreyRogue [cfb35e23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.179.94.35] has left #navit [] 02:38 -!- rigel [~saxonberg@c-68-81-172-232.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:00 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@f054120170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03 -!- noradtux [~quassel@g224050238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:29 -!- cp15` [hdrzhj@p57B1C99A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:29 -!- cp15 [ohmrdp@p57B1CAAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:29 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:30 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 04:21 -!- rigel [~saxonberg@c-68-81-172-232.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #navit 04:24 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:24 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 04:24 < rigel> hi 04:28 -!- niekie [~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 04:31 -!- niekie [~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #navit 04:39 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-104-180-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:52 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-178-010-032-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 05:45 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.52] has joined #navit 05:48 -!- z30 [~Z30@77.242.201.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:13 <@Horwitz> morgen 06:15 < rigel> hi 06:17 -!- billk [~billk@203-173-29-22.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #navit 06:17 < rigel> is navit tile or vector based or both 06:23 <@Horwitz> rigel: vector based 06:23 < rigel> oh, but it's written in c? 06:24 * rigel is investigating different foss navigation apps 06:24 <@Horwitz> exactly. 06:24 -!- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:24 < rigel> and it doesnt look like it runs on the htc dream running CM 06:25 < rigel> unless yall have heard something that isnt on the wiki or that i see with a google search? 06:26 <@Horwitz> did you install the latest version from here: http://download.navit-project.org/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-current.apk 06:28 <@Horwitz> the version from the market also runs on htc dream with cm-6.1 06:33 -!- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has joined #navit 06:44 -!- Earthwings [~quassel@gentoo/developer/earthwings] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:47 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has joined #navit 06:53 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:54 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 06:56 -!- Earthwings [~quassel@gentoo/developer/earthwings] has joined #navit 07:09 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 07:22 < chollya> cp15: ping? 07:35 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:36 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 07:51 <@cp15> chollya, pong 07:58 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225004099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 08:03 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:23 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:23 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 08:38 -!- billk [~billk@203-173-29-22.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:42 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:47 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 08:56 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:57 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 09:16 < Number6> Morning 09:32 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 09:42 < woglinde> hi number6 09:49 < Number6> Hi woglinde 10:22 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:33 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 10:36 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has joined #navit 10:45 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225004099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:46 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 12:07 -!- skamster_ [~quassel@77-56-73-44.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #navit 12:10 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 12:35 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4593 /trunk/navit/navit/xpm/ (zoom_in.svg zoom_out.svg): Fix:osd/core:Improved zoom in/zoom out icons. Ticket 881. Thanks alishams hassam! 12:36 < woglinde> akashi hm 12:37 < chollya> Hi woglinde 12:37 < chollya> They are really better :) Tested on myself 12:38 < woglinde> okay 12:38 < woglinde> I saw the patch too 12:44 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55 * Number6 beats kenguest around with a COBOL book 12:56 < woglinde> cobol 12:56 < woglinde> lol 12:56 < woglinde> you never swa one 12:56 < Number6> COBOL is a lovely language. Self documenting 12:57 < woglinde> you mean from trias age? 12:57 < woglinde> like this big black dinosarus looking like fridges? 12:58 < Number6> Just because it's old doesn't mean it's useless. Your mobile phone company and electricity company probably still use cobol 12:58 < Number6> That, and you can make a shit load of money editing the code because all the developers are dead 12:59 < woglinde> no mobilehpone companies using erlang 12:59 < Number6> Not in Ireland :-) 12:59 < chollya> Number6 is right, Beeline still uses it and i've worked with cobol in beeline 13:00 < woglinde> lol 13:00 < woglinde> I know what cobol is 13:01 < chollya> http://svalko.org/data/2011_07_02_18_32_i1086_photobucket_com_albums_j460_bi0tech_giftrash_stuff_4lvl_tumblr_lninm7NUBD1qbhtrto1_400.gif 13:01 < chollya> can't stand to post it here :) 13:02 < drlizau> cobol might be old but people like me still remember when Fortran and punch cards were programming ;) 13:24 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 13:31 -!- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:39 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:39 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 13:41 -!- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has joined #navit 13:53 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 13:54 -!- korrosa [c30285b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.133.182] has joined #navit 13:55 < korrosa> cp15: We've had a lot of users signing on to the wiki in the past to days, but not contributing (two bits of spam also). Can you check the logs please? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Special:RecentChanges 13:55 < korrosa> signing on = registering. 14:01 <@cp15> They don't look like navit fans 14:01 <@cp15> Any idea how to protect our wiki better? 14:10 < chollya> -o (--coverage) : map every street to item coverage 14:10 < chollya> what does this option actually do? 14:12 <@cp15> It will convert every street to street_converage, resulting in a big fat black line 14:12 < chollya> ;-) 14:13 <@cp15> You can overlay this map with another vector map or image map, and every street you will still see is missing in the -o map 14:13 < chollya> I'll insert this description into the man page 14:16 < korrosa> cp15: I think it it's pretty well locked down, to be honest - we're only ever going to be playing catchup. At the moment, the numbers are very manageable and they're easy to block. Once we start getting 100 per day then I'll start complaining loudly! 14:17 < korrosa> When I say "well locked down", I mean I think there's a good balance between security and useability. 14:17 < Mineque> cp15: invitation registration only :P 14:17 < Mineque> like G+ 14:17 < Mineque> :D 14:19 < korrosa> NEVAAAAR 14:21 < chollya> cp15: ping? 14:22 <@cp15> pong 14:23 < chollya> cp15: And what about this patches? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/877 and http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/882? I don't like the idea of adding another one directory and modifying the svg2png script, but i could just update icons in place and add copyrights 14:23 <@cp15> Why must they add the patches as .gz... 14:25 < chollya> no idea. Internally there is a lot of svg icons from sjjb (CC license), conversion script and build modifications. I believe we could only use icons, without custom directory layout etc 14:25 < woglinde> cp15 I already told them 14:25 < woglinde> not to .gz or bz2 14:25 < woglinde> chollya I think he made the patch wrong 14:26 < woglinde> but as you rad I am for the sjjb icons too 14:26 < woglinde> ups read 14:26 < chollya> Yes, but the icons are good and i could just add them manually :) 14:26 < woglinde> no 14:26 < woglinde> they are black-white 14:26 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4594 /trunk/navit/ (man/maptool.1 navit/maptool/maptool.c): Fix:tools:Maptool command-line options clean-up. Ticket #760. Thanks sleske! 14:26 < woglinde> you need some color conversion 14:29 < chollya> Well, b/w icons is a good reason to reject the patch and close ticket, isn't it? 14:29 <@cp15> There is a color conversion 14:35 < Number6> Mineque: G+ is no longer invite only 14:35 -!- rigel [~saxonberg@c-68-81-172-232.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:36 < Mineque> yeah, but you cant register anyway 14:36 < Mineque> ;] 14:36 < Mineque> and main page says it is invite only 14:36 < Mineque> at least 1h ago 14:39 * korrosa follows icon discussion with interest! 14:39 <@cp15> What is so special about G+? 14:39 < Number6> nothing 14:39 < Mineque> cp15: FB 2.0 :P 14:40 < Mineque> i'm using none 14:40 < woglinde> mineqze? 14:40 < Number6> It's like Myspace and Facebook had a child that suffered some sort of birth defect 14:40 < woglinde> there was orkut 14:40 < woglinde> and serval others before 14:40 < Mineque> woglinde: popular only in south america 14:40 < woglinde> it was popluar in de too 14:40 < chollya> cp15: automatic color conversion? It's like a programmatic story writer :D 14:40 < woglinde> around 2003 or so 14:41 < woglinde> sed 14:41 < woglinde> svg are nearly text files 14:41 < woglinde> so you sed the color 14:41 < woglinde> as rgb values 14:42 <@cp15> No, the icons are black and white, they should be transformed into white and blue or white and red or black and green and so on 14:42 < chollya> I believe that rgb values should match the icon's image and sed isn't too intellectual to understand that :) 14:43 < chollya> Well, why blue/white are better then black/white? 14:44 < woglinde> *sigh* 14:44 < woglinde> chollya did you look at the sjjb side? 14:45 < chollya> woglinde: yep. 14:46 * chollya is bore 14:46 < woglinde> okay 14:46 < woglinde> so you see the diffrent colors 14:46 < woglinde> but they svg's comes with black/white 14:46 < woglinde> so they have a Makefile 14:47 < woglinde> where sed is used to set the colors to red/blue or purple/green 14:54 < chollya> Ah, i though those scripts are only for png conversion 14:55 < woglinde> no 14:56 < chollya> well, according to sjjb license, we are allowed to convert icons once and distribute them with navit 14:57 < woglinde> sure 14:57 < woglinde> but why would we check in the png's? 14:58 < chollya> no, i meant that we could convert colors once 14:58 < woglinde> and why shouldnt we use the color conversion to provide maybee diffrent sets of colors 14:58 < woglinde> common 14:58 < woglinde> the sed isnt hard 14:59 < chollya> so we do not need themroc patches 14:59 < chollya> sed isn't hard, but selecting the right color pair is :() 14:59 <@cp15> I wouldn't make the colors fixed 15:00 < woglinde> chollya yes thats why there is the Makefile 15:00 < woglinde> which does the color conversion as you have seen on the website 15:00 < woglinde> as I said the patch is bogus in this form 15:15 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-141-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 15:26 -!- tryagain is now known as tryagain_away 15:38 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has left #navit [] 15:38 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:42 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:46 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:02 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 16:08 -!- rigel [~saxonberg@c-68-81-172-232.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #navit 17:01 < korrosa> Number6: I'm on the hunt for that ginge in The Apprentice - I will find him. 17:03 < Number6> \o/ 17:03 -!- skamster_ [~quassel@77-56-73-44.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052237217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 17:12 -!- korrosa [c30285b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.133.182] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:14 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-141-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 17:20 < BrainDamage> "currently, on the android port, when visualizing a map, the window frames that will contain eta, and speed are still visible ( and empty ) even if there's no destination set, it's pointless to display them and they distract / take away useful space to view the map ( I know they are partially transparent, but still ... )" what component should I file this under? android port or gui internal or graphics/opengl ? 17:20 < woglinde> edit your navit.xml and remove them 17:21 < woglinde> or change the size 17:21 < BrainDamage> that's a workaround, not a solution 17:21 < woglinde> thats your solution 17:21 < woglinde> others maybee like it 17:21 < woglinde> or have a bigger screen 17:21 < BrainDamage> others like empty semitransparent black boxes in the map view? 17:21 < BrainDamage> interesting 17:22 < woglinde> make screenshot please 17:22 < BrainDamage> it's on my phone 17:22 < woglinde> and? 17:22 < BrainDamage> there's no screenshot functionality 17:22 < woglinde> you tell you didnt found out there are screenshot programs 17:23 < BrainDamage> no, I didn't even search for them since there's no windowing system 17:23 < woglinde> ? 17:26 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 17:59 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-141-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 18:01 -!- korrosa [~netbook@2.96.83.40] has joined #navit 18:02 < korrosa> BrainDamage: You can automatically turn on/off selected OSD components. See http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts#Netbook_Layout_2 for example xml. 18:02 < BrainDamage> ok, change the ticket to: make that default? :p 18:03 < BrainDamage> I don't think anyone enjoys black boxes on map 18:03 < woglinde> BrainDamage again 18:03 < woglinde> you are the first one 18:03 < woglinde> no other yet complained about blackboxes 18:04 < BrainDamage> again? you didn't mention that I was first 18:04 < korrosa> It's a personal preference thing - I didn't, so changed the xml to make sure that they only showed up when routing. I think most people use Navit whilst routing, so they don't tend to have empty black boxes. 18:05 < BrainDamage> and even if so, my experience with software developing, is that most users don't bother reporting bugs 18:05 < woglinde> again its not a bug really 18:05 < woglinde> and its no bug you cannt fix yourself 18:05 < BrainDamage> I can fix myself, but I consider a bug default behaviour is like that 18:06 < BrainDamage> customizability doesn't imply you cannot ship with sane(r) defaults 18:06 < woglinde> if you look at the bugtracker there enough users filing bugs against the android 18:08 < BrainDamage> so basically you're dismissing this because I was the first to report? sorry, but I find it a tad weak argument 18:09 < woglinde> BrainDamage no the problem is, you dont understand that it is maybee a bug only at your side 18:09 < BrainDamage> ok, then explain me how to give you debug infos, but bear in mind, I cannot take screenshots 18:10 < woglinde> uhm we told your serval times 18:10 < woglinde> edit your navit.xml 18:10 < BrainDamage> ... 18:10 < BrainDamage> ok, this is going in circles 18:10 < woglinde> yes 18:10 < woglinde> sorry 18:10 < woglinde> looks like you steal our time to make something usefull 18:11 < BrainDamage> I'll stop bothering you, bye 18:11 -!- BrainDamage [BrainDamag@i.love.tiltshellz.org] has left #navit ["Leaving."] 18:11 < woglinde> korrosa I am the bad guy again? 18:12 < korrosa> Yup, you can be pretty rude. 18:12 < woglinde> sometimes I am only as stubborn as the stubborn people themself 18:15 < korrosa> You don't think he/she had a valid point? You seemed to suggest that he/she was wasting our time as the problem was him/her?! That's no way to help users!! 18:15 < korrosa> I don't think it's a bug though - more a feature request. 18:15 < woglinde> korrosa *sigh* him/her dont want to help us 18:16 < korrosa> Perhaps there's some history which I've missed? 18:16 < woglinde> saying I cannt make screenshots, because there screenshots programm somehow 18:17 < korrosa> I wondered that (you _can_ do screenshots on Android devices) but then there's no need really: we all know that the OSD rectangles remain even when empty in the default layout. 18:17 < woglinde> his/her point was to disable the boxes completly as default 18:18 < korrosa> I know. 18:18 < korrosa> And I don't agree with that point of view, because it would make the xml even more complex. 18:18 < korrosa> So therefore it's a feature request, not a bug. 18:20 < woglinde> yes even as feature request 18:20 < woglinde> it will not be made as default 18:20 < woglinde> for that we would need a poll 18:20 < korrosa> I don't think it will either. 18:20 < korrosa> Anyway, fancy answering a programming question? 18:20 < woglinde> and thats the point him/her didnt want to understand 18:22 <@cp15> His point was to disable the blank osds when not in use 18:22 < woglinde> hm 18:22 < rigel> there are a couple of different vector based nav programs out there now, using data from OSM. i wonder if theres any desire to do some kind of standardization? 18:22 < woglinde> okay 18:22 < woglinde> sorry 18:22 * woglinde goes hiding 18:24 < woglinde> will apologize 18:24 <@cp15> rigel, what standardization? 18:24 < rigel> cp15: exactly. 18:24 < rigel> osmand, mapsforge, and you guys all use different file formats 18:24 < rigel> based on the same data 18:25 < rigel> i'm currently trying to figure out which app is best for me to alter for a specific purpose 18:25 <@cp15> Well, navit has by sure the oldest, so don't ask us why they don't use it 18:25 < rigel> and the fact that theyre all divergent formats is cumbersome 18:25 < woglinde> rigel mapsforge will maybee better in the future 18:25 < woglinde> and mapsforge is only focused on android 18:26 < rigel> woglinde: right, but the learning curve is steeper because i have to write more of an app 18:26 < rigel> osmand does most of what i want, so i would have to alter it the least, but then i think it would be brittle 18:27 <@cp15> rigel, what does osmand what navit doesn't? 18:27 < rigel> well, i'm more familiar with java than c 18:27 <@cp15> Well, then bad luck with navit... We will stay with c 18:27 -!- BrainDamage [BrainDamag@i.love.tiltshellz.org] has joined #navit 18:27 < rigel> even though i'm a nub with the former, i'm totally ignorant of the latter 18:28 < rigel> i get the sense that configurability is better (xml-based) with navit 18:28 < rigel> so im going to investigate that 18:28 < rigel> is that right? because i dont remember where i read it 18:28 <@cp15> May I ask what you are planning to do? 18:28 <@cp15> Nearly everything can be configured in navit 18:28 < rigel> all i'm trying to do is use an external, private list of POIs 18:29 <@cp15> In what format? 18:29 < woglinde> osman looks nice yes 18:29 < rigel> they are in sv format, but i an do some python jiggery pokery to get it into standardized osm format, or kml, whichever 18:29 < rigel> s/sv/csv/ 18:30 < rigel> asmand is also a bit smaller, i think 18:30 <@cp15> Navit has a csv driver since a few months, so you can use that directly 18:30 < rigel> ok 18:30 <@cp15> But it will get memory intensive if you use many POIs. Then you can convert that into a navit map 18:30 < rigel> the downloading of maps for navit is somewhat problematic i think 18:31 <@cp15> There has been work on this and it should work better 18:31 <@cp15> And it isn't an easy task to serve the downloads of sometimes 160 people at the same time 18:31 < rigel> osmand, by contrast, has individual map files available for each country and us state 18:31 < rigel> yeah, i understand 18:32 < rigel> some osmosis scripting is probably in order for that aspect of things 18:32 < woglinde> ? 18:32 < woglinde> we have this too 18:32 < rigel> woglinde: i was only able to see the "select a square" thing, and then it downloads the raw osm files, which are huge 18:32 <@cp15> rigel, I don't see any advantage in having separate map files 18:33 < rigel> cp15: perhaps some context is in order. i am a bicycle tourist, and i know, for instance, that i am only going to be passing through pennsylvania, new york, and vermont 18:33 < rigel> so i just download those maps 18:33 < rigel> this can be done in-app with osmand, too 18:34 < woglinde> rigel? 18:34 <@cp15> No problem with navit... Well, ok, it is actually, until someone submits bounding boxes for the us states 18:34 < woglinde> in the android map you can choose btw. diffrent countries 18:34 < rigel> i also want to have the maps on hand for offline use, since i do not know whether i will have service in certain areas 18:34 < woglinde> yes 18:34 < woglinde> navit works this way 18:34 < korrosa> BrainDamage: If you implement the auto-hiding OSD items as per the layout in the wiki, can you report back if it is successful or not on Android? 18:35 < rigel> i know navit can do this 18:35 <@cp15> So what do you want actually? 18:35 < BrainDamage> sure 18:35 < rigel> but on this most recent tour i didnt have the prep time to evaluate things fully, i needed something to grab and go 18:36 < korrosa> cp15: Frederik over at OSM has released all his boundaries that he uses to clip the OSM country extracts. Would they be useful? http://download.geofabrik.de/clipbounds/ 18:36 < korrosa> Sorry, Fred over at geofabrik... 18:36 < rigel> well, i'm just spitballing really. i think navit deserves some more serious investigation now 18:36 < korrosa> And useful = useful to create state extracts for the US. 18:36 < BrainDamage> rigel: btw, osmand has a small ( large flaw ) in it's map format: it's tile-based, try to download a large map with it 18:36 < BrainDamage> with street-level resolution 18:37 < rigel> BrainDamage: it does vectors too 18:37 < BrainDamage> oh it does now? good to know 18:37 < BrainDamage> it used not to 18:37 < rigel> yeah, i dont know since when, but that was a major reason i went with it 18:38 < BrainDamage> my 8 GB card couldn't fit a 100 km^2 square :s 18:38 < bzed> but osmand can't route without internet connection 18:38 < rigel> but i cant get the source tree to import properly for the app now, and im not sure why. i had altered their offline tools to suit my purposes (adding extra comment fields in their POI sqlite db format) but if i cant build the thing, i cant alter it very well. 18:38 < rigel> bzed: there is experimental offline routing now 18:38 < rigel> but i havent used it so i dont know how good it is 18:38 <@cp15> korrosa, is there a list of us states in that? 18:39 < rigel> i also dont know how suitable it is for cycling. my goal is to have a bike-touring oriented app, or in the case of navit, a bundle of xml or config files for that purpose 18:40 < korrosa> cp15: You lazy git! :) Yes, it does - it has all the bounds for the following: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/ 18:41 < korrosa> Note that these aren't just rectangles - they're the 'proper' borders used for the specific extracts. 18:42 < rigel> i would be interested in helping to produce downloadable state/country maps that are already in your binary format (pbf?) 18:42 < rigel> assuming i am able. i dont know what yall code in 18:42 < rigel> and im, as i said, a nub 18:45 <@cp15> korrosa, great, then I will add all the stuff there when I have time 18:45 < korrosa> Whoop! 18:46 < rigel> there is a binary format, yes? the rectangle download page i saw looked like it only pulled the uncompressed xml 18:47 <@cp15> Do you think the uncompressed xml of the whole world fits in less than 7 GB? 18:47 < korrosa> rigel: Yes, the planet extractor for Navit serves maps in binary format only. 18:48 < korrosa> http://maps.navit-project.org/ 18:49 < rigel> cp15: i apologize if i'm asking stupid questions. my intent is not to irritate, i simply have not investigated navit as much as i clearly should have. that will change in the near future. 18:49 < rigel> korrosa: excellent 18:49 < korrosa> We're here to help! 18:51 < rigel> so another assumption, possibly false, that i made initially was that since it appears that navit is geared towards in-car navigation, there is an assumption that there will be external power. 18:52 < korrosa> Number6: ARE YOU READY??!! 18:52 < rigel> was i wrong about that? gps in generally is pretty demanding power wise 18:52 <@cp15> rigel, not necessarily, but the rendering of navit takes (depending on the layout) some cpu power, so it won't last too long 18:53 < rigel> right, is the rendering/update frequency configurable via xml as well? 18:53 < rigel> again, sorry for the nub questions 18:53 <@cp15> Yes it is 18:53 < rigel> fantastic, thank you 18:54 < korrosa> Number6: http://i.imgur.com/pagc6.png 18:54 < korrosa> I you get the episode, it's at 23:26. 18:54 <@cp15> You can also disable the follow mode so that the map no longer follows the vehicle, instead the vehicle will move over the map and the map will be re-aligned when the vehicle leaves it 18:56 < rigel> oh, i was thinking more like, turn the gps off entirely, and just wait for user input to get a new fix 18:56 < rigel> because thats what i was doing, just going into standby, with the gps off, then 10 or 15 miles later seeing where i was 18:57 < korrosa> Number6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrI1PNMdBE#t=3m48s 18:58 < korrosa> rigel: Just unplug the gps, I guess. Though if you're cycling for 10 or 15 miles you can just turn the device off, no? 18:58 < BrainDamage> 15 miles is sufficiently coarse to use cell network location 18:58 < BrainDamage> it will be accurate to ~1km 18:59 < BrainDamage> and will be sgnificantly less expensive energy-wise 18:59 -!- Statler-Mobil [~Statler-M@p5DDC0DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #navit 18:59 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 19:00 -!- Statler-Mobil [~Statler-M@p5DDC0DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00 < rigel> BrainDamage: good to know. perhaps i can configure a low-power mode that uses cell location in areas where there is signal, and gps only as fallback 19:00 -!- Statler-Mobil1 [~Statler-M@p5DDC0DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #navit 19:01 < BrainDamage> I don't know if navit can use cell location data tough 19:01 < rigel> oic 19:01 <@cp15> There is support in for this, but I don't know how good it is 19:02 < zoff99> BrainDamage: sure it can 19:02 < rigel> is cell network positioning dependent on data availability? 19:02 < zoff99> but u need internet, just a few bytes 19:02 <@cp15> Yes, of course 19:02 < rigel> oh, then that's right out 19:03 < rigel> i turn data off entirely to save power 19:03 < rigel> others may use different approaches, but all i have to go on is my personal use case right now 19:03 <@cp15> There is a free database available, but that isn't a ready to use solution 19:05 < rigel> i have to go, but i enjoyed chatting, and will give this a closer look. i would, as i mentioned, also be willing to help out to whatever extent i am able, so i suppose i'll find some tasks or whatnot on the...wiki? github? etc 19:05 < rigel> cheers, and thanks again 19:06 <@cp15> wiki is always a good start 19:06 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4595 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/ (maptool.c maptool.h osm.c): Fix:maptool:Fixed unresolved ways from poi2way, some cleanups 19:08 <@cp15> tryagain_away, I have found the problem with the overflowed index tile, and another one, done some cleanup and moved the way pois to a separate table, now building outlines will no longer disappear 19:11 < korrosa> cp15: I'll test now. 19:13 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-235-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 19:13 -!- antenna1 [~ion@dslb-178-007-141-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:24 < korrosa> cp15: Is there a way to build navit after an initial svn checkout without making any of the icons? 19:29 <@cp15> not an easy one 19:29 < antenna11> is the doway2poi parameter integrated now? 19:30 <@cp15> Yes, I will test it tomorrow on the planet again, and if the result is satisfying I will make it the default 19:32 < antenna11> maptool fails at phase 3 with the latest update 19:33 -!- Dandor [~androirc@dial062077236037.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #navit 19:34 <@cp15> Any error? 19:35 < antenna11> 8885 done and 8886 memory access error 19:36 <@cp15> A bit more please 19:37 < korrosa> Damn tryagain, what kind of super server do you have??! I'm still on phase 1! 19:38 < korrosa> Sorry, antenna11! 19:38 <@cp15> Oh no, not again a thunderstorm 19:38 <@cp15> I hate to power on all the servers 19:39 < antenna11> cp15: sorry, no more information given in the shell. How can I get more? 19:39 <@cp15> What is the last line before the done? 19:39 < antenna11> korrosa: it's my desktop and only a small 19MB pbf file 19:40 < antenna11> cp15: Phase 3: sorting countries, generating turn restrictions 19:40 < korrosa> antenna11: Ah, you're cheating! 19:41 <@cp15> With or without the -2 flag? 19:41 < antenna11> cp15: with doway2poi 19:41 -!- Dandor [~androirc@dial062077236037.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41 < antenna11> korrosa: and I love it! 19:43 < Number6> korrosa: Oh no, that's not me at all! 19:43 < korrosa> Number6: Yeah, tell that to the judge. 19:43 < antenna11> are there two antenna1 on this channel? 19:44 <@cp15> No 19:44 < Number6> korrosa: I look more like your man who presented the Eurovision :-P 19:44 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-235-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 19:44 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-235-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 19:44 < korrosa> Number6: What, Graham Norton??!! 19:45 < Number6> No, silly 19:45 < Number6> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/246852_510829878287_261600054_297763_2275233_n.jpg 19:45 < antenna11> probably timeout 19:47 < korrosa> Ah, Stefan Raab. 19:47 < korrosa> I heard he's the shits in Deutschland. 19:48 < korrosa> cp15: I just got a seg fault too. 19:48 <@cp15> Come on, that can't be true :-) 19:48 < korrosa> It is. 19:48 < korrosa> PROGRESS: Phase 3: sorting countries, generating turn restrictions 19:48 < korrosa> Segmentation fault 19:48 < korrosa> But shit, no core dump. Don't those limits stick between shutdowns? 19:49 < korrosa> Just retrying after a "ulimit -c unlimited" 19:49 <@cp15> no, it only affects the current shell and all subprocesses 19:50 <@cp15> No need, now I try also 19:50 < korrosa> Race you. 19:52 -!- Statler-Mobil1 [~Statler-M@p5DDC0DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #navit [] 19:55 < Number6> Oh, ye'll all like this. Running a planet maptool from a 3 disk RAID0 array (not my choice) using pbzcat on an octo-core machine with 24GB of RAM to another array. Started it a half hour ago, it's on Progress 2 already 19:56 < korrosa> No one likes a show-off, douche. 19:57 < antenna11> yea wait for our netbook cloud! 19:59 < Number6> pfft, the cloud is a buzzword. Like Glastnos and perestroika 19:59 < korrosa> ...and octo-core. 20:01 < Number6> Fine - 2 x Intel Xeon Quad-Core E5560 processor (2.80 GHz, 8 MB L2 cache) 20:01 < Number6> :-) 20:01 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4596 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/maptool.c: Fix:maptool:Don't crash so often 20:02 < korrosa> Ah, a double quad core. 20:02 < antenna11> fails again : 9307/9308 20:03 < Number6> Yes, ergo octo-cores 20:03 < antenna11> damn, forgot to update :D 20:03 < antenna11> sorry 20:04 < korrosa> cp15: Here's my dump: http://pastebin.com/f3fNnYHx 20:04 < korrosa> (Always wanted to say that.) 20:04 < antenna11> ok, it works again! 20:06 < antenna11> cp15: are you going to test tunnel extrapolation with osm tomorrow? 20:08 -!- noradtux_tp [~wircer@g224050238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 20:08 < antenna11> korrosa: how did you get that dump? 20:09 < korrosa> Find nearest toilet. Squat. 20:09 < korrosa> WAHEY!!! 20:09 < antenna11> glad you enjoyed the 20:09 < antenna11> this one 20:09 < korrosa> Na, just do "ulimit -c unlimited" in your terminal, then run your program. 20:10 < korrosa> If it crashes, it creates a file called "core". 20:10 < korrosa> After the crash, in the terminal type: "gdb maptool core" 20:10 < korrosa> Then at the gdb prompt, type "bt" 20:10 < korrosa> That's what I was told, anyway!! 20:11 < BrainDamage> thread apply all bt if it's multithreaded 20:11 < BrainDamage> so it'll dump all thread infos 20:13 < korrosa> Dude, what's with all the multi-thread showing off going on it here?! Give us netbook guys a friggin break!! 20:13 < korrosa> ;) 20:14 < Number6> threading doesn't really affect maptool, with the exception of the decompress. I'm working on making the zip64 better, but the figures I'm getting are all over the place 20:19 < woglinde> hm hm 20:22 < antenna11> gn8 all 20:22 < woglinde> nite antenna 20:22 < Number6> Night, antenna11 20:22 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-235-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 20:25 -!- netbook_ [~netbook@78.145.246.31] has joined #navit 20:27 -!- korrosa [~netbook@2.96.83.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:34 <@cp15> korrosa, does it work now? 20:38 <@cp15> So, we support now nearly all areas where geofabrik had polys 20:56 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 21:07 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1/20090707221522]] 21:17 -!- thelodger [~pauricthe@86-40-239-212-dynamic.b-ras3.mvw.galway.eircom.net] has joined #navit 21:21 -!- noradtux_tp [~wircer@g224050238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19 -!- netbook_ [~netbook@78.145.246.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:19 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 -!- sera_ [~sera@197-34.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:36 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052237217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 22:43 -!- sera_ [~sera@184.79.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 22:58 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.246.31] has joined #navit 22:59 < korrosa> cp15: Map built fine. I don't see building outlines though, but that's probably because I don't have an outline defined in my layout... 23:03 < korrosa> cp15: I noticed you added all the states from Geofabrik to the planet extractor - good job! Can I request that you also add the Great Britain poly? I know there's England, but I live in a part of England which is close to Wales, so the Great Britain extract would be very convenient! 23:07 <@cp15> Doesn't "UK" fit your needs? 23:09 < korrosa> But, but ... it comes with Ireland *shudder* :) 23:10 < korrosa> UK = GB + Northern Ireland. GB = England, Wales and Scotland. I guess I could go with the UK extract.... 23:18 < Number6> Does that mean we can keep the North, korrosa ? 23:22 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.246.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:22 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.147.7.113] has joined #navit 23:23 < korrosa> Do what you like with them! But Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, only the UK. 23:24 < korrosa> Here's a Venn diagram for those interested: http://qntm.org/files/uk/uk.gif 23:25 < Number6> Actually, we don't really want the North. Ye can support them 23:27 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:3::150] has joined #navit 23:30 < korrosa> We try, we try! 23:30 < korrosa> Night all! 23:30 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.147.7.113] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@227.213.10.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 23:33 <@cp15> I think I will go also 23:54 < Number6> Same. Night all 23:54 < Number6> /o/ 23:54 < thelodger> Cya 6 --- Log closed Fri Jul 08 00:00:35 2011