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02:00 < antenna1> korossa: new version available, link is still the same
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15:05 < hape> We did a update to the current svn today, that last update was some month ago. Thanks for fixing the housenumber search, however did it ;-)
15:06 < woglinde> hape hm
15:06 < woglinde> android?
15:06 < hape> webos ;-)
15:06 < woglinde> ah cool
15:06 < woglinde> hm maybee was tryagain
15:07 < hape> noradtux_ and I are doing the webos part, but we did not do much in the last month, the weather was to good to stay inside ...
15:07 < hape> s/part/port/
15:08 < woglinde> he you could code outside with the palm
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16:17 < woglinde> hi cp15
16:19 < cp15_> Hi woglinde
16:20 < woglinde> cp15_ can you explain the nls update procedure?
16:20 < woglinde> I know gettext a bit
16:20 < woglinde> but but in combination with launchpad
16:21 < cp15_> Hmm... Actually I don't know much about the launchpad interaction
16:21 < woglinde> lol
16:22 < woglinde> who then made the updates?
16:22 < woglinde> kazer?
16:22 < woglinde> but anyway how you did than
16:22 < woglinde> with xgettext on the files?
16:22 < cp15_> But normally you should copy the lang.po to lang.po.in and edit lang.po.in
16:23 < woglinde> hm okay than I have to look up how
16:23 < woglinde> how to merge files
16:23 < woglinde> or new translation terms
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17:10 < woglinde> cp15 do you have the xgettext call present?
17:15 < cp15_> ?
17:15 < woglinde> hm
17:16 < woglinde> ah so you are adding the strings manually
17:17 < cp15_> What strings?
17:17 < woglinde> hm okay
17:17 < woglinde> makefiles take care
17:17 < woglinde> understood it now
17:20 < woglinde> and I see now that kazer normaly takes care about it via launchpad
17:32 < BrainDamage> can navit get heading from compass + accel + gyro?
17:32 < BrainDamage> because I've set a directional arrow even when speed = 0, and I saw only a dot
17:33 < cp15_> BrainDamage, not normally... There is some experimental support for this with augmented reality
17:36 < CIA-69> woglinde * r4638 /trunk/navit/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal.c: Fix:gui_internal: Convert last gettext to _ and gettextfied Next and Prev for the routedescription
17:37 < CIA-69> woglinde * r4639 /trunk/navit/po/de.po.in: Fix:NLS:Updated german translations for Next and Prev
17:45 < BrainDamage> should I bother adding that I can reproduce the last comment 100% ? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/166
17:49 < cp15_> BrainDamage, don't think this is needed. But you can complain from time to time here that the ticket is still unresolved
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18:57 < cp15_> tryagain, if I remember right you pinged me some time ago?
18:58 < tryagain> :) probably I should read logs to find that. Don't remember now...
19:00 < cp15_> Ok :-) Then it probably wasn't that important
19:00 < tryagain> I will ping again if I remember
19:01 < woglinde> *g*
19:02 < Number6> What does *g* mean, woglinde ?
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19:17 < woglinde> *grin*
19:17 < woglinde> hi rd
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19:18 < xenos1984> hi everybody
19:18 < woglinde> hi xenos
19:18 < xenos1984> hi woglinde
19:34 < Number6> woglinde: Ahhh!
19:34 < Number6> Hi xenos1984
19:34 < xenos1984> hi Number6
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19:58 < korrosa> [TRAC] Comment added http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/193 "left and right are reversed on a particular route" (or: woglinde wants to close this ticket sharp!)
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19:59 < woglinde> korrrosa you can test it yourself
19:59 < woglinde> convert the gpx file
19:59 < woglinde> to nmea and use it as source for vehicle
20:00 < Number6> Who is suppose to be fixing CIA-69, so the Brit doesn't need to be a human bot?
20:00 < Number6> And yes, human bot is an oxymoron
20:04 < korrosa> woglinde: I'll try it later - which bit of the Netherlands is it in? Don't wanna download the whole lot...
20:04 < woglinde> look it up yourself
20:04 < woglinde> nothern
20:04 < woglinde> northern
20:06 < ThomasAH> today I had an about 120km drive on the Autobahn with Navit from recent SVN (r4635). I had the feeling that it was often confused about being in a nearby street and regularly announced that I have to drive some-hundred meters to enter the highway. Was it just a bad day for GPS reception or the Navit upgrade? Before this I had a version that was about 2 months old (r4496) and I did not notice this kind of problem
20:06 < korrosa> "look it up yourself" = 4 words. "northern" = 1. :)
20:06 < woglinde> use the link
20:06 < woglinde> 3
20:07 < korrosa> ThomasAH: I also get that from time to time. What device is this?
20:07 < ThomasAH> korrosa: Motorola Defy (still on Eclair)
20:09 < ThomasAH> korrosa: I think it happened 10 times or more today on various parts of the route
20:09 < korrosa> OK, so I presume that's a mobile with built in GPS? I get it using my netbook and a gps USB mouse or bluetooth puck, but not always. I tend to attribute it to poor gps signals for the day, as other times I pass the same stretch with no problems. Also, I tend to have the sound off so probably don't notice most of the time!
20:10 < ThomasAH> korrosa: yes, built-in GPS. Though sometimes I use a bluetooth GPS with it, because of the better reception and less battery usage
20:10 < korrosa> (Man, the dutch have really nailed down their landuse in OSM!!)
20:12 < ThomasAH> in May we were on Mallorca and the built-in GPS was nearly useless, even if it is usually better than the built-in GPS receivers of other devices I compared it with
20:12 < woglinde> what was the problem?
20:13 < woglinde> to few satallietes?
20:13 < ThomasAH> woglinde: yes, and getting a lock on more than two was nearly impossible that week
20:14 < woglinde> hm why is marlloca this bad
20:14 < woglinde> technical caused by the us military?
20:15 < ThomasAH> woglinde: thought the same and checked news channels when we arrived at the hotel :)
20:15 < antenna1> ThomasAH: Do you use the lag attribute?
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20:16 < ThomasAH> antenna1: I use the default settings (Car), I haven't checked if it is enabled
20:17 < cp15_> I have this problem also sometimes on android
20:17 < antenna1> ThomasAH: no, lag isn't enabled by default
20:17 < cp15_> It looks like the gps receiver has an offset of several hundred meters then and it takes many minutes until the position is accurate again
20:19 < ThomasAH> next weekend I'll try the same Navit version with the bluetooth GPS on partially the same route, so I can compare
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20:21 < ThomasAH> antenna1: for what purposes is the lag attribute used? To inform Navit to announce earlier?
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20:25 < cp15_> ThomasAH, to extrapolate the vehicle position, because usually the gps position lags about one second behind the real position
20:25 < antenna1> ThomasAH: that's one effect of the lag attribute; it generally extrapolates the position, so the cursor can be set nearly to the real position, as well. If you want to adjust only speech announcement, you can change the distances in <navigation> too
20:26 < ThomasAH> cp15_, antenna1: thanks. Maybe I'll try that some time, because often I get the "turn left now" while already having to turn left at the intersection
20:26 < antenna1> ThomasAH: see http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options
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20:27 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4640 /trunk/navit/ (CMakeLists.txt config.h.cmake): Fix:Build:Chek for stpcpy
20:27 < antenna1> ThomasAH: all beginners have that problem, I guess.
20:27 < ThomasAH> antenna1: yes, helpful page (one of the few bookmarks I have on my Android), but the description of 'lag' did not make it clear to me when this should be used
20:28 < ThomasAH> antenna1: usually no problem due to the 200m announcement before, but in some situation this does not happen
20:28 < antenna1> cp15 have you thought about adjusting the announcement distances in the default navit.xml?
20:29 < cp15_> Yes, but first I want to clean the announcements up
20:29 < cp15_> You might have noticed that they exist twice in navit.xml
20:30 < antenna1> yes, I did. Are there any conflicts to add lag with a small value like 10  by default?
20:31 < cp15_> Someone should try it out
20:32 < cp15_> BrainDamage, can you do some tests whether this has a bad effect for you?
20:32 < antenna1> ThomasAH: may you edit the description so you would understand it?
20:36 < ThomasAH> something completely different: on the way back I used Google Navigation to compare: 1. it uses much more power, so the device got hotter, so it turned of charging after getting too hot.  2. it silenced the music that was playing so much, that it was really annoying.  The only plus side: It never said "please turn around", but suggested good ways to head back, e.g. turn left into a smaller street and turn there.  (two ramps were closed, so we had a l
20:36 < ThomasAH> (uhm, what's the line length limit here again? :))
20:36 < ThomasAH> antenna1: I'm not sure how to make it better
20:41 < korrosa> cp15: I can confirm that the lag attribute works for me with a setting of 12. Ubuntu netbook.
20:43  * ThomasAH just checked the public log, end of my line was:  (two ramps were closed, so we had a little sightseeing on the way back)
20:55 < cp15_> ThomasAH, what? Navit uses less power than google navigation?
20:55 < ThomasAH> cp15_: much less, yes
20:55 < ThomasAH> (reproducible)
20:56 < cp15_> That is quite surprising, since navit usually drives the cpu to full load
20:56 < ThomasAH> cp15_: maybe Google Navigation does that in a more efficient way (like cpuburn :))
20:57 < cp15_> About the turn maneuvers... We surely can improve that :-)
20:57 < ThomasAH> cp15_: or maybe because it has more fancy 3D graphic it adds CPU and GPU power with a little added mix of G and orientation sensors
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21:04 < korrosa> [TRAC] New ticket "Add vehicle profile to avoid toll roads during routing" http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/900
21:04 < korrosa> Booya: I got #900!!
21:04 < ThomasAH> cp15_: I'm not sure if I want that improved: With Navit I know that I can ignore "turn around" when I know that I don't want to enter the blocked ramp, with Google Nav I always had to look at the display to see if I should really turn left or if it would just be "a little left, then turn around, then right"
21:05 < Number6> korrosa: http://files.sharenator.com/Slow_Clap_RE_ITS_A_GIF_PARTY-s420x315-140048-580.gif
21:06 < ThomasAH> korrosa: maybe an "avoid turn around unless it saves more than X minutes/km/whatever" would be helpful though
21:07 < korrosa> Number6: http://gifsoup.com/MTQzNDI
21:07 < kenguest> cp15_: yo
21:08 < korrosa> ThomasAH: This may be of interest -http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/77
21:08 < rd> hi wogline (sorry for replying late :-)
21:09 < ThomasAH> korrosa: yes, sounds like what I want :)
21:10 < korrosa> Can you code? I can't! If you can, this could be a project for you?
21:11 < ThomasAH> "adding to the cost of making a U-turn"
21:11 < ThomasAH> korrosa: I can, that's the problem, my code queue is already too long :)
21:12 < korrosa> Navit first, everything else second.
21:12 < Number6> LIFO
21:13 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4641 /trunk/navit/ (CMakeLists.txt cmake/navit_macros.cmake): Fix:Build:Made compileable on macosx
21:13 < Number6> Oh, oh oh. Is this what I think it is?
21:14 < ThomasAH> Number6: ok, I'll switch to LIFO as soon as I have completed everything else :)
21:15 < Number6> ThomasAH: Disregard everything, aquire navit
21:16 < cp15_> Calculating turn loops is quite difficult with the current routing algorithm
21:16 < cp15_> But we could add a button "Backwards direction blocked" that appears when navit suggests to turn around that will block going back to where you came from completely
21:17 < korrosa> cp15_: Make that an attribute in the vehicleprofile...
21:18 < cp15_> I am not sure whether this is a good idea, since it might force you to drive a big detour
21:19 < woglinde> good nite
21:20 < ThomasAH> good night, woglinde
21:20 < woglinde> korrosa hm ask cp15 if he can include your second patch
21:20 < korrosa> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/900?
21:20 < woglinde> no
21:20 < woglinde> poi_atm
21:21 < woglinde> 900 would be your third
21:21 < woglinde> *g*
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21:22 < korrosa> I've gotten a lot of grins from woglinde in the past few days!
21:23 < korrosa> cp15_, woglinde was alluding to http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/899 - any criticisms?
21:27 < cp15_> No, looks fine... A different icon would be nice, but since there is none available yet it is ok
21:32 < korrosa> Thanks!
21:33 < Number6> cp15_: What icons do we need?
21:34 < kenguest> cp15_: might I PM you? :)
21:35 < cp15_> kenguest, sure
21:35 < cp15_> Please use cp15_
21:36 < korrosa> Number6: An icon for an ATM.
21:37 < Number6> k
21:37 < kenguest> msg cp15_ Is the source for that php web tool available anywhere? I might just take a look at it first before agreeing to do anything extensive to it ;)
21:37 < kenguest> heh. knows I needed a slash :D
21:37 < Number6> Gimp
21:38 < kenguest> aye. 'tis better than photoshop, in a conniption
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22:35 < xenos1984> gn8 folks
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