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02:43 < curious> Number6, lol, if that's 'nutshell' then it's damn hard nut to crack ;p
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06:12 <@Horwitz> morgen
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07:18 < Number6> curious: It must be a coconut!
07:19 < Number6> cp15: The oddness that is GUI elements. Dragging circles to a box is the strangest way to connect up a button to an action, that I've ever seen
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08:03 < tparcina> cp15: Is there any procedure how to check is Navit version for Android stable?
08:14 < aspix> somebody know how to set some configuration for see the street in the navigation ?
08:14 <@cp15> The current street?
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08:20 < aspix> yes... the street when you are going
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08:23 < korrosa> aspix: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD#text
08:23 < korrosa> tracking.item.street_name
08:24 < korrosa> <osd enabled="yes" type="text" label="${tracking.item.street_name}" />
08:26 < aspix> thanks so much !!! i read it rigth now  :)
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09:14 < Number6> That "Street you're on" and "Next street" do need to be updated to account for either name or systemic name.
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09:17 < korrosa> Number6: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/519
09:17 < korrosa> Next trac test? ;)
09:20 < Number6> See who's added to the CC list :-)
09:20 < korrosa> Yeah, noticed after I linked. Don't feel so clever now...
09:21 < Number6> I'm gonna be wrangling with iOS for a while, anyway. The UI design is so odd. You move circles to functions for button presses. It's like Visual Studio's "special" cousin
09:24 < korrosa> Move circles to functions? Not the other way round? Sounds odd!
09:24 < Number6> Yeah, your button has - what I call - a magic circle. It's job is to do an action on, say, a button press
09:24 < Number6> And Apple's Human Interface Guidelines are also strange. Methinks Navit will be classed as an "immersive" application
09:26 < korrosa> Oooh, more buzzwords!
09:28 < Number6> Speaking of buzzwords - http://abstrusegoose.com/
09:29 < korrosa> You know the internet far too well.
09:30 < Number6> I've been online for more than a decade, which makes me feel old now. Screw you, korrosa
09:31 < korrosa> Woah dude, we've all been online for more than a decade in here! I can still repeat the modem dialup tone off by heart.
09:31 < Number6> dee dee dee dee dooooo. Diddla do de do da dooooo
09:31 < Number6> kssssssssssssh... uuuuggggggghhhhh
09:32 < korrosa> Were you in my bedroom last night? Deja vu...
09:33 < Number6> Giggidy
09:35 < korrosa> I wonder if sometimes cp15 glances into this channel and does a *roll eyes* "kids these days" sort of look.
09:36 < Number6> We're hardly kids :-)
09:37 < korrosa> I am not in any way a qualified adult.
09:37 < kenguest> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
09:37 < Number6> Having the mindset of a kid, however. Well, that just means that we're intrigued with how things work
09:39 < Number6> korrosa: Speaking of children being the future - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYNPPh2dCI . kenguest will like this too
09:40 < korrosa> Hmm, I 'll have to check it out later - must dash now. She has mean eyes.
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09:44 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4644 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/ (maptool.c osm.c): Add:maptool:Better progress reporting including time and memory statistics
09:44 < kenguest> "what plate?" heh
10:13 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4645 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/maptool.c: Fix:maptool:Some cleanups
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12:19 < eTarap> lo
12:19 < eTarap> can one use it on a erocsdon w995?
12:20 < eTarap> *ericson
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13:42 < woglinde> joho
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13:48 < woglinde> joho
13:48 < woglinde> I will fix the shapefile stuff this evening
13:49 < woglinde> couldnt finished it yesterday
13:49 < woglinde> because my wife was going to bed
14:17 < Number6> So? Code in bed with her asleep next to you :-)
14:19 < kenguest> unless she snores so loud you can't concentrate
14:19 < Number6> Pfft, a minor inconvience
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14:21 < kenguest> yes. that's where ballgags come into play.
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14:59 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4646 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/boundaries.c: Add:maptool:Better algorithm for boundary polygon sorting
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15:59 < hape> cp15: Ping
16:07 <@cp15> pong
16:19 < hape> cp15: is there a other way to tell navit where to center the man as to fill center.txt?
16:19 < hape> I as as the map jups away as soon as you get a GPS fix
16:36 <@cp15> What result do you want?
16:37 < hape> In webos i have to actions that call the mapping app:
16:38 < hape> 1) mapto: Start routing to the target
16:38 < hape> 2) maploc: Only show the target on the map
16:38 < hape> 1) workes fine when I set the new target into the destination.txt
16:39 < hape> 2) Works when I set the target into center.txt, but as soosn as Navit get a gps fix it jumps to the current postion as we have follow map enabeld by default
16:44 <@cp15> Hmm... I have to think about it
16:45 <@cp15> What do you think about an option to issue a navit command at the command line?
16:54 < hape> hmm would not be that easy. The current conzep ist to tell navit what to do (via destination oder center) and thenn cal the Navit app via a webos sercvice.
16:55 < hape> We currently have two apps. Navit as PDK (speak Navive webos c appliaction) and a Navit-Maps app as a Mojo app (speal HTML/Javascript)
16:56 < hape> The Mojo app has two functrions. 1) Mentain and downlaod the osm Maps (thaks to noradtux ) and to react on system calls for routing and translate them into right format for Navit
16:57 < hape> I need to do the gecoding via Google as webos sen us only a address in clear text and not geo postion.
16:58 < hape> I can call the Navit PDK app from the Mojo App, but I can not specify any command line parameters. I only get feedback if the app could be started or not
16:58 < hape> For me the easieres part would be to have it as a value in center text ;-)
16:59 < hape> But that would not fit into the conzept, as center.txt is not for parameters
17:05 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4647 /trunk/navit/navit/ (attr.h start_real.c): Add:Core:Option to specify a file for startup commands or set a startup command as command line parameter
17:05 <@cp15> Ok, I guess I have added what you need
17:05 <@cp15> You can do now the following:
17:05 <@cp15> navit -c "navit.follow=10000" will delay the map following the cursor for 10000 gps updates
17:06 <@cp15> Or
17:06 <@cp15> navit -s commandfile
17:06 <@cp15> Where you can write something like navit.follow=10000 into the commandfile
17:06 <@cp15> Does that fit your needs?
17:10 <@cp15> Actually we could extend set_destination to parse coordinate strings and add something like set_center() so you would have an uniform access to all functions
17:14 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4648 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/ (boundaries.c geom.c): Fix:maptool:Better handling of broken polygons
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20:23 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4649 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/ (boundaries.c geom.c): Fix:maptool:Made merge of polygon segments work
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20:29 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4650 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/boundaries.c: Fix:maptool:Handle ex- and enclaves
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20:54 < ronald2> hello
20:55 <@cp15> Hi ronald2
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21:19 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4651 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/osm.c: Fix:maptool:Correct output for is_in warning
21:22 < lindi-> let f(X) mean <map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="$HOME/.navit/X.navit.bin"/>
21:22 < lindi-> if I use f(bosnia_and_herzegovina) then land is in blond color
21:22 < lindi-> if I use f(bosnia_and_herzegovina) and f(finland) then land is blue (as in ocean)
21:23 < lindi-> if I use f(finland) then land is again normal
21:23 < lindi-> if I use f(finland) and f(croatia) then land is ocean
21:23 < lindi-> it seems that if I use more than one map in a mapset I just get ocean
21:24 <@cp15> I guess I know why
21:24 <@cp15> The coastline of finland will flood the whole world, since there is no other coastline to hold off the water
21:25 < lindi-> how do you manage this? ;) you edit the XML when you cross the border?
21:26 <@cp15> I usually take the whole planet with me. Probably we should add a flag to disable coast lines
21:27 < lindi-> unfortunately my 8 GB SDHC card does not work
21:27 < lindi-> that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631381
21:28 < lindi-> cp15: I also sometimes update over GPRS
21:29 <@cp15> You are using a freerunner?
21:29 < lindi-> cp15: yes
21:30 <@cp15> You must be quite a patient person
21:30 < lindi-> patience is needed yes
21:31 <@cp15> There is an alternative board available now, but it is quite expensive
21:31 < lindi-> gta04?
21:31 <@cp15> Yes
21:32 < lindi-> might be interesting to try at least
21:32 < lindi-> it was omap based?
21:33 < lindi-> anyways, this monav program seems to be a potential competitor for navit
21:33 <@cp15> Let me check... I have seen it on the LinuxTag, wasn't bad... But for 3 times the price of a good android phone it is too expensive
21:33 < lindi-> at least it routes faster and over much longer distances
21:34 <@cp15> Yeah, but the routing profile alone is as large as a navit map and bound to a single vehicle type
21:34 < lindi-> if I take in to account all the time I spend sending bug reports and patches the price of hardware does not matter that much :)
21:35 < lindi-> cp15: yep the data takes more space indeed
21:35 < lindi-> I have no idea if compression could help them
21:36 <@cp15> I have also tried out the contraction hierarchy algorithm with navit, but I didn't work further because it would increase the map size for 30% for each vehicle profile and it is quite inflexible in routing
21:36 <@cp15> For example, it can't handle rerouting around a traffic jam
21:36 <@cp15> Or "avoid highways" would mean another vehicle profile (and 30% size increase)
21:37 < lindi-> I can't enjoy those features in navit either
21:38 <@cp15> Well, they are there, but there is no user friendly interface yet
21:38 < lindi-> indeed
21:40 < lindi-> a lot of users who try navit go away because of usability problems. it's horrible that navit in debian by default shows an empty window
21:40 < lindi-> it should at least show "You have no maps yet. Please read http://... for more instructions."
21:41 <@cp15> Well, that is a problem of the debian packagers. Normally at least a sample map is included
21:42 < lindi-> yes I talked with Gilles about it
21:42 < lindi-> he hadn't even heard of monav
21:42 < lindi-> even though it is in debian too
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21:42 < woglinde> hiho
21:42 < Number6> Why is Munich the sample map, out of interest?
21:43 < lindi-> so there are clearly some communication problems inside debian :P
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21:48 < woglinde> lindi hm?
21:48  * woglinde fixing now libshapefile to the end
21:49 < lindi-> woglinde: hmm?
21:51 < woglinde> lindi communications problem about what?
21:51 < woglinde> pini and you?
21:52 < lindi-> woglinde: that Gilles who maintains navit hadn't heard about monav
21:54 < woglinde> hm
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21:56 < lindi-> I hadn't either, I'm not blaming him :)
21:56 < lindi-> but monav maintainer maybe should have pinged Gilles
21:59 < lindi-> woglinde: from your dd profile I see you asked for python-wifi, what's going on that front?
22:02 < woglinde> lindi ah hm
22:03 <@cp15> Number6, because it is still from the early days of openstreetmap and outside of munich there wasn't much to see
22:03 < woglinde> the upstream maintainer is working on a new version
22:04 < woglinde> lindi and with wirelessapi dropping the next kernel version it wasn that much worth
22:04 < woglinde> lindi and I thought it could do more
22:04 < lindi-> if I do dbus-send  --print-reply --session --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/navit/0 org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_center_by_string string:"geo:24.82669 60.2715622"
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22:04 < lindi-> and then zoom in it does not zoom to those coordinates
22:05 < lindi-> can you reproduce?
22:05 < woglinde> lindi hm
22:05 < lindi-> I need to issue set_center again
22:05 < lindi-> or otherwise I'm several hundred meters too south
22:05 < woglinde> its working with 3851
22:05 < lindi-> this is 0.5.0~svn4494+dfsg.1-1
22:06 < woglinde> or does it jump to false cordinate?
22:06 < lindi-> woglinde: it's just bit too south
22:06 < lindi-> not completely wrong
22:06 < woglinde> ah okay
22:07 < woglinde> I thought it dont works at all
22:08 < woglinde> cp15 10 minutes than I have fixed shapefile
22:10 < woglinde> hm
22:10 < lindi-> wiki says
22:10 < lindi-> dbus-send  --print-reply --session --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/default_navit org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_destination string:"geo: 24.0 65.0"
22:10 < woglinde> or more
22:10 < woglinde> how does the builtin.c works?
22:10 < lindi-> but I get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "set_destination" with signature "s" on interface "org.navit_project.navit.navit" doesn't exist
22:11 < woglinde> lindi maybee you use dfeet
22:11 < woglinde> or so
22:11 < woglinde> to introspect
22:11 < woglinde> or look directily at the dbus binding file
22:11 < lindi-> dbus-send  --print-reply --session --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/navit/0 org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_destination string:"geo:24.82669 60.2715622" string:"aa"
22:11 < lindi-> that works
22:11 < lindi-> had to read the source to find out that it wants (destination, comment) tuple
22:11 < lindi-> can I update the wiki?
22:12 < woglinde> sure
22:12 < woglinde> wiki updates can everybody who registers
22:14 < lindi-> updated
22:15 < woglinde> args
22:15 < woglinde> hm that is complicated
22:15 < woglinde> we dont ant lib_shape as support for builtin
22:15 < woglinde> s/ant/want
22:17 < woglinde> cp15 ping
22:18 <@cp15> pong
22:19 < woglinde> cp15 for shapefile we only need to link it against the plugin it dont needs a entry in buildin.c right?
22:19 < lindi-> I now have a reproducible way to crash navit
22:19 <@cp15> woglinde, right
22:19 < woglinde> hm okay
22:19 < woglinde> than I need to activate my sed foo
22:20 < woglinde> to not include shapefile lib
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22:20 < woglinde> hm maybee grep is good enough
22:21 < LionKMP> Hi all. I am trying to start navit on OpenMoko. It does not come with navit.xml, so I created a simple, with one mapfile. But I get:navit:map_new:invalid type 'textfile'
22:21 < LionKMP> my mapfile line is: <map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="/media/card/navitm3.bin" />
22:21 < woglinde> LionKMP did you install it from shr repos?
22:22 < LionKMP> woglinde: I guess I did. I use SHR and I just did opkg install navit.
22:22 < woglinde> opkg list | grep navit
22:22 < woglinde> you proably need to install more packages
22:22 < lindi-> LionKMP: what distro are you using?
22:22 < woglinde> lindi shr
22:23 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4652 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/geom.c: Fix:maptool:Corrected return values for point inside boundary
22:23 < LionKMP> it installed something like 5 packages, GUI, etc. I list them:
22:23 < woglinde> pastebin please
22:23 < LionKMP> navit-config (oh, maybe it has an XML I'll check right now, moment.
22:24 < woglinde> it will have the config
22:24 < woglinde> hm dont know why jama didnt make a suggest or depend on it
22:24 < LionKMP> woglinde: it IS installed automatically.
22:24 < woglinde> hm okay
22:24 < LionKMP> but to /usr/share/navit/navit.xml, is it loaded from here by default?
22:25 < LionKMP> I made my simple one in ~/.navit, as docs say.
22:25 < woglinde> thats one of the places where navit looks to find the navit.xml
22:25 < woglinde> first homedir
22:25 < woglinde> thena /etc/navit
22:26 < woglinde> than sharedir/navit
22:26 < LionKMP> ah ok, it works now. I copied that file and added my mapset line.
22:27 < LionKMP> (in ~/.navit)
22:27 < LionKMP> how do I find the map? :) It's white area
22:27 < lindi-> managed to reproduce the crash on two armel systems but not amd64
22:28 < woglinde> lindi ah
22:28 < LionKMP> I zoomed out a lot and I have a blue circle on the screen.
22:28 < woglinde> LionKMP first check if you have a mapset around your map entry
22:28 < woglinde> second
22:28 < woglinde> go into internal gui
22:28 < lindi-> so I'll recompile with debugging symbols and no optimization
22:28 < woglinde> and look if a map is loaded
22:29 < LionKMP> where is "internal GUI" is that the menu with "Actions" "Settings" "Tools"...?
22:30 < woglinde> yes
22:31 < LionKMP> I am lame, I cannot find where it shows whether map is loaded. I clicked almost all menus I think.
22:32 < LionKMP> please help, where to look? :(
22:33 < LionKMP> (I have <mapset> node, yes)
22:33 < woglinde> mom
22:33 < lindi-> LionKMP: maybe you have two mapsets?
22:33 < LionKMP> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      67043070 Jul 20 23:08 /media/card/navitm3.bin
22:33 < LionKMP> this one, downloaded few mintues ago.
22:34 < woglinde> pastebin your navit.xml please
22:34 <@cp15> woglinde, I have to correct myself, it is ok to link support_shapefile to the core when plugins are disabled
22:34 < woglinde> pastebin means not here
22:34 < woglinde> cp15 question is do we need it?
22:34 <@cp15> It will be linked anyway
22:34 < woglinde> yes into libnavit
22:34 < woglinde> .a
22:35 < woglinde> but builtin.c complains about not finding the ini symbol
22:35 < woglinde> init even
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22:35 < woglinde> so I prevented it now with grep to include it in shapefile
22:35 <@cp15> Doesn't matter, since map_shapefile will be linked also into libnavit in this case
22:35 < woglinde> args
22:35 < LionKMP> http://pastebin.com/qs8WSRwv
22:35 <@cp15> Just add a dummy ini function to support_shapefile
22:35 < LionKMP> default SHR config + the mapset part.
22:36 < woglinde> cp15 yeah but I dont believe it we need it
22:36 < woglinde> LionKMP hm your mapset part is incomplete
22:37 < LionKMP> copied from http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap  :)
22:37 < woglinde> try explecit
22:37 < woglinde> mapset enabled="yes"
22:38 < woglinde> cp15 fix osm at munich
22:38 < woglinde> OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8107050 Broken polygon, less than 3 points defined
22:38 < woglinde> OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9218275 Broken polygon, less than 3 points defined
22:38  * woglinde runs
22:38 < Number6> Run faster, then fix the WinCE port :-)
22:38 < woglinde> okay ce compiles at least
22:38 < woglinde> will check in now
22:38 < woglinde> when does the autobuilder kicks in?
22:39 <@cp15> 00:20 utc
22:41 < LionKMP> woglinde: I added that <mapset enabled="yes"> still can't see whether it's loaded. Would it dispaly to console? http://pastebin.com/LY9xPDKX
22:41 < LionKMP> I pasted the console output.
22:41 < woglinde> map_binfile:map_binfile_open:Failed to load '/media/mmc2/MapsNavit/osm_europe.bin'
22:41 < woglinde> so another mapset is enabled
22:41 < LionKMP> that's not mine. my one is navitm3.osm
22:41 < woglinde> you can only have one
22:42 < woglinde> mapset
22:42 < woglinde> but with as much maps you want and you have memory
22:42 < LionKMP> I see. Ok, I look at more files in /usr/
22:43 < LionKMP> grep mapset /usr/share/navit/navit.default.xml
22:43 < LionKMP> there is the ugly default :)
22:43 < woglinde> why ugly?
22:43 < woglinde> it has all you need
22:43 < LionKMP> well, ok, but usally one does not edit /usr files to do something.
22:44 < woglinde> and xml was never made for humanreadbillity
22:44 < CIA-69> woglinde * r4653 /trunk/navit/po/fr.po.in: Update:i18n: update french translation generated from latest svn and ticket #902 thanks to Ziaou
22:44 < LionKMP> if it was in /etc, I would expect it needs editing. sorry. :)
22:45 < CIA-69> woglinde * r4654 /trunk/navit/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix:map_shapefile:Rework the autotools support a bit, don't include shapefile in builtin.c fixes buildprocess with no plugin support
22:45 < woglinde> ask jama to change it
22:47 < LionKMP> should it be OK to set that to enable="no"? It still tries to load this europe thing from somewhere.
22:48 < LionKMP> ah, in maps.xml there is another enabled one.
22:49 < woglinde> yes
22:49 < woglinde> disbale the other
22:51 < woglinde> cp15 last ping
22:51 < woglinde> did you include karossas's  tunnel patch?
22:52 < LionKMP> http://pastebin.com/xes4tyMZ  I don't know if this should work now, and if it does,how to zoom to my data.
22:52 <@cp15> woglinde, which patch?
22:53 < woglinde> http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/901/tunnel_extrapolation.diff
22:53 < woglinde> ah only a part
22:54 < LionKMP> woglinde: thanks for all your help, lindi too. I'll try this later. see you all!
22:54 < woglinde> sure
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22:54 < lindi-> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip debug noopt" apt-get --build source navit still uses -O2
22:55 < lindi-> how should I tell cmake that I don't want optimizations?
22:56 < lindi-> CMakeLists.txt talks about some  Debug build. will this create object files to a directory that is named differently from normal build?
22:57 < lindi-> CMakeCache.txt has CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING=RelWithDebInfo
22:58 <@cp15> Try cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
22:58 < woglinde> *g*
23:03 <@cp15> I will go to bed now
23:03 <@cp15> Good night
23:03 < woglinde> nite cp15
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23:17 < lindi-> cp15: but debian has nostrip, debug and noopt as separate flags
23:18 < woglinde> lindi ask tomorrow
23:18 < woglinde> cp15 sleeps now
23:19 < woglinde> dont know if he reads the backlog
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