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06:43 <@Horwitz> morgen
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07:03 < hape> min
07:03 < hape> moin
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07:11 < chollya> Hi
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08:53 < greenguy> Number6 - assuming the code base is the same for WinCE as for the Linux build, in what module is the COM support found?
09:00 < greenguy> Number 6 I will check back on the log - thanks
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10:37 < blassmegod> hello
10:38 < blassmegod> does somebody knows on android 2.2 how to configure navit to see the gps
10:38 < blassmegod> in the navit.xml is set on vehicle to source="android:"
10:41 < woglinde> yes
10:41 < woglinde> thats right
10:41 < blassmegod> only this
10:41 < blassmegod> ?
10:42 < blassmegod> don't i have to write the COM4 and the boud rate?
10:42 < woglinde> no
10:42 < woglinde> android has a framework for providing gps data
10:42 < woglinde> this one we are using
10:42 < blassmegod> ok, thanks alot
10:42 < woglinde> in the layers down comport and stuff is set
10:43 < woglinde> from android layers I mean
10:43 < woglinde> and in this one config build file
10:43 < blassmegod> ok, thanks
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14:00  * arpy says hi guys
14:03 < arpy> I would like to share a few words with a Navit for Windows developer, I'm having some difficulties building and starting up Navit, I'd appreciate a little help! Whom may I attend to?
14:03 < woglinde> whats your problem?
14:24 < arpy> Hi woglinde, thanks for answering; I can well manage to build Navit as well under cygwin as well under MinGW, but it won't start up :-(
14:24 < woglinde> uhm?
14:25 < arpy> I would appreciate a better understanding what I have to do to let it start cleanly, the HOWTOs on the homepage seem not too clear :-(
14:31 < Number6> arpy: Are you using Visual Studio?
14:31 < woglinde> whats the problem with cygwin?
14:32 < woglinde> you need an Xserver to let navit run
14:33 < arpy> No, I am not using Visual Studio. I am using the provided makefile infrastructure and tried building both ways suggested, MinGW and cygwin.
14:35 < woglinde> yes
14:35 < woglinde> again for cygwin
14:35 < woglinde> you need to fire up a Xserver
14:35 < arpy> I am pretty sure I did everything the HOWTO suggests (and much more, since it seems pretty fragmentary), of course I do have an X server running
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14:36 < arpy> Funny thing is, if you don't have your X server up and running, there is a pretty clear error message. My problem is, there's none, the program just crashes when I start it.
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14:39 < arpy> First, some segmentation fault in navit\map\textfile\textfile.c, call m->filename=g_strdup(wexp_data[0]); does not work since wexp_data is a null object.
14:39 < arpy>  When I debug and correct this, g_free crashes afterwards.
14:40 < arpy> When I debug and correct this, some call into the WINNT.dll fails, and I am at the end of my journey of misery :-(
14:41 < arpy> First of all: From the point of view of the Navit for Windows developers, which is _THE_ way to build Navit for Windows? Cygwin or MinGW? My colleagues are a little unsure which way would be best.
14:43 < arpy> I found cygwin pretty easy to configure and build (package management is easy), and MinGW is pretty hard to set up fulfilling all the needs, they aren't very clearly stated, unfortunately.
14:44 < woglinde> arpy uhm I thought I fixed the textfile stuff
14:44 < woglinde> maybee only local here
14:45 < woglinde> arpy infect cygwin uses mingw too
14:45 < arpy> Well it's a runtime problem, maybe just on my machine, no compile error or the like
14:46 < woglinde> hm
14:46 < woglinde> maybee later I will give cygwin compile a try again
14:47 < arpy> That would be great, thanks a lot!
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14:48 < arpy> I fear a little that the Windows build HOWTO was written ages ago, and not completely using a fresh machine, and not writing _everything_ useful down which lead to the successful build. Maybe it's a little "out of sync" now, I know how this goes by ourselves if old HOWTOs aren't maintained anymore...
14:49 < woglinde> hm no
14:49 < woglinde> I tested it last year
14:49 < woglinde> and I got it worked
14:49 < woglinde> even the unix device syntax for the gps device worked
14:49 < woglinde> under cygwin
14:50 < woglinde> and I corrected the wiki side as much I could
14:50 < arpy> Well of course you knew what to do, you did not need to interpret the build howto first, so it's rather easy to overlook the missing parts in it :-)
14:52 < arpy> It's always good to have a complete idiot try to follow it, he will find what's unclear! -- But do worry no longer, here I am for you! *dddg*
14:52 < woglinde> sure
14:52 < woglinde> but time is the magic factor
14:53 < woglinde> money too
14:54 < arpy> No, just kidding, the build may be fine (at least make did compile and link it fully through), but the beast does not show anything when I run it by the command "navit.exe"
14:54 < arpy> money and time, you tell it :-(
14:55 < arpy> That's why we find it so cool that you guys managed to build such a cool piece of software as open source! It's awesome!
14:55 < arpy> (and there's nothing like it, as I googled for open source routing software)
14:58 < woglinde> there is more and more opensource routing programs coming
15:11 < arpy> Well, we'd really like to choose yours! *bs* Hopefully we can cope with the beginner's problems we have...
15:12 < woglinde> arpy whats your goal with navit?
15:26 < arpy> we'd like to enhance it so that it eats's our customized predefined route
15:26 < woglinde> I am of for a while
15:26 < woglinde> predefined route in what case?
15:27  * arpy taking back the 's
15:27 < woglinde> navit already has the ability to set waypoints
15:27 < woglinde> but its not in gui yet
15:27 < woglinde> okay till later
15:28 < arpy> Navit should route along OUR route not along the route it calculates. Let's just imagine you have a weird route predefined and would like to route along it.
15:28 < arpy> well we just had it built in the first place, enhancements in code come once we manage it to run *g*
15:31 < arpy> woglinde thanks for your attempt to help us out, I appreciate it very much! Here in EU, it's getting late (speaking of friday's working hours), so I would like to meet you again on Monday, afternoon in US time! Would be great to have someone who can help you a little!
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17:49 < danielerusso19> hi all!
17:49 < danielerusso19> Can anyone tell me how can I change the style of road sections identified due to a distortion of traffic? Thanks in advance!
18:13 < BrainDamage> I tried today navit in a large city here, and I had a small problem
18:13 < BrainDamage> the route was correct, but it constantly was repeating "slightly turn right" or "slightly turn left" every 5 s or so
18:13 < BrainDamage> despite road being perfectly straight and no intersections
18:14 < BrainDamage> any idea what could cause this?
18:18 < woglinde> BrainDamage did you have two maps active?
18:18 < woglinde> and they overlapped?
18:20 < BrainDamage> mmm, I think yes
18:20 < BrainDamage> I guess that's it, I'll remove one
18:22 < woglinde> ;)
18:22 < BrainDamage> thanks
18:24 < woglinde> good you made me schocking for one moment that the turn around stuff is broken again
18:30 < danielerusso19> anyone knows how can I change the style of road sections identified due to a distortion of traffic?
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18:47 < woglinde> danielerusso19 sorry dont know if the have this feature
18:48 < woglinde> s/the/we
18:49 < Number6> I don't think we do traffic data... yet
19:03 < woglinde> number6 there is some interface for traffic data
19:04 < curious> and i think there is even option to define it in navit.xml
19:04 < Number6> Ohh, news to me!
19:08 < danielerusso19> yes, is possible to communicate at the engine the traffic situation...is very useful! :)
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19:15 < OwenLA7QZ1> Hi. Does anyone know where or how the string of text that is sent to the speech synthesizer in Navit is put together? I have a couple of issues and suggestions.
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20:14 < Number6> Would you all like a random statistic?
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20:19 < Number6> maps7 has served 6253 map files since the start of the month
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21:02 < OwenLA7QZ1> I have some suggestions regarding the speech function. I have raised a ticket:
21:02 < OwenLA7QZ1> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/906
21:03 < woglinde> OwenLA7QZ1 text comes from the localized strings in the .po files
21:03 < OwenLA7QZ1> woglinde: Where would I find those?
21:04 < woglinde> navit/po/ ?
21:04 < OwenLA7QZ1> OK. I'll have a look. However, the issue with Espeak interpreting "Dr" as "doctor" rather than "Drive" is built into espeak
21:04 < woglinde> uhm oh
21:05 < woglinde> yes
21:05 < woglinde> how espeak should know what is mentioned
21:05 < OwenLA7QZ1> If it could be converted to "Drive" before it is sent to espeak we would not have this porblem
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21:05 < OwenLA7QZ1> However, if it's at the beginning of the string it probably IS "doctor"
21:05 < woglinde> but that comes from the street names
21:06 < woglinde> which comes from the osm data
21:06 < woglinde> hm hm
21:06 < woglinde> thats not easy to fix
21:06 < OwenLA7QZ1> Yes, so the code that reads the street names needs to look at the strings for stuff like Dr, hwy, ln, ct and change it before it's sent to espeak
21:07 < OwenLA7QZ1> And rules for what to do when could be kept in a file
21:07 < woglinde> hm okay
21:07 < OwenLA7QZ1> Have a look at the ticket and then come back. I think I have described it pretty well. :)
21:08 < woglinde> okay its not so hard to parse the streetnames
21:08 < woglinde> according to the rules
21:08 < OwenLA7QZ1> Does the current Android svn have the mod for installing on SD? I'll be getting my android (and wife) back tomorrow.
21:08 < woglinde> no
21:09 < OwenLA7QZ1> Any chance that will be incorporated soon?
21:09 < woglinde> I have some patches here
21:09 < woglinde> but they have to get approved by cp15
21:09 < woglinde> otherwise the autobuilder may fail
21:09 < OwenLA7QZ1> OK.
21:10 < OwenLA7QZ1> Any timeline on that?
21:10 < OwenLA7QZ1> approximate (a day, a week, a month?)
21:10 < woglinde> month maybee
21:11 < woglinde> or 2 weeks
21:11 < OwenLA7QZ1> OK.
21:11 < OwenLA7QZ1> Can you compile and e-mail me the patched version meanwhile?
21:11 < woglinde> will try
21:12 < OwenLA7QZ1> my gmail.com is la7qz.om
21:12 < OwenLA7QZ1> Great. Would be nice to get this working. There just isn't enough room to have Navit on internal.
21:13 < OwenLA7QZ1> Will be rooting the Android when I get it back which will enable me to throw out some bloat, but with 512 Mb internal space will still be an issue.
21:15 < OwenLA7QZ1> Do you know where / how the street names are parsed. Maybe this is something I could look at, but my programming skills are VERY rusty.
21:15 < OwenLA7QZ1> Don't even know which language it is...
21:18 < woglinde> they arent paresd
21:18 < woglinde> parsed
21:18 < woglinde> they are used as comming from the map data
21:20 < OwenLA7QZ1> OK, but the string is read from map data somewhere and then sent on to the code that displays on screen and the code that puts together the driving instructions that are sent to espeak. SO somewhere inbetween there we need to parse the string with the set of rules.
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21:20 < woglinde> yes
21:22 < OwenLA7QZ1> A decision also has to be made whether to parse the string only for speech or both speech and display. The length of the string might be a problem for display. Maybe only expand dr to drive and hwy to highway if the streetname is shorter than "x"
21:23 < OwenLA7QZ1> Another related issue. I think the decision when to send a driving instruction to espeak is made based on metric measurements.
21:23 < OwenLA7QZ1> So, I get instructions like "Turn right in 798 feet".
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21:24 < OwenLA7QZ1> IT would be better if the decision was made based on imperial measurements when Navit is using imperial units. It's a lot easier for espeak to say "turn right in 800 feet" and less confusing for the driver.
21:25 < OwenLA7QZ1> Maybe I should raise that as a seperate ticket.
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21:39 < cp15_> Good evening
21:40 < ham73tux> Talking about language, it often proposes to me "easily turn right". That's a translation error from German into English, I would say ("leicht rechts halten").
21:40 < ham73tux> Hi CP15
21:41 < cp15_> ham7373tux, what would be good english?
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21:41 < ham73tux> "keep right."
21:42 < woglinde> hi cp15
21:43 < cp15_> Well, keep right would be if a street divides into a left and a right part
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21:44 < cp15_> Turn right would indicate what road to take at an intersection
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21:44 < zoff99> hi
21:45 < cp15_> And there are 7 possibilities: straight, slight left+right, left+right, strong left+right
21:46 < ham73tux> Hmm. I have to think about it. Maybe OwenLA7QZ1 can help, I assume he's a native English speaker? "Slight" I guess is correct if you want to turn into the lesser curved exit of two.
21:47 < cp15_> Ok, probably a native english speaker should check all the phrases navit creates for good english
21:47 < cp15_> I only want to do this once, since it will make all translations invalid
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21:48 < OwenLA7QZ1> cp15 did you see the two tickets I raised today?
21:48 < OwenLA7QZ1> and ahm73tux
21:48 < woglinde> where is korrosa?
21:49 < OwenLA7QZ1> 906 and 907.
21:49 < OwenLA7QZ1> And yes, I can help check the phrases.
21:51 < cp15_> I have read in the irc logs about "odd" distances for imperial measurements
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22:00 < ham73tux> Good, these two items were on my list, too.
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22:20 < cp15_> Good night
22:23 < ham73tux> Sleep well cp15!
22:25 < woglinde> nite cp15
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22:27 < bencahill> hey, great program! is it possible to change the width of the text outline (e.g. for street names)?
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22:31 < woglinde> bencahill only fontsize is editable
22:31 < woglinde> good nite
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22:34 < bencahill> okay
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