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09:00 < ICE-B> gm
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11:02 < hape> cp15: ping
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16:26 < LarrySteeze|Away> hello there!
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16:56 < dgebser> hi zusammen
16:57 < dgebser> könnte mir jemand bei android und navit.xml helfen?
17:13 < woglinde> dgebser english please
17:16 < dgebser> in the terminal I get to Android with cat / dev/ttyUSB0 the data from the GPS receiver
17:17 < woglinde> yes
17:17 < dgebser> the entry file: / dev/ttyUSB0 does not in navit.xml
17:18 < woglinde> dont know if source=file works good enough in android
17:18 < woglinde> but there is a hacked bluetooth-gps bridge outwhere which can take any /dev you want
17:18 < woglinde> try to google it
17:19 < woglinde> you can use it do get gps data into anrdoid gps framework
17:19 < woglinde> and than using source=anrdoid
17:19 < woglinde> ups android
17:20 < dgebser> i have a u-blox 5 usb
17:23 < dgebser> the pad has no umts or gps receiver
17:31 < woglinde> sorry dont find at the moment
17:36 < dgebser> once in the navit.xml source="file:/dev/ttyUSB0" navit vehicle configuration menu is empty
17:39 < woglinde> yes as I said it might not work on android this way
17:39 < woglinde> I know one which hacked bluegps4droid
17:39 < woglinde> so its takes any /dev/bla as device for gps
17:44 < dgebser> this pad had no bt
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17:49 < woglinde> dgebser again
17:49 < woglinde> its hack to the bt software
17:50 < woglinde> anyway I got the source code
17:50 < woglinde> lets see if I can cook something up
17:51 <@cp15> Good evening
17:51 < woglinde> hi cp15
17:52 <@cp15> Hi woglinde
17:52 <@cp15> Did I miss something important the last few days?
17:52 < woglinde> no
17:53 <@cp15> Good :-)
17:53 < woglinde> was quite
17:53 < woglinde> someone complained on spam in the wiki
17:53 < woglinde> but he didnt told where
17:54 <@cp15> Korrosa did a big cleanup yesterday
17:54 < woglinde> oh okay
17:56 <@cp15> The spammer has to solve two captchas to sign up and spam an external link, but this doesn't seem to be a big hurdle
17:56 <@cp15> Any ideas how to improve this?
17:57 < woglinde> no
17:57 <@cp15> There is a wiki blacklist floating around, but I have tested 10 of our spams against it: No match
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18:07 < korrosa> spammers not so busy on a Sunday!
18:08 < korrosa> cp15: Two things:
18:08 < korrosa> 1) Someone mentioned that the cmake versions of android didn't work for them: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/940#comment:3
18:09 < korrosa> 2) Can you review and commit patch at http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/840#comment:1 please? I declare it to be my Ticket of the Day!
18:10 <@cp15> I will think how to solve #1, #2 is ok for me.
18:10 <@cp15> BTW: Do you want to have svn write access? Then you can commit all good patches :-)
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18:12 < korrosa> cp15: As long as woglinde doesn't complain...
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18:17 < woglinde> why should I complain
18:18 < korrosa> Was that a complaint? :)
18:19 < woglinde> lol
18:19 <@cp15> korrosa, do you have a sf user already?
18:20 < korrosa> Yeah: korrosa
18:24 <@cp15> Ok, I have added you
18:24 < woglinde> gratz
18:25 < korrosa> I promise to be good.
18:25 <@cp15> Good :-)
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18:36 < dandor> cp15 ping
18:38 < woglinde> hi dandor
18:39 < dandor> hi woglinde
18:41 < korrosa> dandor: Unrelated to Navit - are Hungary continuing with accepting the Euro in 2012?
18:41 < dandor> korrosa, as I know there is no deadline for introducing the euro here
18:42 < dandor> 2012 seems unrealistic for me
18:42 < korrosa> OK, just something I read last year - I have a fair amount of Forints here, and wanted to know if I should exchange now before it's too late.
18:43 < dandor>  the current government does not stick to introducing it
18:44 < dandor> i think you have quite some time to exchange it :)
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18:45 < zoff99> hi
18:45 < korrosa> Thanks dandor! Perhaps it'll become an investment!
18:45 < korrosa> hi zoff99
18:46 < dandor> cheers!
18:47 < woglinde> hi zoff
18:57 < zoff99> any progress on osm relations?
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19:03 < zoff99> korrosa: can you rollback the danube relation change in vienna?
19:04 < korrosa> zoff99: Anyone can roll it back, but I won't for two main reasons: 1) It's not my area, and the local mappers may have good reason for the commit; 2) It's been some time since the commit, and a revert may be messy and time-consuming.
19:05 < zoff99> how do i see the history for a specific way/relation on the website?
19:06 < zoff99> korrosa: yeah, i fear revert wont be possible. and nobody wants to code full relation support in navit
19:06 < CIA-49> korrosa * r4791 /trunk/navit/navit/ (item.c navit_shipped.xml): Add:Core:Add parking_aisle service ways to routing. Closes #840|Thanks ziaou!
19:06 < korrosa> Whoop!
19:06 < korrosa> zoff99: I'll find the history for you - one moment...
19:07 < zoff99> cool thanks
19:07 < zoff99> do u guys think , when writing a program that pre-parses the osm input file
19:07 < zoff99> and "just" dumb puts all the tags from the relation into the way(s) tag
19:08 < zoff99> and then use that as input for maptool, will it make a useful workable map?
19:09 < zoff99> dont know it the "inner" and "outer" of the relation will screw stuff up
19:09 < korrosa> zoff99: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/32484/history
19:11 < zoff99> or to be more precise, now ways need to be in clockwise order, is that also for "outer" parts of relations?
19:11 < zoff99> or can they be now in any order?
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19:39 < sebastian> it says in the update notes for android that the bug which prevents navit from finding some streets is fixed
19:39 < sebastian> this doesn't seem to be true
19:40 < sebastian> there are still a lot of missing roads
19:44 < korrosa> sebastian: So, the update note is true: "finding *some* streets is fixed".
19:44 < korrosa> :)
19:44 < korrosa> What are you missing?
19:49 < dgebser> woglinde: would be possibly a solution for me? http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1028056.html
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19:55 < woglinde> dgebser as I said I have the source to the hacked gpsbt here
19:55 < woglinde> where you can set your own device
19:55 < woglinde> like tty/acmX
19:55 < woglinde> ups /dev/acmX
19:56 < woglinde> or /dev/ttyUSBX
19:57 < dgebser> this is the solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17385039&postcount=15
19:58 < dgebser> http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=714082&d=1315519311
19:59 < woglinde> yes
19:59 < woglinde> but not source code
19:59 < woglinde> this suckz
20:00 < dgebser> but work
20:00 < woglinde> hm okay
20:00 < woglinde> no its the same guy
20:00 < woglinde> who wrote it originally
20:01 < woglinde> he will provide source
20:02 < woglinde> dgebser fine
20:03 < woglinde> no need to set the speed with stty?
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20:42 < rd> Does anybody know the current status of the navigation tag vs the vehicleprofile announcement tags?
20:43 < rd> If I remember right, the navigation tag was the old mechanism, the vehicleprofile announcements tags are the new mechanism. Last time when I checked vehicleprofile announcement tags were not yet in use.
20:43 < rd> Is that still true?
20:43 <@cp15> The stuff below the navigation tag is in use
20:45 <@cp15> Time to change that?
20:47 < rd> My problem with that is (but maybe I do not understand enough details) that I would like to use navit for bike and car navigation.
20:48 < rd> Currently, I have defined a vehicleprofile for (mountain-)bike navigation and car navigation is already there.
20:49 < rd> For both I would like to have announcements, for the mountain-bike case they are more important though, since I have only the announcements, no display.
20:49 < rd> Therefore I had to add all kind of tracks to navigation:
20:49 < rd> <announce type="track_grass,track_ground,track_gravelled,street_pedestrian,footway" level0="25" level1="80" level2="200" unit="m"/>
20:50 <@cp15> How well does mountain-bike navigation work?
20:50 < rd> (it was not enough to add an announcement tag to the vehicleprofile).
20:50 < rd> I am very happy with the result.
20:50 < rd> I use it with my n900 and a headset.
20:50 <@cp15> Great... Then it is time to switch to the vehicle profile
20:50 <@cp15> Maybe I have time next week
20:50 <@cp15> Some work has already been done
20:51 < rd> In forests, it is key though to have an excellent GPS receiver. Therefore I pair to n900 to an external wintec WBT201.
20:52 <@cp15> And if you like to provide your mountain bike profile, I can add it to the repository
20:52 <@cp15> Yeah, I have also discovered this problem. Especially if you are travelling by foot smartphone gps is quite bad
20:52 < rd> I am happy to provide the MTB profile and I also created an MTB layout.
20:54 < rd> The problem which I enountered frequently without external GPS was e.g.:
20:54 <@cp15> Ok, for the layout I would prefer if you could place it in the wiki right now, since it will increase memory consumption and load time for everyone
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20:55 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Layout
20:55 < rd> There is a 4-way crossing. navit wants me to go straight. Suddenly due to a GPS measurement error, it positions me on the road which comes from the right. The navit tells me I should turn right.....which is certainly wrong.
20:55 < rd> Are there any heuristics inside navit, which try to compensate for these kind of measurement errors?
20:56 < rd> (e.g. here it is unlikely, that I approach a 4-way crossing from two independet directions (!))
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20:58 < korrosa> rd - You've been here for a while so I suppose you already know, but it case you don't: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options
20:58 < rd> thanks for the layout link. I will add mine, maybe I will do some extra polishing for this.
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20:58 < korrosa> static_speed and static_distance may be of interest
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21:01 < rd> korrosa, I have seen that before, but I probably never read through the entire page from top to bottom :-)
21:03 < rd> what is the logic behind setting a static_speed or static_distance. I thought it is risky to take a new gps position, if the calculated speed is higher than a threshold, e.g. I never travel faster than 75 km/h with a bike....
21:05 < rd> my understanding is that the problem is that the measured GPS position is "jumping" to the left or right or systematically somewhat off. When then a road crosses at a certain point the GPS position is closer to the road crossing than the road I am on.....
21:06 < rd> (not sure, if that is understandable, w/o a picture)
21:08 < woglinde> rd there is already a ticket for this stuff
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21:15 < rd> Another issue I was running into: navit proposed me recently a weired route. I am almost sure it was because of a map problem. Is there a way to debug these kind of problems?
21:15 < rd> Some time back I have seen time annotations on the map, showing exactly, where the problem comes from.
21:16 < rd> But I cannot remember if that was in navit or in another tool....
21:16 < rd> "weighted time" instead of time annotations is probalby a better term.
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21:22 < rd> wogline, I have not found it, do you have a number?
21:23 < rd> (I would like to cc: me, in case somebody works on it I would like to give early feedback with the MTB application)
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21:28 < woglinde> rd
21:28 < woglinde> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/931
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21:45 < rd> Thanks, woglinde
21:52 < rd> korrosa, your mapnik layout is very impressive
22:00 < korrosa> rd: Thanks!
22:00 < Number6> WHO GAVE YOU COMMIT ACCESS :-o
22:00 < korrosa> As for debugging map problems - activate the "route graph" from the map menu
22:00 < korrosa> Number6 - OFF THE SUBS BENCH AND ONTO THE FIRST TEAM!!!
22:01 < Number6> \o/
22:01 < Number6> Well done, welcome to the club :-)
22:01 < woglinde> good nite
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22:09 < korrosa> Thanks, thanks - it's been a big day. I'd like to thank my mum, dad, brother, sister.....
22:10 < Number6> Remember, no matter what anybody tells you, words and ideas can change the world
22:11 < rd> korrosa, activating the "route graph" from the map menu, does not make any difference here (on my n900, internal gui).
22:14 < korrosa> rd: Strange. Here's before and after route graph is selected: http://imgur.com/a/yHK1n
22:14 < korrosa> This is on Ubuntu.
22:14 < korrosa> Perhaps this is an n900 issue then...?
22:16 < rd> weired, also on my Debian system it is not working....
22:17 < rd> seems to be a layout issue. Works well on your osm layout (on n900).
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22:52 < rd> Can anybody help with this routing issue: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit_routing.png
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22:54 < korrosa> rd: Can you give me an openstreetmaps link to that area? I'll check the OSM data...
22:54 < rd> What I do not understand is why there is such a big jump on B27: 9767->12473
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22:55 < rd> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.4564192593098&lon=9.06176805496216&zoom=17
22:55 < rd> I think the osm data look ok.
23:01 < korrosa> All connected, though quite a few turn restriction relations - perhaps that's messing things up?
23:03 < korrosa> Anyway, time for bed.
23:03 < rd> was there recently a navit fix in this area? On my PC I have 4790 on my n900 4772. PC version does not seem to have the problem.
23:03 < rd> korrosa, thanks for checking.
23:03 < korrosa> Night fellow team mates!
23:03 < korrosa> (And always update!)
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