--- Log opened Thu Mar 08 00:00:39 2012
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01:25 < tfgbd> hi
01:26 < Number6> Hi tfgbd
01:26 < tfgbd> The CE builds use OpenGL now?
01:27 < Number6> There is currently major work being done on the graphical systems. I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on the WinCE build
01:28 < tfgbd> I suppose I should just download it and build it myself.
01:28 < tfgbd> It's looking impressive, though.
01:29 < Number6> Excellent :-)
01:29 < Number6> Out of interest, where are you from?
01:29 < tfgbd> Oh, I didn't actually try NavIt yet. I had planned to months ago but never got the chance.
01:30 < tfgbd> Check my hostname :P
01:30 < Number6> Ahh, a US person! Excellent!
01:31 < Number6> Have you downloaded a map from http://maps.navit-project.org yet?
01:31 < tfgbd> I also have plenty of Windows CE devices and have experience compiling projects for them.
01:31 < tfgbd> Open source solutions like this are excellent on the less supported processors like x86 or MIPS.
01:32 < Number6> x86... are you *sure* about that? :-)
01:32 < tfgbd> You have binaries for x86 CE now?
01:35 < tfgbd> Nah, still just ARM for now.
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01:43 < wowon> c/q dandor: thankyou for your enlightment. I tried to implement but it didn't work. I post the detail at http://pastebin.com/CmSVRHF4 , I also post the result screenshoot at http://oi44.tinypic.com/15gqa1l.jpg kindly please review it.
01:44 < wowon> c/q korrosa: thankyou for your help. If the image refresh command told by dandor work ... it'll be enough
01:55 < wowon> Korrosa : if that command='osd[@name==mybutton].src="a.png" work , I can set my external application to generate and image. And if i want 'nothing' to be displayed ... I'll generate a small transparent png so it'll not seen by the user
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03:49 < wowon> Korrosa : uuppsss second tought .... I still need the remote command. looks like navit make a 'cache' of loaded image. so if the image is changed after navit load it ... navit still display the same picture. Navit never re-read the same filename until it is re-started
04:30 < wowon> c/q Korrosa and dandor : I make a video post of the result at http://videobam.com/widget/icRkf  , yep .. looks like navit don't re-read the image file until it's restarted
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06:59 < tfgbd> Hmm, this is a bit more annoying to conifgure than I was hoping. Though, I guess I should expect too much from a 0.5.x release
06:59 < tfgbd> cofigure*
07:02 < tfgbd> gah, configure*
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07:36 < wowon> c/q developers : i just post enhancemnet request at http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1019
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07:56 < korrosa> wowon: so this means the trust bit is working for you now? The command='osd[@name==mybutton].src="a.png" stuff?
07:56 < korrosa> s/trust/first?
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08:34 < wowon> Korrosa : not yet , please check http://videobam.com/widget/icRkf . what you mean with 's/trust/first' ?
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10:27 <@cp15> wowon, your usage of osd_iface.set_attr is wrong, you have to get the relevant osd object first and use it
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11:08 < woglinde> hi cp15
11:15 <@cp15> Hi woglinde
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11:52 < korrosa> cp15: I'm interested in helping with the Android development. I'm just starting to wrap my head around Java, so I'm nowhere near competent enough yet for anything major, but is there a small TODO which I could attempt as a first trial project?
11:56 <@cp15> korrosa, yes, clean up the mess, remove strange comments and debug outputs, make intendation pretty, move code into separate functions where the intendation gets too deep
11:58 < tfgbd> Has anyone tried NavIt on Windows Phone 7 yet?
11:58 < korrosa> Lol! I guess determining what is and isn't mess in a language I'm not too familiar with will bring me up to speed fairly quickly!
11:59 <@cp15> tfgbd, won't work, since wp7 allows only c# code
12:00 <@cp15> But native code is on the todo list of microsoft, so maybe later
12:00 < tfgbd> No, it has been hacked.
12:00 < tfgbd> You can run Windows CE .exes now
12:01 < tfgbd> Some people were able to run Opera Mobile 10.
12:01 <@cp15> Really? Well, then please give it a try, I don't own a wp7 phone
12:01 < tfgbd> I don't
12:01 < tfgbd> but it can be installed on my HD2 Pocket PC.
12:01 < tfgbd> I'll test it for you gets when I do tht.
12:01 < tfgbd> that*
12:02 < tfgbd> guys*
12:02 < tfgbd> It will probably work if it doesn't make too extensive use of the common controls
12:03 < tfgbd> Here, have a screenshot: http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/dft_details_full_unlock_native_exe_applications_on_wp7-09-09-11
12:03 < tfgbd> That same guy is also working on a VM that runs Windows CE 5 kernels inside WP7
12:04 < tfgbd> So either solution should hopefully work to run your app.
12:04 <@cp15> I guess it will be slow... On the other hand the wp7 processors are quite fast
12:04 < tfgbd> No, it's a Paravirtualization.
12:04 < tfgbd> Kind of like CoLinux.
12:05 < woglinde> lol
12:05 < tfgbd> It's pretty crazy stuff.
12:05 < tfgbd> let me get the video
12:05 < woglinde> hm we already have seen virtualization on n800
12:05 < woglinde> switchting btw. linux and wince
12:05 < tfgbd> But it was never released by VMWare, was it?
12:05 < tfgbd> This will be consumer accessible
12:06 < tfgbd> You won't need to sign an NDA and pay millions to get it ;P
12:06 < tfgbd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FNls9Hi6TQ
12:06 < woglinde> tfgbd right, it wasnt released
12:07 < woglinde> anyway I dont want a wp7 handy
12:07 < woglinde> args smartphone
12:07 < tfgbd> I don't either. I mostly ignored because it was so crippled.
12:08 < tfgbd> But this awesome HD2 hardware can run it in addition to Android, Ubuntu and Pocket PC.
12:08 < tfgbd> It was lucky enough to be one of the internal test devices at MS.
12:09 < tfgbd> Anyway, I'll take some pictures for you guys if I get it working.
12:09 < woglinde> sure
12:09 < tfgbd> But if that screenshot is any indication, I almost can't imagine it not working.
12:10 < tfgbd> Most of the WP7 devices are lke 1GHz
12:12 < tfgbd> So, I was messing with navit. Ehh, it doesn't exactly seem like something that is ready to install on a PNA and hand to grandma.
12:13 < korrosa> tfgbd: Nope, it's not!
12:13 < korrosa> Get her a tomtom.
12:13 < tfgbd> Pfft.
12:13 < tfgbd> I'd get her the $40 nobrand and install TomTom.
12:14 < tfgbd> Or maybe http://navigatorfree.mapfactor.com/en/
12:15 < tfgbd> You guys have some rough competition.
12:20 < korrosa> I guess it depends where you put Navit.
12:20 < tfgbd> Hmm?
12:20 < korrosa> There is some much better navigation software out there.
12:20 < korrosa> Mostly paid, but some free.
12:21 < korrosa> However, NONE have the configurability and extensibility that Navit has.
12:21 < korrosa> So it's for the geeks, essentially.
12:21 < tfgbd> I remember a time when there was nothing free and TomTom cost $300
12:22 < tfgbd> And they weren't a hardware company
12:22 < tfgbd> It is so awesome that there are finally free software solutions after all this years.
12:22 < tfgbd> these*
12:25 < tfgbd> NavIt seems like it could become decent in the future and it already seems to have the same customization potential as a commercial product like iGO.
12:27 < tfgbd> That is part of iGo's success, I think.
12:28 < tfgbd> OEM customize it for their needs and then geeks make even better skins that meet theirs.
12:29 < korrosa> It's sort of already being done: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/CeBIT-2010-German-police-to-use-open-source-Navit-navigation-Update-944770.html
12:30 < tfgbd> It's that good already?
12:30 < tfgbd> Maybe it's just the unpolished UI that hides its potential
12:33 < tfgbd> Detecting all maps placed in a specific folder would be a nice feature, though. Requiring the user to edit an XML is a bit of a pain.
12:34 < tfgbd> But I suppose it doesn't matter if it is preinstalled on some hardware
12:45 < woglinde> korrrosa project is still ongoing ;)
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15:32 < cezaryzukowski> Hi Everybody
15:34 < cezaryzukowski> I am going to modify Navit source codes. Could you recommend a good starting point (like particular website) for developers ?
15:36 < efess> there are some pages on the navit wiki that describe some modules, I don't think there's an architecture document anywhere, unless i'm mistaken..   http://wiki.navit-project.org
15:44 < korrosa> cezaryzukowski: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Index#Navit_For_Developers
15:46 < cezaryzukowski> efess: Thanks, there are some descriptions indeed.
15:47 <@cp15> If something is missing feel free to ask... And don't forget to update the wiki :-)
15:47 < cezaryzukowski> korrosa: Oh, thanks, there is an enumerated list of topics (in particular for Developers)
15:48 < cezaryzukowski> @cp15: sure :-)
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19:11 < PaulFertser> woglinde: hey :) Any suggestions for me? ;)
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19:46 < woglinde> paulferster ask cp15 if he is still here
19:47 < woglinde> it might have to do with the guessed boundingbox around moscau
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20:13 < PaulFertser> woglinde: yep, i've read about it in the FAQ, but i can't really believe it's _that_ bad and that's there's no workaround.
20:13 < PaulFertser> :)
20:15 < PaulFertser> Also am i right in assuming that all the "persistent" state that navit might be leaving is in ~/.navit? And that it can not modify navit.xml so that i can assume it remains intact?
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20:17 < PaulFertser> Also, i'd be willing to get some pointer about how to debug this, is running in gdb the only reasonable solution or can i inspect binary maps some other way?
20:26 < woglinde> there is away to look into the maps
20:26 < woglinde> but I dont know it anymore
20:26 < woglinde> cp15 knows more
20:26 < woglinde> they are zipped
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20:52 < PaulFertser> Heh, ok :)
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