--- Log opened Sun Feb 03 00:00:40 2013 00:44 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57 -!- cp15` [nliakr@p57B1D5C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:57 -!- cp15 [sfriwc@p57B1D29F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:57 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 02:57 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:3c11::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:4e36:7b3b::1] has joined #navit 07:13 -!- drlizau [~liz@203.193.196.35] has joined #navit 07:56 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 10:52 -!- dazi [54a8da30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.168.218.48] has joined #navit 10:52 #navit: < dazi> Hi. 10:53 #navit: < dazi> I have a (maybe stupid) question: what is the meaning of "Lokalisierung anzeigen" ? 10:55 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.17] has joined #navit 10:57 #navit: < dazi> hi tryagain :-) 11:02 #navit: < dazi> I just asked: what is the meaning of "Lokalisierung anzeigen" ? 11:10 #navit: < tryagain> hi dazi... let me see... 11:11 #navit: < tryagain> Show locale 11:11 #navit: < dazi> i did some google search ... but nothing that would explain the deeper sense 11:12 #navit: < dazi> is this anyhow related to the item we had last time? that internationalisation and translation of the text? 11:13 #navit: < tryagain> locale is laguage and locality setting. It dictates the program what language is in use, which special chars should be used for decimal and thousands separator and so on. 11:13 #navit: < tryagain> yes 11:14 #navit: < dazi> maybe I think too german :-) 11:14 #navit: < dazi> the german meaning of Lokalisierung is a bit different :-) 11:16 #navit: < dazi> but a translation like "zeige Lokal" would be even worse ... hehe 11:19 #navit: < tryagain> I do not speak german so I cant comment this. Anyway, special terminology can be not very intuitive sometimes. 11:19 #navit: < dazi> btw: the modification of the menu (like u proposed last time) works fine :-) 11:20 #navit: < tryagain> that's fine :) 11:20 #navit: < dazi> what I understood was, that navit makes the translations of the messages automatically. 11:20 #navit: < dazi> so, all messages are inside navit? 11:20 #navit: < tryagain> yes, it uses special library called gettext to do translations 11:21 #navit: < dazi> wow 11:21 #navit: < dazi> now i understand the size of the executable :-) 11:21 #navit: < tryagain> if you have source, you can find all translated strings inside po folder 11:22 #navit: < dazi> well ... my time to go inside some source is over :-) 11:22 #navit: < dazi> how many languages are supported? 11:25 #navit: < tryagain> there are 54 po.in files in that folder. I'm not sure if all the languages are equivalently supported. Total size of all files is 1,5 mb. 11:27 #navit: < dazi> and if u skip some of these files, then this will reduce the size of navit? 11:27 #navit: < dazi> You know what I think? :-) 11:31 -!- drlizau [~liz@203.193.196.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36 #navit: < tryagain> these messages of unused languages are stored as separate .mo files, and do not affect the running image size. Though you can save some disk space. 11:37 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 11:39 #navit: < tryagain> dazi what is your platform you're going to run navit on? And what problems do you meet now? 11:41 -!- cp15 [nliakr@p57B1D5C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:44 #navit: < dazi> yakumo delta 300 GPS. Windows mobile. 11:44 #navit: < dazi> still the same problem: memory size. :-) 11:45 #navit: < dazi> cp15 asked my to try it. without any route it works fine. 11:45 #navit: < dazi> but i can not add any destination 11:46 #navit: < dazi> in case i try, navit crashs :-( 11:47 #navit: < dazi> the yakumo was made in 2002. That time there was no "Giga" yet discovered. 11:48 #navit: < dazi> So I have Mega-Herz and Mega-Byte :-) 11:49 #navit: < tryagain> well, 64mb is quite little memory these days. But I'm fine with my 256mb device. 11:50 #navit: < dazi> i know. but i can not change the hardware 11:51 #navit: < tryagain> also, your device looks like a telephone. so it probably has a bunch of applications already running when you start navit. 11:51 #navit: < dazi> i delete all 11:52 #navit: < dazi> there is only one application I can not delete ... named Windows 11:52 #navit: < tryagain> :) 11:53 #navit: < dazi> i also was searching for some virtual memory tool. Could not find anything 11:54 #navit: < dazi> so ... my hope is the slim-navit what u proposed last time 11:59 #navit: < tryagain> well, "decrease something" I told is a bit different from "slim-navit".. 12:00 #navit: < dazi> ??? 12:01 #navit: < tryagain> i cant guarantee it would be running on your device. 12:02 #navit: < dazi> I am willing to try :-) 12:02 #navit: < dazi> I know u can not delete the features 12:03 #navit: < tryagain> Did you try to get some less dense area to test the routing? Russia, or even better, some African country. There are much less roads per square kilometer. Just to be sure we're going in right direction. 12:03 #navit: < dazi> not yet. but its a good idea 12:03 #navit: < dazi> i will do 12:04 #navit: < dazi> not to waste your time 12:05 #navit: < dazi> so i have some homework for today :-) 12:08 #navit: < dazi> in case i have some proposal for modification of the defaul xml ... to whom can I send this? 12:14 #navit: < tryagain> we have some alternative layouts published on the wiki. Or, if you're going to change the default layout, i think best would be openinig a ticket on trac. 12:15 #navit: < dazi> ticket on trac ??? what is that 12:16 #navit: < dazi> it is only small optical suggestion. 12:16 #navit: < tryagain> see trac.navit-project.org . To login, you can use account you can get on wiki.navit-project.org or any other openid account. 12:17 #navit: < dazi> hm ... 12:18 #navit: < dazi> usul (???) made already an account for me on wiki. But its a bit confusing ;-) 12:18 #navit: < dazi> But I will have a look 12:22 #navit: < tryagain> i think i've seen somebody was suggesting to recompile navit with different cache size. Was that attempt successfull? 12:23 #navit: < tryagain> at least was it done? 14:03 -!- woglinde [~henning@g230119078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 14:05 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has joined #navit 14:11 #navit: < Tauso> Hello, i've tried to use the cmd_interface described in the wiki here: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD#cmd_interface but it doesn't work. Is the command: osd_set_attr() working at all? 14:19 -!- woglinde [~henning@g230119078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:32 #navit: < Tauso> ok, i've found the reason. osd_set_attr() was removed on svn4768 14:48 #navit: < Tauso> but the new method isn't working either. Any reason why osd[@name=="my_osd_name"].src = works (for a osd item button) and osd[@name=="my_osd_name"].label = does not (for a osd item text)? 14:50 #navit: < Tauso> I wanna change the label of the osd item depending (for example) on "route.route_status", like in the wiki 15:12 -!- dazi [54a8da30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.168.218.48] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:16 #navit: < Navit> ***** Nagios ***** 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Notification Type: PROBLEM 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Service: Current Load 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Host: localhost 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Address: 127.0.0.1 15:16 #navit: < Navit> State: WARNING 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Date/Time: Sun Feb 3 16:21:47 CET 2013 15:16 #navit: < Navit> Additional Info: 15:16 #navit: < Navit> WARNING - load average: 4.97, 4.91, 3.40 15:26 #navit: < Navit> ***** Nagios ***** 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Notification Type: RECOVERY 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Service: Current Load 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Host: localhost 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Address: 127.0.0.1 15:26 #navit: < Navit> State: OK 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Date/Time: Sun Feb 3 16:31:43 CET 2013 15:26 #navit: < Navit> Additional Info: 15:26 #navit: < Navit> OK - load average: 1.54, 2.43, 2.96 15:48 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has joined #navit 17:31 -!- woglinde [~henning@g229046073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 17:57 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:05 -!- dazi [54b868ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.184.104.172] has joined #navit 18:06 #navit: < dazi> tryagain? 18:21 -!- woglinde [~henning@g229046073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27 -!- tryagain_ [~tryagain@178.216.76.15] has joined #navit 18:27 #navit: < tryagain_> re dazi 18:28 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28 #navit: < tryagain_> Tauso Navit currently doesnt support setting the label attr of osd text item. That shouldnt be difficult to add it. 18:30 #navit: < dazi> i tried with an other map. but there must be something more that i have to change 18:33 #navit: < tryagain_> hm... you may try http://yadi.sk/d/jHVsjgxk2KAm5 , which is wince exe file coimpiled with decreased CACHE_SIZE option to 256k. Default is 1mb. 18:35 #navit: < dazi> just replace the default - exe? 18:35 #navit: < tryagain_> yes 18:47 #navit: < dazi> :-) 18:47 #navit: < dazi> i could select city, street and housenumber :-) 18:48 #navit: < dazi> slowly - but at least much more than b4 18:50 #navit: < dazi> tomorrow i will use in real :-) 18:52 #navit: < dazi> hihi - now he is talking to me (follow the street for 300m) :-) 18:53 #navit: < dazi> but the change of the map raised another question: in case i am somewhere abroad ... how do I change the map? 19:10 #navit: < dazi> i got it 19:10 #navit: < dazi> i have to change the country 19:12 #navit: < tryagain_> i would not recommend having multiple binfiles activated during routing on such a decent device. You may set the active tag of currently unneded maps to no in navit.xml. When needed, you can enable these maps through gui. 19:13 #navit: < tryagain_> one big map would be better than multiple small 19:13 #navit: < tryagain_> ... unless you deactivate unneded maps as described before 19:15 #navit: < tryagain_> btw talking feature is probably eating some memory too. It can be compiled without speech support. 19:15 #navit: < dazi> hm ... maybe an option 19:16 #navit: < dazi> but i was just playing a bit with muliple maps 19:16 #navit: < dazi> now i have two maps, and just deactivated the one. 19:16 #navit: < dazi> as u said 19:17 #navit: < dazi> as of now this works. 19:18 #navit: < tryagain_> that should improve performance and reduce memory requirements if the map regions are close enough even if they do not visually intersect. 19:18 #navit: < dazi> well ... i used the philippines :-) 19:18 #navit: < dazi> not that close to germany :-) 19:19 #navit: < tryagain_> i dont think it would interfere very much :) 19:19 #navit: < dazi> I will use it tomorrow in real. then we will see. 19:19 #navit: < dazi> but at least ... it looks mauch much better now :-) 19:19 #navit: < tryagain_> good luck 19:21 #navit: < dazi> ahh - i just see. this one is ever newer than the one I used b4 (I had 5333) 19:21 #navit: < tryagain_> well i would not expect very much of that change, as you now have only 750 extra kb free from 64mb eaten up before... 19:22 #navit: < tryagain_> we have nightly builds, so you can always take the newer version to play with 19:23 #navit: < dazi> i know 19:23 #navit: < dazi> i still have too much other things to learn about navit 19:24 #navit: < dazi> the xml is the most heavy thing 19:24 #navit: < dazi> so i prefere to stay at one version and play with the other things 19:24 #navit: < dazi> not to change two things in parallel 19:26 #navit: < tryagain_> good idea, but occasionally we have older bugs fixed or new features added. So it would be wise to get in sync sometimes. 19:28 #navit: < dazi> i know. but in that case i will return to a version with default cache 19:29 #navit: < dazi> but reagrding the maps and the activation/deactivation in gui: 19:30 #navit: < tryagain_> yes. We probably need to make cache runtime-configurable... 19:30 #navit: < dazi> can i put to maps in one mapset? 19:30 #navit: < dazi> one activate, the other deactivateed? 19:30 #navit: < tryagain_> two? yes you can. 19:30 #navit: < tryagain_> and even more 19:31 #navit: < dazi> and the change that with the gui? 19:31 #navit: < dazi> hm ... 19:31 #navit: < tryagain_> you can't have more than one active mapset 19:31 #navit: < dazi> slowly :-) 19:31 #navit: < tryagain_> settings->maps 19:31 #navit: < dazi> today I learned to have several maps :-) 19:32 #navit: < dazi> in the xml, one is active, the other deactiv. 19:32 #navit: < dazi> but I can not activeat in the gui 19:33 #navit: < tryagain_> go to settings, select maps 19:33 #navit: < dazi> in the gui, I see only the one which is activated in the xml 19:33 #navit: < tryagain_> hm 19:33 #navit: < dazi> yes. thats where I am 19:34 #navit: < tryagain_> are you sure you use attribute "active" as i said and not use "disabled"? 19:37 #navit: < dazi> oups ... 19:37 #navit: < tryagain_> i sometimes mix them myself :) 19:37 #navit: < dazi> :-) 19:38 #navit: < dazi> u know them ... I dnt :-) 19:38 #navit: < dazi> i am sure, the "active" is somewhere explained? 19:39 #navit: < dazi> in some wiki or whereever? :-) 19:39 #navit: < dazi> i will find it. just give me a few hours ;-) 19:39 #navit: < tryagain_> if you cant find it, feel free to add 19:39 #navit: < tryagain_> :) 19:39 #navit: < dazi> ha??? 19:40 #navit: < dazi> how can I add? 19:42 #navit: < dazi> grrr ... how does the active look like? 19:43 #navit: < dazi> 19:43 #navit: < dazi> like this? 19:48 #navit: < dazi> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration#Maps_Options does not know about that 19:48 #navit: < dazi> but http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Navit/Android has this attribute already :-) 19:52 #navit: < dazi> great. its working 19:52 #navit: < dazi> today already two new things learned :-) 19:53 #navit: < dazi> so ... we will see, what happen tomorrow :-) 19:53 #navit: < dazi> thanks and Good N8 19:57 -!- dazi [54b868ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.184.104.172] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:57 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48854.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 20:00 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 20:31 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5364 /trunk/navit/navit/attr_def.h /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/itembin.c /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/maptool.c /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/maptool.h /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/osm.c: Add:maptool:Experimental option to split country indexes http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5364 20:54 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5365 /trunk/navit/navit/osd/core/osd_core.c: Add:osd_core:Allow changing osd text element label attribute from the command interface. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5365 20:55 -!- tryagain_ [~tryagain@178.216.76.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has joined #navit 21:31 -!- Tauso [5ce3728a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.227.114.138] has quit [Client Quit] 22:03 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48854.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] --- Log closed Mon Feb 04 00:00:40 2013