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13:49 #navit: < jan_> hi xenos1984
13:49 #navit: < xenos1984> hi jan_
13:49 #navit: < jan_> hab ich schon geschrieben, daß navitom bei mir funzt?
13:50 #navit: < xenos1984> ich glaube, irgendwas in der richtung, ja
13:50 #navit: < xenos1984> mit verkleinertem cache
13:50 #navit: < jan_> ist zwar mit der Routen-Verfolgung etwas langsam (z. B. bin ich schon abgebogen und fahr wieder gerade weiter, dann erst dreht sich die Karte) aber prinzipiell geht es
13:50 #navit: < jan_> uff, ich denke, ich hatte den Cache geändert. Bin mir jetzt aber nicht so sicher
13:51 #navit: < xenos1984> super - immerhin
13:51 #navit: < jan_> nur die englischen Anweisungen sind etwas unverständlich
13:51 #navit: < jan_> ist wohl amerikanisches englisch
13:52 #navit: < xenos1984> müsste hinkommen, zumindest ist das sprachausgabeprogramm von einer us-uni
13:52 #navit: < xenos1984> da fehlt es eben noch an der übersetzungsbibliothek
13:53 #navit: < jan_> was natürlich noch interessanter wäre, neben der deutschen Sprache, wenn man den TomTom mit der Power-Taste ausschalten könnte, oder in Standby schicken
13:54 #navit: < jan_> könnte man evtl. eine SD-Karte stricken, bei der Navitom gleich direkt startet? Und mit dem Beenden-Button im Menü einfach herunterfährt?
13:54 #navit: < jan_> Quasi eine SD-Karte mit der TomTom-Anwendung und Karte, und eine SD-Karte mit Navitom
13:54 #navit: < xenos1984> ausschalten ist kein problem, dafür muss man nur in der datei navit/bin/navit-wrapper das "reboot" (oder "restart", bin grad nicht sicher) durch ein "halt" ersetzen
13:54 #navit: < xenos1984> dann ist es ganz aus und muss beim nächsten einschalten neu booten
13:55 #navit: < jan_> ah, interessant
13:55 #navit: < xenos1984> in den standby schicken geht so aber nicht, das erfordert die tomtom-anwendung bzw. einen treiber, der das unterstützt
13:56 #navit: < xenos1984> man kann es auch hinbekommen, dass navit direkt startet statt der tomtom-anwendung
13:56 #navit: < jan_> ich denke, daß die TomTom-Anwendung bei meinem TomTom One XL einfach auf Standby geht. Denn wenn das voll geladene Navi einige Wochen im Schrank liegt, ist er leer gesaugt
13:57 #navit: < jan_> Wenn das mit dem Standby nicht geht, wäre das mit dem direkt auf navitom starten natürlich auch interessant. Denn an geht der tomtom ja mit der Power-Taste. Braucht man ihn nicht mehr, kann man ihn ja mit "beenden" im Menü runterfahren
13:57 #navit: < jan_> Navit ist ja relativ schnell gestartet, die TomTom-App braucht da bei mir immer ewig
13:58 #navit: < jan_> ich hab übrigens ein App auf meinem iPhone, um das Kartenmaterial von OSM zu bearbeiten. Richtig cool, von allen Dingen ist das iPhone ja oft mit dabei
13:59 #navit: < jan_> Wenn jetzt noch navit drauf laufen würde (warte noch auf die neue Version mit meiner UDID drin), würden Fehler schneller gefunden. Wobei ich natürlich nicht sonderlich rum komme
14:00 #navit: < xenos1984> wenn man direkt auf navit startet, dauert es genau so lange
14:00 #navit: < xenos1984> der langwierige teil ist das booten von linux aus dem ausgeschalteten zustand
14:06 #navit: < jan_> achso
14:07 #navit: < jan_> das Linux ist aber auf einem internen Flash, oder? Hab da zumindest nix auf der SD-Karte gesehen
14:08 #navit: < xenos1984> das kann sein, mit dem One XL kenne ich mich nicht genau aus, das ist je nach gerät unterschiedlich
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17:33 #navit: < S_E_> xenos1984 hi xenos
17:33 #navit: < xenos1984> hi S_E_
17:36 #navit: < S_E_> do you know any way to manipulate the zoom factor while navigating - if the speed is very slow the zoom factor is very high (tomtom)
17:36 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, this is the automatic zoom - this can be disabled in the navit.xml
17:37 #navit: < xenos1984> i don't know the setting name right now... something with "zoom" ;)
17:38 #navit: < S_E_> then the map is zoomed statically?
17:39 #navit: < xenos1984> yes
17:40 #navit: < S_E_> mmh
17:43 #navit: < xenos1984> autozoom_active="0" after <navit ...
17:43 #navit: < xenos1984> that's the setting
17:45 #navit: < S_E_> i found it - perhaps there should be a setting to define the zoom individually, something like a scaling factor or a characteristic curve depending on the speed
17:47 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, good point - i'm not sure but i guess this is hardwired at the moment...
17:48 #navit: < S_E_> seem to be
17:51 #navit: < S_E_> i found an austrian voice demo for  flite, which doesn't sound bad : http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/morevoices.html, choose Leo
17:54 #navit: < S_E_> the american voice telling german street names is so horrible - i sent a mail to them asking where to download the voice files...
17:54 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... not bad
17:55 #navit: < xenos1984> unfortunately the translation of the navit gui doesn't work on tomtom yet
17:55 #navit: < xenos1984> so the messages will still be in english
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17:56 #navit: < xenos1984> navit needs the gettext library for translations, and this is not included with tomtom linux (and i haven't ported it yet)
17:57 #navit: < S_E_> schade... (sorry for the german)
17:58 #navit: < S_E_> do you have any idea how many people use navit on tomtom
17:58 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... not really
17:59 #navit: < xenos1984> unfortunately i don't have a tomtom myself right now, so i cannot do much
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18:04 #navit: < S_E_> another question: you provide the binary navit package at http://www.navit-project.org/~xenos1984/ and there is another one on http://download.navit-project.org/navit/tomtom/svn/?C=M;O=D - do you know the difference? Is there any other guy who takes care about the tomtom port?
18:06 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i think this is the build that tryagain set up
18:06 #navit: < xenos1984> i don't remember the exact status of this
18:22 #navit: < S_E_> the binary files in the archives at http://download.navit-project.org/navit/tomtom/svn/?C=M;O=D are several times bigger than those you provide
18:23 #navit: < xenos1984> this must be related to the new build system
18:23 #navit: < xenos1984> i have no idea why it is doing this
18:24 #navit: < xenos1984> but i also made this experience when i tried to compile the binaries i provide with the new system
18:24 #navit: < S_E_> do they use a different compiler, linker now?
18:27 #navit: < xenos1984> no, they are still the same, but different compiler / linker flags
18:27 #navit: < xenos1984> i know how to set those with the old system (autotools), but not the new (cmake)
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19:06 #navit: < S_E_> sorry being absent, but my children wanted to eat
19:07 #navit: < S_E_> perhaps tryagain knows how to set the flags
19:11 #navit: < S_E_> xenos1984 is tryagain still active on the project?
19:12 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i don't know how actively he is maintaining this tomtom port, but he sure is actively working on other things (and he reads the logs)
19:12 #navit: < xenos1984> he might know cmake a bit better
19:13 #navit: < xenos1984> we can also ask cp15 - he should know best
19:17 #navit: < S_E_> cp15 seems to be working hardly on some important issues at the moment  ;-)
19:18 #navit: < xenos1984> i hope you mean hard, not hardly (which means "kaum" in german) ;)
19:18 #navit: < S_E_> ooops
19:18 #navit: < S_E_> of course hard
19:20 #navit: < S_E_> english adverbs - a mystery ;-)
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19:24 #navit: < xenos1984> you should try the estonian ones ;) i could not even find a rule behind all those exceptions...
19:25 #navit: < S_E_> do you speak estonian with your colleagues, not english?
19:27 #navit: < xenos1984> mostly english, but in many situations i need estonian (or russian), like right now (have to spend some time in a hospital - i'm feeling fine, just need some medication - and the nurses don't speak english)
19:30 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, and students usually give their seminar talks in estonian, too
19:30 #navit: < xenos1984> so i also need it at work
19:33 #navit: < S_E_> is estonian similar to finnish?
19:34 #navit: < xenos1984> yes - the grammar and many words are quite similar
19:34 #navit: < xenos1984> but still different enough so i don't understand finnish ;)
19:37 #navit: < S_E_> ok, i have to leave now. bye xenos and get well soon.
19:38 #navit: < xenos1984> thanks!
19:38 #navit: < xenos1984> gn8 S_E_
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