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08:38 #navit: < Usul1> can somebody confirm, that at SVN 5385 is still working?
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08:46 #navit: < Number6> IRC logs are back. The server must have been rebooted at the hypervisor level
08:48 #navit: < Usul1> thanks for that :)
08:50 #navit: < Usul1> does anybody know, how the module is called that handles routing requests?
08:50 #navit: < Usul1> My winCE refuses to display a route but currently the log doesn't contain anything meaningfull
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14:57 #navit: < Usul1> Hi, anybody an idea about this log line?
14:57 #navit: < Usul1> navit:navit_object_unref:refcount config 00562E10 0
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15:25 #navit: < xenos1984> hi Usul1, have you tried to find the reason for this in the source code? sounds like some reference count for memory management
15:27 #navit: < xenos1984> btw, i also thought about splitting the development forum in some subforums
15:28 #navit: < xenos1984> such as Core, Plugins, Maptool, Graphics, GUI, Porting / Platforms or something similar
15:28 #navit: < xenos1984> and maybe have a forum for forum feedback
15:38 #navit: <@cp15> And a end-user part maybe
15:41 #navit: < xenos1984> cp15: we already have the end-user support separated from the development part
15:42 #navit: <@cp15> Ok :-) Maybe I should take a look... Is it dangerous? Does it hurt the eye? Do I see something inconvenient?
15:44 #navit: < xenos1984> i hope not ;) and even if... i haven't chosen the style, that was Usul1 ;) (but i like it)
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16:00 #navit:  * Usul1 back from the sunlight :)
16:02 #navit: < Usul1> Hmm, strange the internal GPS works on external tools, but is not recognized by Navit correctly :/
16:03 #navit: < Usul1> log: "vehicle_wince:initDevice:Waiting to connect to COM2: baudrate=57600"
16:04 #navit: < xenos1984> which device are you using?
16:04 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, wince, obviously...
16:04 #navit: < Usul1> I unlocked my medion S3857 driving a wince core 5.0
16:05 #navit: < Usul1> my 2 new ebay units will arrive this week ;)
16:05 #navit: <@cp15> Have you found out where the routing problem is?
16:05 #navit: < xenos1984> and i guess you already checked the COM port number and baudrate?
16:06 #navit: < Usul1> yes they work with the sirftool :/
16:07 #navit: < Usul1> sadly Its hard to get any informations within this closed up system
16:08 #navit: <@cp15> sirftool might be dangerous. It might put the gps into sirf mode which cannot be used by navit
16:08 #navit: < Usul1> Here is what my log looks like: http://pastebin.com/jyXBsqTb anybody ideas? :(
16:09 #navit: <@cp15> Obviously COM2: is wrong
16:10 #navit: < Usul1> You pointing on the port or the string itself?
16:10 #navit: <@cp15> The port
16:11 #navit: <@cp15> Have you tried http://www.chartcross.co.uk/products/WM00002_details.asp already? This works quite good in finding out gps settings
16:12 #navit: < Usul1> I will give it a try, but I used this sirfstar tool
16:12 #navit: <@cp15> As I said it might be dangerous
16:12 #navit: < Usul1> and yes it uses COM2: GPS on COM2 (UART3)
16:12 #navit: < Usul1> strange :/
16:12 #navit: <@cp15> Check whether there is a menu entry or button "Switch to nmea mode"
16:14 #navit: < Usul1> ah, you think they use this properitary sirf3 bin mode?
16:14 #navit: <@cp15> Yep
16:15 #navit: < Usul1> it says it drives NMEA protocol so this seem to be ok
16:15 #navit: <@cp15> Ok, then try gpstest
16:16 #navit: < Usul1> ah damnit, it works only with Windows Mobile 5
16:16 #navit: <@cp15> And you have?
16:16 #navit: < Usul1> WinCE Core5
16:16 #navit: <@cp15> Have you tried installing it?
16:17 #navit: < Usul1> oh, this is a desktop win installer? *douh*
16:17 #navit: <@cp15> Usually it just gives a "This application might not work correctly" warning
16:17 #navit: <@cp15> If I remember correctly you can find the cabs in the installation directory
16:19 #navit: < Usul1> so this was the desktop installer that I run with wine
16:21 #navit: <@cp15> Here seems to be a cab: http://www.smartphonefreeware.org/download/gps-test-1.04
16:21 #navit: < Usul1> yep, but I'm having trouble, as the CE UI makes trouble with dialogs
16:27 #navit: < Usul1> hmm, sorry this gpstest thing is somewhat broken on my wince
16:28 #navit: < Usul1> but this unlocking package contains another tool called gpsscandaten. It conrifms my port settings as well
16:28 #navit: < Usul1> btw how is you work/business going cp15 ?
16:35 #navit: < Usul1> I think I got an idea. My config line seems to be wrong
16:47 #navit: < Usul1> offboard config editing XML sucks -.-
16:54 #navit: < Usul1> So finally I got the thing working and it finished routing
17:00 #navit: <@cp15> So routing isn't defective?
17:00 #navit: < Usul1> I will try to reproduce the defective GPS setup and try againwith simlpy "set position/destination" scenario. At least yesterday it doesn't do anything
17:01 #navit: < Usul1> cp15:  What you say about the forums, everything fine?
17:05 #navit: <@cp15> Yes, look good. I still have to look at the posts in detail
17:06 #navit: < Usul1> Don't worry the forum is about helping you to do less support, not more ;)
17:06 #navit: < Usul1> I thought about your hints concerning spending to much time setting up new services
17:06 #navit: < Usul1> maybe you are right and I was wrong ;)
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18:46 #navit: < xenos1984> i slightly restructured the forum categories - any feedback is welcome ;)
18:48 #navit: < Usul1> looks very good :) IMHO it reflects the experiences from the first weeks
18:48 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that was my motivation for these changes ;)
18:58 #navit: < xenos1984> i think a small changes to the forum rules would also be good... the part "for devs only!" (even with devs underlined) sounds like this is only for the core team and might repel users like Lusipa, who have dev related questions
18:59 #navit: < Usul1> yes, it's not more valid for all subforums
19:00 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed - and i would also remove the part "ask on IRC first before taking the effort to post here" - that sounds like: "post here only if there is no other way to get heard"
19:02 #navit: < Usul1> you are right
19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> Feel free to ask anything here related to the development process - coding, creating new features, fixing bugs and custom changes of Navit.
19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> Note: For reporting bugs, use the [url=http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Reporting_Bugs]bug tracker[/url].
19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> something like this maybe?
19:05 #navit: < Usul1> sounds good to me
19:05 #navit: < xenos1984> good :)
19:11 #navit: < xenos1984> i would also remove the "enduser only" part from the support forum permissions, and add the link to the bug tracker
19:11 #navit: < Usul1> yep
19:12 #navit: < Usul1> forum cleanup ;)
19:13 #navit: < xenos1984> exactly ;) spring cleaning, just before summer solstice ;)
19:13 #navit: < Usul1> ;)
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19:22 #navit: < xenos1984> done :)
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20:04 #navit: < xenos1984> osd_core:osd_nav_next_turn_draw:failed to load /data/C/navit/navit/build/navit/xpm/none_wh_96_96.png in 96x96
20:04 #navit: < xenos1984> wtf? am i supposed to do "nothing" there?
20:04 #navit: < Usul1> a blank icon?
20:05 #navit: < xenos1984> but which turn direction comes with a blank icon?
20:05 #navit: < Usul1> the default one? (straigth ahead)
20:07 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... but why "none"? is there one for straight ahead?
20:07 #navit: < Usul1> I ave no idea, but I that was the only aspect that came into my mind :/
20:08 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i guess i need to debug this ;)
20:10 #navit: < Usul1> I'm currently working on making a light version of the default map style :)
20:10 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, nice ;)
20:10 #navit: < Usul1> was to heavy for the medion device and had a lot of visual clutter bfore
20:11 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i see
20:12 #navit: < Usul1> I will play around with this. I already managed to outsource the style in single XML files :D
20:15 #navit: < xenos1984> that's great :)
20:15 #navit: < Usul1> but it will definitly take time to get plans of what to realize and to get the knowledge how to realize it ;)
20:16 #navit: < xenos1984> and a lot of testing, i think...
20:17 #navit: < Usul1> yes, but having a specific target makes testing easier
20:18 #navit: < Usul1> I currently read "Die 10 goldenen Regeln des Software testens"
20:18 #navit: < Usul1> Guess my master thesis is coming to an end ;)
20:18 #navit: < xenos1984> that sounds great :)
20:19 #navit: < Usul1> how is your paper going?
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20:19 #navit: < xenos1984> well, making progress ;)
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20:20 #navit: < Usul1> cool =)
20:20 #navit: < Usul1> you already checked out the FOSSGIS talks videos?
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20:21 #navit: < xenos1984> not yet
20:21 #navit: < _rd> Is anybody using the n810 builds?
20:21 #navit: < _rd> When trying to install I get
20:21 #navit: < _rd> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/navit_svn-5539_armel.deb (--unpack):
20:21 #navit: < _rd>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
20:21 #navit: < _rd> Did anybody else see that?
20:21 #navit: < _rd> ...or has anybody else this setup working?
20:22 #navit: < Usul1> Sorry, no. But I'm looking to get a n900 so I can join the testing
20:22 #navit: < _rd> Usul1, I build the n900 packages currently. They do work for me ;-)
20:23 #navit: < _rd> But you are very welcome to join :-)
20:24 #navit: < Usul1> is n800 a different ARM family?
20:29 #navit: < Usul1> _rd I was confuused, that there are currently that much OS out there for n900 (and a lot of them discontinued). You
20:37 #navit: < Usul1> hmm I'm thining if I should run a few km :)
20:40 #navit: < _rd> Ursul1, yes it is: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810#Vergleichstabelle_aller_Nokia_Internet_Tablets
20:41 #navit: < _rd> (sorry for the German, but I hope the table is understandable enough....)
20:46 #navit:  * Usul1 is a german, too ;)
20:50 #navit: < Usul1> _rd so what do you think, should we focus on single devices (as N900), or more on platforms in general (as Maemo)?
20:51 #navit: < Usul1> Oh and as you seem to be very experienced with this port, it would be great, if you could offer support from time to time :) https://forum.navit-project.org
20:54 #navit: < Usul1> (wiki ogin)
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20:56 #navit: < Usul1> ok no running, I will just drink a tea
20:56 #navit: < Usul1> bye bye
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21:07 #navit: < _rd> Usul1, maybe you read logs: the n900 is definitely the more important platform. As long as autotools are supported I can build binaries for the n900. I do not know how many n8x0 users are still out there, the device has only 128 MB RAM, not sure what navits minimum requirements are...on the other hand, the last time I tried, it still worked great.
21:07 #navit: < _rd> since there is already an automated build, it is maybe worth fixing (assuming that it is broken and the problem is not on my side).
21:08 #navit: < xenos1984> well, navit runs also on tomtom devices with only 64 or even 32MB, so 128MB should be working fine
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