--- Log opened Sat Aug 02 00:00:41 2014
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09:12 #navit: < tryagain> Navit, jump
09:12 #navit: < Navit> How high?
09:12 #navit: < tryagain> hm
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10:02 #navit: < tryagain> i0x71 can you give an example area where the search crashes for you?
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12:34 #navit: < bafplus> Anyone willing to answer some questions about Navit on Windows 7?
12:37 #navit: < tryagain> bafplus you'll need some command line program able to play wav files. Do you have one? Or another question?
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12:44 #navit: < tryagain> will be afk for a while. please feel free to ask your questions...
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13:38 #navit: < bafplus> Thanks, What is the deal with the Navit.log logfile, after 3 days of use its already about 7 GB!!! can we disable logging somewere?
14:09 #navit: < tryagain> to disable the logging completely, it's advised to delete and create a folder with name navit.log
14:11 #navit: < tryagain> bafplus though 7gb after 3 days is way too much... Didnt you enable some debugging besides default config?
14:13 #navit: < bafplus> i onlu DISABLES debugging in the xml
14:15 #navit: < bafplus> End because i'm testing some POI files with very large number of lines it makes a very large logfile because of the errorlines.
14:16 #navit: < bafplus> IS there a way to flush it bij max-filesize/lifespan?
14:19 #navit: < bafplus> But however, that isnt my biggest consern. What loads faster: Pois "embedded" within the mapfile or using a CSV file with pois?
14:19 #navit: < bafplus> I have around 1,5 milj. points....
14:22 #navit: < bafplus> Second thing is the speech. I don't want to use a synth voice but wav files. Where to find those wav-sets and how to make them work? (note that i don't have skills to build or (re)compile, i'm no c+ coder ;-)
14:24 #navit: < bafplus> Third thing: is thare a way to "send" a string to Navit? Say i have another program with adresses in them. Is there a way to send a string with country+town+street+huisenumber into navit?
14:25 #navit: < bafplus> Goal is to make a butten within my own program. When pressed the button it would start navit and instantly starts navigating to the adress suplied from the string.
14:32 #navit: < tryagain> bafplus to send navit a command you can use the shipped tell_navit.exe program. But there's currently no command to find a place by string. Note, you may have more than one result for a given query. What if your button will send you to a wrong direction?
14:34 #navit: < bafplus> Tell_navit.exe is NOT shipped with the downloaded SVN or windows installer...
14:34 #navit: < tryagain> As for POIs, I guess both ways should be almost equal, csv might even have some speed benefit, as they would be stored in the memory.
14:34 #navit: < tryagain> where you got your zip file?
14:35 #navit: < tryagain> win32_cmake build should have the file
14:35 #navit: < bafplus> http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32/svn/
14:35 #navit: < tryagain> yeah, please replace win32 with win32_cmake
14:37 #navit: < tryagain> and we have no ready wave sets. Only possibility to use one if you record it.
14:38 #navit: < bafplus> I got it from the download link on navit-project.org: http://www.navit-project.org/?page=download
14:39 #navit: < tryagain> ah, thank you. i will update that link.
14:42 #navit: < bafplus> Can you please also activate my registration to the forum? ;-) i'm still pending....
14:42 #navit: < bafplus> That explains why i miss the share folder ;-)
14:44 #navit: < bafplus> What is the best way to make custom changes thet don't get changed when updated Navit? Share folder? "custom" folder?
14:44 #navit: < tryagain> ups sorry, i have no wiki admin rights...
14:44 #navit: < bafplus> Could you bump someone who has?
14:44 #navit: < tryagain> will try to..
14:45 #navit: < bafplus> Anyhow...i make a lot of changes in the xml file and some image files, what is the "safest" way to work with costumazations?
14:46 #navit: < tryagain> well i'm unsure where these custom folders reside. You may though start navit with custom navit.xml as parameter placed anywhere you want.
14:47 #navit: < bafplus> btw..i'm asuming the programm is "portabel"? Everything is within the Navit folder? So if i copy it to say a memorystick it should work on other machines without installing?
14:48 #navit: < bafplus> So when there is an update that also involves the navit.xml i'm sort of screwed?....
14:48 #navit: < tryagain> yes.
14:48 #navit: < tryagain> and yes
14:49 #navit: < bafplus> Ok...hope there ar not many changes in the xml from the other svn u used ;-)
14:49 #navit: < tryagain> You may use xi:include feature to pull parts of original navit.xml file into your own one.
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14:51 #navit: < bafplus> if it adds something that should work, like adding pois etc, but when you do changes in the code i figure you cant pull that from another file...
14:51 #navit: < bafplus> No problem but i have to redesign my costumizations ;-)
14:54 #navit: < tryagain> if your customizations are only some osd and map rendering layout(s) you may choose to keep them in a separate files and xi:include them into the file based on our shipped config. So if that file changed, you'll have to find right places for your xi:include's
14:59 #navit: < bafplus> and what about settings...the are overwriten when updated Navit. Those are lost i guess? I read somehwere that there is a plan to cut the xml in parts for easy costimization, any roadmap for that?
15:00 #navit: < bafplus> Next question ;-)
15:00 #navit: < bafplus> I've noticed that my gps is off by about 20-30 meters when navigating. Is there some offset setting to change that?
15:04 #navit: < tryagain> no such config... may be just week signal?
15:07 #navit: < bafplus> Its only when navigating, so maybe thats the case indeed. I'm using a build in gps on my panasonic Toughbook CF-19, it works like a charm!
15:09 #navit: < bafplus> The map is refreshed and rendered every second while navigating, can this be set faster for more fluid movement?
15:09 #navit: < bafplus> (btw...sorry for the many questions....but many thanks for replying)
15:20 #navit: < bafplus> About the pois, is there a max layer level? I've added 3 cvs files (so also 3 maplayers) but 1 is not displaying....
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15:58 #navit: < Mineque> hello
15:58 #navit: < Mineque> tryagain, cmake version is working
16:28 #navit: < bafplus> The poi realy slows down the rendering (due to the amount of pois), is there a way to make a togle osd button that enebles/disables the maplayer? if yes...any help coding this within the xml would be great.
16:29 #navit: < bafplus> It should be disabled by default and enebled when pressed.
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16:42 #navit: < Mineque> you can edit xml to choose which poi category display
16:46 #navit: < bafplus> Minique, i understand that, but i want to make a button in the OSD to activate that poi layer when pressed
16:54 #navit: < Mineque> i'm not sure if possible right now
16:54 #navit: < bafplus> Same way as you do in settings-->map where you can enable or disable a maplayer. I want a button on the screen that directly enables/disables that particular maplayer
16:54 #navit: < Mineque> ?
16:56 #navit: < bafplus> Now the maplayer is always enabled in the xml. If i dont want it to be displayed a have te go to settings-->map and disable the layer
16:57 #navit: < bafplus> The goal is to do teh same action but directly with one press of a button in the gui
17:00 #navit: < Mineque> wait
17:01 #navit: < Mineque> it is possible with command
17:01 #navit: < Mineque> should be*
17:01 #navit: < Mineque> searching
17:04 #navit: < Mineque> command="gui.setting_layout()"
17:04 #navit: < Mineque> but maybe with some parameter
17:04 #navit: < Mineque> no sure dont know code
17:05 #navit: < Mineque> you can use some of gui commands with gui. prefix
17:13 #navit: < bafplus> Thanks, i think you are thinking in the right direction, however...i also don't know code that much... :-(
17:14 #navit: < bafplus> Anyone willing to help me with this?
17:18 #navit: < Mineque> bafplus maybe create ticket at trac suggestion/new feature
17:19 #navit: < bafplus> I will do that, thanks
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17:30 #navit: < bafplus> Minique, the links to you're OSD layouts is broken....
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18:20 #navit: < Mineque> bafplus, where?
18:20 #navit: < Mineque> at wiki are very old
18:20 #navit: < Mineque> but i can send you
18:20 #navit: < Mineque> url?
18:21 #navit: < Mineque> which one
18:40 #navit: < tryagain> bafplus seems to be no way to reduce polling interval besides changing the code
18:43 #navit: < tryagain>
18:44 #navit: < tryagain> above is from my experiments, may be working or not, but should be a good point to start :)
18:48 #navit: < tryagain> Mineque, both autotools and cmake versions seem to be broken in the same way. Key difference is placement of navit.xml file. I've updated the ticket.
18:48 #navit: < bafplus> I found that code but there is one big difference: Its not a defined layer, its a map within the mapset
18:49 #navit: < tryagain> so you want to disable maps rather than layers?
18:50 #navit: < tryagain> It should be possible in the same way as i suggested. Another idea would be to place your pois in separate layer and switch them on/off
18:50 #navit: < Mineque> hmm
18:52 #navit: < Mineque> weird, i would bet i tried ./osd.xml on autotools
18:52 #navit: < tryagain> you may retry :)
18:53 #navit: < bafplus> How do i do that? I just followed this guide: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Custom_POIs#Load_POIs_via_CSV
18:53 #navit: < bafplus> as you can see the poi is a maplayer...
18:54 #navit: < Mineque> already tried
18:54 #navit: < Mineque> working for both
18:55 #navit: < Mineque> tryagain, does r5028 solve no "/" issue also
18:56 #navit: < Mineque> or still there has to be slash in path
19:01 #navit: < tryagain> Mineque, 5028 works fine for me regardless of slash. But it's not yet passed nightly build.
19:01 #navit: < bafplus> tryagain, i tried using the layer "POI Symbols" and it works...almost...it does what it is supposed to do but it still "renders" the poi only doesent display them. What i want to do is disable the complete poi-set so navit doesent process them (speeding up de gui big-time)
19:03 #navit: < Mineque> tryagain, ok
19:04 #navit: < tryagain> Switching on/off poi sympbols layer is what i was suggesting. Do you use csv or textfile map? textfile is much less efficient, it rereads whole file on each redraw.
19:06 #navit: < bafplus> its textfile, for csv i only have to change "textfile" to "cvs" right?
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> no, you'll have to change file format completely
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/CSV
19:08 #navit: < tryagain> and you may have only one item type in csv file
19:09 #navit: < tryagain> and no support for lines/areas in csv file, only points (but we were talking about POIs, eh?)
19:15 #navit: < bafplus> Ok..haven't seen that one yet! Cool! Garmin native GPX is already in that format! That saves me a lot of work. But what it doesent say is how you asign a icon to it....
19:20 #navit: < tryagain> if you choose an unused type, you'll have to change poi symbols layer in navit.xml to include that type and use the choosen icon
19:22 #navit: < tryagain> another idea would be to use type like poi_custom1 and include icon_src field in your csv file, then go the same as with textfile map
19:24 #navit: < bafplus> It says: "This only works if you complie navit with the option --enable-map-csv . If you use navit from a deb package, it won't work!" , is this compiled in the latest svn?
19:24 #navit: < tryagain> let me see...
19:26 #navit: < tryagain> both win32 and win32_cmake should have it enabled...
19:26 #navit: < bafplus> hmm... is the "id" field manditory in the CSV? My csv files mis that column
19:32 #navit: < tryagain> mandatory ones are position_longitude and position_latitude
19:34 #navit: < bafplus> hmm...why o why isnt this working... ;-)
19:34 #navit: < Mineque> tryagain, is wiki server overloaded?
19:35 #navit: < bafplus> Mineque, i've noticed that to, the last days it is very slow or even not available sometimes
19:41 #navit: < tryagain> yes, it seems to be overloaded
19:49 #navit: < tryagain> bafplus any diagnostics shown? Is map visible under settings/maps? Didn't you messed up longitude and latitude?
19:54 #navit: < bafplus> It is not visable under settings....When used as txt it worked si lon/lat should be ok...
19:58 #navit: < bafplus> tryagain: something wrong with my csv: navit:attr_data_size:size for item_type unknown map_csv:map_new_csv:ERROR: Non-matching attr count and column count: 4 3 SKIPPING line: 04.39186 map_csv:map_new_csv:ERROR: Non-matching attr count and column count: 4 3 SKIPPING line: 04.39312 map_csv:map_new_csv:ERROR: Non-matching attr count and column count: 4 3 SKIPPING line: 04.39477
20:04 #navit: < bafplus> GOT IT! i missed an attr, i specified 3 attr, but the csv has 4 collumns!
20:04 #navit: < bafplus> Now it works and WOW, What a difference in speed!
20:08 #navit: < bafplus> Ans even better news!!! It also works with native Garmin GPX! I just changed poi.csv to poi.gpx and it works!!!
20:09 #navit: < bafplus> Next step: Images!
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20:27 #navit: < tryagain> images should work the same way as with textfile: add new column with file names, describe it in navit.xml
20:39 #navit: < bafplus> In my case i use the poi_custom and define the images directly in the navit.xml, this way i dont have to edit the gpx files for easy updating ;-)
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20:43 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5829 /trunk/navit/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal.c: Fix:gui/internal:Properly handle backspace button on multibyte input, were leading to crashes on some android devices. http://sourceforge.net/p/navit/code/5829/
21:12 #navit: < tryagain> if you change to inside