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11:42 #navit: < KaZeR> hi there
11:43 #navit: < KaZeR> hi Robotaxi
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13:27 #navit: < robertp> hi all
13:29 #navit: < KaZeR> hi robertp
13:37 #navit: < robertp> KaZeR, do you have news on the audio framework?
13:37 #navit: < KaZeR> i was away from computers for a few days. testing Navit in the field :)
13:37 #navit: < KaZeR> i'm getting back at it today
13:38 #navit: < robertp> and another question: on the pi i get a stack-trace-thing like java exceptions, but on my debian vm i dont...
13:39 #navit: < KaZeR> the stack trace is probably the gdb output
13:39 #navit: < KaZeR> do you have gdb installed on your debian vm ?
13:39 #navit: < robertp> ah ok. ill check :)
13:41 #navit: < robertp> seems that its not installed
13:41 #navit: < KaZeR> that would be it :)
13:41 #navit: < robertp> cool thanks
13:44 #navit: < KaZeR> np. on another topic, i had the opportunity to test the MyLink system intensively over the last days. The navigation integration sucks ( you need a dedicated app on your smartphone ) but the UI is really nice.
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13:58 #navit: < robertp> haha, this ui wont fit on 320x234px, will it?
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14:04 #navit: < KaZeR> mmm. 320x234 will be challenging indeed :)
14:04 #navit: < KaZeR> but actually it uses two small (3-4") screens instead of a big one in the car i drove
14:04 #navit: < KaZeR> resolution wasn't that big
14:07 #navit: < robertp> just kidding, but my screen only has that resolution
14:16 #navit: < juse> helloo :)
14:20 #navit: < KaZeR> hey juse
14:20 #navit: < KaZeR> btw : have you guys seen sleske's work on switching to Cairo ? http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/66/navit-gdk-cairo.png
14:22 #navit: < juse> wow!
14:22 #navit: < juse> That is impressive, kazer
14:22 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah definitely
14:22 #navit: < KaZeR> 7 years old ticket :D
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14:24 #navit: < juse> huh?
14:24 #navit: < juse> it says added 3 days ago :D
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14:38 #navit: < KaZeR> the screenshot was added 3 days ago when sleske pushed the change in github :)
14:46 #navit: < KaZeR> robertp: the dash center screen in the car i drove in the last days was using rotary encoders. i actually really liked it. mechanical feedback is great.
14:46 #navit: < KaZeR> what encoders knobs are you using ?
14:47 #navit: < robertp> oem's
14:48 #navit: < robertp> those: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-Navigation-RNS-MFD-7-612-002-019-Volume-Knob-Brand-New-Original-Spare-Part-/121290194121?hash=item1c3d757cc9
14:48 #navit: < robertp> they are coated with rubber..mjam
14:52 #navit: < juse> lol
14:56 #navit: < KaZeR> interesting thanks.
14:57 #navit: < KaZeR> i'd also love to find some usable buttons. i bought a small pcb with 5 or 6 buttons on it. it is exposed as a usb hid device, which makes it easy to use, but there's only the pcb and finding buttons to put on top of it is a real pain
14:58 #navit: < robertp> thats a real problem
14:59 #navit: < robertp> i wanted to use buttons with backlight
14:59 #navit: < robertp> and didnt find some usable
15:00 #navit: < robertp> maybe multimec buttons (with led inside) would be worth ist
15:00 #navit: < robertp> it
15:06 #navit: < robertp> http://www.mec.dk/Navigational-cap-solutions-v12-p-77.html#3
15:07 #navit: < KaZeR> that's the one i have : http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-HID-BUTTON-BOARD-FOR-7-2-DIN-BEZEL-CASE-integrated-MIC-/121696775012?hash=item1c55b16b64
15:08 #navit: < KaZeR> mmm the Navimec looks good
15:16 #navit: < robertp> but the mec buttons are just buttons without any chip nor software
15:17 #navit: < KaZeR> ok. it should be easy to bind that to an arduino or smth
15:17 #navit: < robertp> i built - in ancient times, when i was a gamer - a hid-device with a 8bit microcontroller.
15:17 #navit: < KaZeR> i'm disappointerd with this usb-hid board anyway
15:17 #navit: < KaZeR> brb, lunch itme
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17:07 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#555; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/555
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17:07 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#556; push) in navit-gps/navit (master_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/556
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17:21 #navit: < KaZeR> hey tryagain
17:33 #navit: < tryagain> hey KaZeR
17:33 #navit: < KaZeR> how are you doing ?
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17:33 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: mdankov's build (#557; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/557
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17:33 #navit: < tryagain> so so
17:33 #navit: < tryagain> :)
17:34 #navit: < KaZeR> ha :)
17:34 #navit: < KaZeR> i did some extensive testing on Android over the last days
17:34 #navit: < tryagain> cool
17:34 #navit: < tryagain> what are your results?
17:35 #navit: < KaZeR> there's good and bad. mostly good :) and some bad stuffs should be quite easy to fix.
17:35 #navit: < KaZeR> in a nutshell : it works. i drove over 1700 kms in place i've never been. I did not get lost :)
17:35 #navit: < tryagain> sounds great :)
17:35 #navit: < tryagain> wow!
17:35 #navit: < tryagain> :)
17:36 #navit: < KaZeR> the default OSD sucks, really bad. Tinkering with the xml is not an option for the android market, we need to do better
17:36 #navit: < tryagain> sure
17:36 #navit: < KaZeR> the default map layout isn't great either. i quickly reverted to the "car" one instead of the android one
17:37 #navit: < KaZeR> map download is frustrating. since i was on the road with spotty access, i was unable to use navit correctly for the first day ( because i did not download the correct map for the state before my trip )
17:37 #navit: < KaZeR> one of the most annoying thing was Navit going back to the menu when the screen is rotated. even if you are typing a search. this is bad
17:38 #navit: < KaZeR> also, i wished that we could enable logging from the UI. i would have recorded my trip, could have been useful
17:38 #navit: < KaZeR> ah, on the good news side : the pedantic profile does solve some of the routing problem i faced. so no need to move street_4 to a different level
17:39 #navit: < KaZeR> so i thought about running a small benchmark when we run navit for the first time, to determine the optimum routing profile. pedantic on a Nexus 5 is fine.
17:39 #navit: < tryagain> "going back on rotation" seems to be internal gui limitation. It has to go back when screen size is changed.
17:40 #navit: < KaZeR> ok. let's keep that in mind for QT5 then :)
17:40 #navit: < KaZeR> also i
17:40 #navit: < KaZeR> 'm tempted to remove street_1 results from the poi search result. it only create noise
17:41 #navit: < KaZeR> i'll create tickets of course, but on top of my head, this is what i remember ( i have notes )
17:41 #navit: < tryagain> i was using poi search to find streets when city boundary is broken
17:42 #navit: < tryagain> or i just do not want to go through country/city selection. Just to search a street name near the place where i am.
17:43 #navit: < KaZeR> makes sense, but we need to make this configurable. i had to go through 5 pages of results before finding what i was looking for
17:46 #navit: < tryagain> pedantic profile usability depends on dinstance and city dencity. I think you will crash your device if you plan a 1700 km route in EU.
17:50 #navit: < KaZeR> ok. another option would be to suggest to switch, or automatically use, another profile if the routing fails
17:51 #navit: < KaZeR> i did not drive 1700 at once, it was over 4 days
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17:55 #navit: < tryagain> we currently just crash when routing fails by running out of memory...
18:01 #navit: < KaZeR> i meant, if you can't find a route using the default profile ( happened to me a couple of times ) then it might be solved by using pedantic instead
18:05 #navit: < tryagain> actually there are more possibilities than just pedantic. We could jump to a level where all primary roads belong, order 10
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18:05 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: mdankov's build (#558; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/558
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18:06 #navit: < tryagain> then we could try order 12 to have secondaries
18:06 #navit: < tryagain> as a last resort, we use level 18 in pedantic profile
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18:12 #navit: < KaZeR> i like that !
18:13 #navit: < tryagain> we just need somebody to code it :)
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18:16 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: mdankov's build (#559; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/559
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18:32 #navit: < circleci-bot> Fixed: mdankov's build (#560; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/560
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18:42 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#561; push) in navit-gps/navit (master_track_version) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/561
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18:53 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah indeed :)
19:00 #navit: < tryagain> i want to have build number encoded in git tree (see *-track-version branches). I was able to push new version number to master-tracked-version during trunk-tracked-version ci.  Doyou have any cons?
19:00 #navit: < tryagain> version number is needed to buid android packages on fdrod
19:01 #navit: < tryagain> *fdroid
19:03 #navit: < tryagain> i'm a bit stuck now on how to fetch them back to trunk. It looks like automatic push won't do well here, as it may interfere with human commits.
19:03 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah. i had the same issue with translations. push requests could be a good solution
19:04 #navit: < KaZeR> currently it would require a manual approval of the PR, but we can automate that ( if the PR comes from CircleCI AND the tests passes, we can automerge )
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19:04 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: pgrandin's build (#562; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/562
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19:05 #navit: < KaZeR> do you mean build number as in CI build number? or git rev ? (i guess it's the first one, just want to be sure )
19:05 #navit: < KaZeR> sleske was working on #2, but it looks like it broke the android build ( i just fixed a bug in the test hence my last build failing )
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> yes, git rev makes no sense for android, as it's not continously increasing.
19:06 #navit: < KaZeR> btw, regarding sleske's work : looks like you are really good at the "spot the 7 differences" game, regarding the 8 shaped house :o)
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> and it's way too long hexadecimal digit
19:07 #navit: < tryagain> ;)
19:07 #navit: < KaZeR> i "solved" it for the playstore ( which has the same issue ) by using the ci build # + some value to compensate for the 6000+ svn revs
19:08 #navit: < KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/commit/2c672a7cb3129c2c41f71711c36a19a2e5612219
19:08 #navit: < tryagain> yep, we talked about it and i was going to make it more universal
19:10 #navit: < tryagain> actually we probably can trigger a gitlab ci when we successfully build master, which, in turn, would update fdroid metadata
19:11 #navit: < KaZeR> gitlab ? mmm
19:11 #navit: < tryagain> yes, they use gitlab
19:12 #navit: < tryagain> and i think i've read circleci does not have auth with it. I guess it could still be done with webhooks though.
19:13 #navit: < tryagain> but i better love solution which allows to have some version number inside our git tree, so it could be displayed in any version (linux, android, win) of navit
19:14 #navit: < KaZeR> well, another idea would be to have a file with a version that we would bump when we want to update. but i kind of like the fact that each build in master is now pushed to the playstore
19:15 #navit: < KaZeR> otherwise we could also store the id somewhere else and perform an API call on each build to increment the value
19:15 #navit: < KaZeR> but it does not help for when you build from sources yourself..
19:16 #navit: < KaZeR> that's probably the only drawback of switching to git :)
19:16 #navit: < tryagain> the only one we have discovered so far ;)
19:18 #navit: < KaZeR> haha indeed :)
19:20 #navit: < tryagain> will go to bed to query sandman for possible solutions
19:20 #navit: < tryagain> ;)
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19:21 #navit: < KaZeR> haha
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20:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_386/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.na
20:39 #navit: < Navit> avit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32_gtk_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-pro
20:39 #navit: < Navit> /navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/iphone/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed
20:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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21:38 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_386/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.na
21:38 #navit: < Navit> avit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32_gtk_cmake/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-pro
21:38 #navit: < Navit> /navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/iphone/svn/navit-svn-12307.failed
21:38 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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