--- Log opened Tue Feb 02 00:00:35 2016 00:57 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@118-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 02:13 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-khfqzozltpneiivz] has joined #navit 04:27 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #navit 06:45 -!- robertp [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has joined #navit 08:27 -!- robertp [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00 -!- juse [~juse@fow4.kyla.fi] has joined #navit 10:26 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-205-40-138.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 10:26 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: metalstrolch's build (#907; push) in navit-gps/navit (pull/71) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/907 10:26 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-205-40-138.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:31 -!- woglinde [~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net] has joined #navit 11:18 -!- jandegr [5bb62221@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.182.34.33] has joined #navit 11:38 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-khfqzozltpneiivz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:31 -!- woglinde [~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:36 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-90-121-190.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 12:36 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: mdankov's build (#908; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/908 12:36 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-90-121-190.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:58 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-80-250-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 12:58 #navit: < circleci-bot> Fixed: mdankov's build (#909; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/909 12:58 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-80-250-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:59 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-192-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 13:24 #navit: < circleci-bot> Canceled: mdankov's build (#910; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/910 13:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-192-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:35 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 13:37 -!- robertp [584aa7b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.167.178] has joined #navit 13:41 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:47 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-80-122-239.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 13:47 #navit: < circleci-bot> Canceled: mdankov's build (#911; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/911 13:47 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-80-122-239.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 13:51 #navit: < robertp> Hi 13:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey robertp 14:02 #navit: < robertp> `has someone tried the remote compiling with netbeans for the raspberry pi with navit? Wail... Ill get a link.... 14:02 #navit: < robertp> *Wait 14:03 #navit: < robertp> http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/programming-in-c/compilers-and-ides/netbeans-windows/installing-netbeans-for-c-remote-development-on-a-raspberry-pi 14:04 -!- bzed_ [~bzed@shell.bzed.at] has joined #navit 14:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> i haven't tried that. let me check the details 14:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm. 14:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> your goal is to develop under windows and produce binaries to test on the pi ? 14:09 #navit: < robertp> KaZeR: How's Qt going? I am getting (slowly) to the point where i will need a selfrefreshing GUI... :D 14:09 #navit: < robertp> Yes. The pi is in the Bedroom an there its erm... cold. 14:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha 14:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah those little devices do not produce enough heat nowadays :) 14:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> regarding QT : i have started to tinker with QT editor and QT 5.4 14:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have nothing really fancy yet, but my plan is to build a working POC so that we can rally more brains and hands 14:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> i really do miss a self refreshing GUI indeed. 14:12 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: bzed 14:12 -!- bzed_ is now known as bzed 14:13 #navit: < robertp> I'd like to contribute to the GUI... soon. 14:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> great. i'll definitely need help 14:15 #navit: < robertp> But i'd have no idea where to start. 14:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> so from the way i see it : first thing is to get familiar with qt/qml. Playing with a dummy app and the editor can help 14:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> then we need to write some code to glue that into navit. the code from Dennis and qt4 should give us some pointers about where to start 14:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> most of the work on the gui can probably be done in the gui itself, like components interactions, virtual keyboards, etc 14:36 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-147-21-112.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:36 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#912; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/912 14:36 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-147-21-112.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> yay tryagain's hard at work on maemo :) 14:45 #navit: < tryagain> KaZeR yep :) 14:46 #navit: < robertp> I saw you talking about cmake's find_program... Can i use it to find a command line tool on linux - its MPD/MPC of course. 14:47 #navit: < tryagain> robertp yes, that's what it's for 14:48 #navit: < robertp> so find_program(mpd) will do the work? 14:48 #navit: < robertp> cool. 14:49 #navit: < tryagain> but only if it's already installed 14:49 #navit: < tryagain> it would not go to internet nor write it from scratch if you're offline :) 14:50 #navit: < robertp> nah... i just want to disable the plugin while compiling if mpc/mpd is not on board 14:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain: i discussed it briefly with sleske yesterday, but i had a look at pelias, and it actually works great. so i'm going to update my googleplaces PR in the next days to switch to pelias instead 14:53 #navit: < tryagain> i think it's a good idea. We just should make sure that any our attempt to send something to internet is clear for the user 14:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> i definitely agree on that 14:53 #navit: < tryagain> there may be roaming prices, or privacy conerns otherwise 14:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> true. anyhow, this kind of service usually requires an api key. so if you build from source, you need to define it. so we just need to make sure that it's clear in the binaries's GUI 14:55 #navit: < tryagain> what would be with our binary distributions? 14:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> ideally a generic search backend or plugin that would use configurable api endpoints would be great, but i'll probably need some help to get there 14:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> regarding the binaries : when building a binary using circleci as we do for android for example, we could embed a project-wide api key in the binary. so if the use choose to use a service like pelias, and if he uses a binary built on our CI, we could distribute the key in the binary 14:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> or we can make the key readble from the config file. in this case it's clear that you can't use the service without defining your key, but it is also a bit less user-friendly 14:59 #navit: < tryagain> i guess making each user to order separate key could violate usage policies: we have not 6 requests/second split for all navit users, but each navit user is given these 6 requests/second ;) 15:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmmm well i'm not sure about that. actually it's kind of a grey area. on the other hand, we can't really publicly share our api key, otherwise anybody could use it, including for unrelated projects 15:01 #navit: < tryagain> i guess it should be verified for each service individually 15:02 #navit: < tryagain> search api is a great idea. Start it, we would help :) 15:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> well i already started it :D i just need to rebrand it from googleplaces to a generic name :) 15:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm thinking onlinesearch? 15:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> it would also make searching from different sources easy : we just need to put an icon matching the source next to each result. 15:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> and a few buttons to toggle specific backends on/off 15:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> then we circle back to the QT5 gui :D 15:06 #navit: < tryagain> hm, do we actually need a new api? Maybe search backend should be just a map driver? 15:07 #navit: < tryagain> *map plugin 15:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> we don't need a new gui just for the search backend 15:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> but, i think that we have reached the limits of gui_internal, don't you think? 15:11 #navit: < tryagain> cp15 had great ideas to extend it by translating primitives into underlaying OS (or anything like QT) primitives. If we find power to move in that direction, i think we could make it universal an usable. 15:11 #navit: < tryagain> *and 15:12 #navit: < tryagain> his idea was: gui internal describes contents, but look and layout is up to OS/QT level 15:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's a good idea. and cp15 is a really smart guy 15:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> but as you said : "If we find power to move in that direction" 15:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> two examples that are currently annoying me : you can't easily refresh a list, and you can't setup a background image 15:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> this might sound dumb, but because of that navit's design is stuck in the previous decade 15:17 #navit: < tryagain> i do not think that to be unsolvable. I even think it's way simplier than to implement a qt qui. But i think when these two problems are solved, another three would arise. We shouldn't reinvent the wheel. 15:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> i agree about not reinventing the wheel. which is also why i kind of believe that we should consider other options. It's also easier for folks to learn QT than it is to learn gui_internal 16:05 -!- jandegr [5bb62221@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.182.34.33] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:12 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-81-90-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 16:12 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#913; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/913 16:12 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-81-90-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:23 -!- juse [~juse@fow4.kyla.fi] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:26 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-160-161-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 16:26 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#914; push) in navit-gps/navit (maemo-cmake) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/914 16:26 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-160-161-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:54 -!- tryagain [~quassel@178.216.76.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 -!- woglinde [~henning@x4db48eca.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #navit 17:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi woglinde 17:27 -!- woglinde [~henning@x4db48eca.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@118-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:07 -!- robertp [584aa7b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.167.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] --- Log closed Wed Feb 03 00:00:37 2016