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08:23 #navit: < naggety> Hi again! I have built NavIt from source successfully. I expected to have more problems :)
08:24 #navit: < naggety> However, still the same problem about coasts lines. I even compiled commenting the "if (experimental)" line from here: https://sourceforge.net/p/navit/code/6018/
08:25 #navit: < naggety> But that's weird because in the bug ticket the problem was solved with that (but with higher memory usage). I am missing something?
10:39 #navit: < jkoan> naggety: the experimental thing only affects the maptool which produces the bin files. So if you want to test this you must download the opens data and run the maptool with it. Also you must activate the experimentel switch.
10:39 #navit: < jkoan> And I hope you compiled the code from github.com/navit-gps/navit not from the old Svn repo. Sorry for the trouble
10:56 #navit: < naggety> Yes, I compiled from github sources. My current version is 5.1+git:1709151019
10:57 #navit: < naggety> I'm going to try to process the OSM maps as explained here: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap
12:22 #navit: < naggety> I can't find maptool executable file. If I try to build maptool directory it doesn't seem to work, but no errors are reported. What is the right way to build maptool?
13:02 #navit: < naggety> I will continue on monday, I will check the logs to read your comments. Bye!
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15:00 #navit: < jkoan> hi anyone
15:00 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: are you online?
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16:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi jkoan
16:31 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR
16:31 #navit: < jkoan> i need help getting started with gentoo any hints? :D
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah :)
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> installation or usage?
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> for installation, i would recommend reading and following https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's quite extensive but it explains a lot of things
16:35 #navit: < jkoan> forst install :D
16:35 #navit: < jkoan> *first
16:36 #navit: < jkoan> http://mirrors.lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/releases/amd64/20160704/ is this the right for install?
16:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> livedvd allows you to use Gentoo without installing it (or install it while using it)
16:52 #navit: < jkoan> so its one way to install?
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's one way yeah. i usually use https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/  "Minimal installation CD"
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> and during the install you'll need the stage3 from the same page
16:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can also install from another linux if you have a spare disk or partition
16:54 #navit: < jkoan> is stage3 included in the live dvd?
16:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> nop, you have to download it seperately
16:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> live dvd is just a bootable gentoo with graphical environment and a ton of packages
16:58 #navit: < jkoan> okay, i will go on reading
17:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm around if you need help
17:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi KaZeR, hi jkoan
17:02 #navit: < jkoan> hi ilovekiruna
17:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: if you need help on gentoo, I should also be around most of the time
17:03 #navit: < jkoan> okay (y)
17:08 #navit: < jkoan> okay, i have the stage 3 if i have another disk mounted and unpack it in the root this should work exept that i dont have a bootloader?
17:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> still quite a bit left
17:10 #navit: < jkoan> fuuu
17:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for myself i also had to tweak the kernel to support everything
17:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but dont worry, one learns a lot
17:11 #navit: < jkoan> the installation is really complex :/
17:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: are you planning a console machine or with gui?
17:11 #navit: < jkoan> forst gui, probably later gui
17:11 #navit: < jkoan> *first
17:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> from my experience i think one can calculate 1 day for installation
17:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but then u hv really your own configured system :D
17:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> unlike the off the shelf things like ubuntu, fedora, etc.
17:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> you also learn a ton about what installing a system really means :)
17:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: i would advise installing the bare minimum, then ensuring that your system boots. There's no point installing X and Firefox if you have to do it all over again :)
17:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i think one can just learn more by installing slackware or LFS
17:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what do you think? KaZeR?
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> when i install on a new system, i install the stage3, a kernel, a bootloarder (sometimes), set the root password and i reboot
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> you might learn more using LFS yeah
17:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> tried it years back a bit, very painful
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: if your machine supports UEFI you don't need a bootloader btw
17:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but very educative
17:18 #navit: < jkoan> i already build an own system but only used it over pxe :X
17:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can install gentoo from a pxe boot btw. It's actually quite easy, and you can script it in any level of detail you want
17:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> i used to do that for work, i have some code somewhere that has been used thousands of times
17:23 #navit: < jkoan> i quit installing gentoo for today becuse i dont have enought time :X but thanks for the help :)
17:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: no problem
17:24 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: do you have some time to talk about tmc?
17:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I also had to learn that docker or two screen-setup need specific kernel options
17:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: sure
17:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah docker requires a bunch of cgroup specific settings. I don't remember having to do something specific for my dual screen though
17:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I needed it to support display-port
17:29 #navit: < jkoan> according to the tmc locations you probably want to see this: http://mhohmann.dev.openstreetmap.org/tmc/points_stats.html
17:29 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: how much do you know about tmc?
17:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: I will at least listen curiosly
17:31 #navit: < jkoan> so the tmc status of only germany is about 2% and even with 100% will not cover everything, but its a good start for traffic informations
17:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: ah, display port, makes sense
17:36 #navit: < jkoan> basicly the tmc signal contains 2 informations: an event and a location. the location is a specific point on the map (it could be coverd by osm, but as said before right now only 2% of germanys tmc location list is imported, and even its not the last one). The event then could say traffic jam in the following 5km with 20 km/h at max starting from the location point
17:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> wow that's really not a lot of points :)
17:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: is all of that managed by osm?
17:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> I know that in France only the highways are covered for example
17:39 #navit: < jkoan> i can also look into the german list which i have (last version) how much point it has (what a moment)
17:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: why are then 100% missing for france?
17:40 #navit: < jkoan> i dont know but i think noboday cares on the tmc data
17:42 #navit: < jkoan> the tables for france are one of the easiest to obtain: http://diffusion-numerique.info-routiere.gouv.fr/tables-alert-c-a4.html look at the bottom "Cederom_Alert-C_v11-0"
17:42 #navit: < jkoan> the standatizied data is in "/Data/Mff/" inside the zip
17:44 #navit: < jkoan> for example france has 27929 point defined
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17:47 #navit: < jkoan> germany has 36113 points
17:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: i think that the market is moving towards internet-enabled data distribution instead, which allows for a much, much better coverage
17:49 #navit: < jkoan> yes, thats right, but tmc has a big benefit: if you dont have mobile network its also working and is free of charge
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17:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> true
17:51 #navit: < jkoan> does the name "mhohmann" says something to you?
17:52 #navit: < jkoan> he does much work on tmc at osm and also used navit
17:55 #navit: < jkoan> ha also wrote a RDS docoder (tmc is send inside of RDS): https://github.com/xenos1984/RdsDecoder
17:56 #navit: < jkoan> and a tmc viewer: https://github.com/xenos1984/TmcViewer
18:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> quite impressive guy
18:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> xenos1984 is right here :)
18:04 #navit: < jkoan> oh :D
18:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :-o
18:04 #navit: < jkoan> i think i also talked to him sometime :D
18:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
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18:50 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what is the minimum android version navit supports?
18:59 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: do you have experience with app testing?
19:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: 4.2.2 i believe?
19:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> i can probably confirm that via the playstore console
19:08 #navit: < jkoan> ilovekiruna: not really, whay are you asking?
19:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: was curious, because am now looking at different testing frameworks
19:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> if u had, i thought of discussing
19:09 #navit: < jkoan> sorry i dont have :/
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: requirement seems to be API 7+. It means Android 2.1 minimum
20:07 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: yes https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/android/AndroidManifest.xml.cmake#L8 and target is currently 25 as described in ci/build_android.sh
20:08 #navit: < jkoan> but for now good night
20:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: was asking because it seems the different testing rrameworks have different minimum versions
21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: makes sense yeah
21:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> although i wonder if a lot of people still use Android 2.1 :)
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