--- Log opened Fri Sep 29 00:00:03 2017 00:08 -!- pmckinley2 [~Peter_McK@88-110-215-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #navit [] 03:46 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 03:46 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:03 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 04:03 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 06:30 -!- naggety [028d6217@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.141.98.23] has joined #navit 07:32 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 08:23 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@12-109-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2a02:2028:85f:e501:ec4:7aff:fe33:3dc1] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:03 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2a02:2028:626:5d01:ec4:7aff:fe33:3dc1] has joined #navit 11:21 #navit: < jkoan> Hi guys, today I worked a little bit navit Android and my first problem was the one which another person in this chat already had. It was about the "android" command which is deprecated. The replacement is sdkmanager but it's not a drop in replacement. Now I know the reason. Navit uses the android command to update the build.xml which is used by ant. But because this feature is not shipped with the tools from Android anymore we should probably pr… 11:21 #navit: < jkoan> …ovide a real build.xml our self to not rely on the dropped Android command. I will setup a new environment shortly and test again if this is all 11:26 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/android/CMakeLists.txt#L45 this is the line which is broken when we use newer tool versions of Android. It basically generates the build.xml and some other files which are irrelevant because we also provide them (configure the Java files to utf8 wich is also done by our build.propeties file) 11:38 -!- ZeroOne [~ZeroOne@91.114.11.118] has joined #navit 11:39 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@ip2505a0ef.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:46 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 12:37 #navit: < jkoan> Hi @xenos1984 12:41 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 13:00 -!- naggety [028d6217@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.141.98.23] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:06 -!- Millesimus [~Millesimu@serenity.pestnagel.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10 -!- Millesimus [~Millesimu@serenity.pestnagel.org] has joined #navit 16:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 16:25 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR 16:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: thanks for investigating the android binary issue. Could be a good use case for our CI/CD pipeline 16:26 #navit: < jkoan> CD? 16:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> continous delivery 16:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> circleci :D 16:28 #navit: < jkoan> ah i see jep 16:28 #navit: < jkoan> only know it as CI 16:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah we use it mostly for the CI part, but this kind of pipeline is usually called ci/cd. Also we do have a cd part, where we push updates to the play store 16:31 #navit: < jkoan> yep i know, but i was not that acrive in my mind that you mean that :D 16:33 #navit: < jkoan> kazer do you have a nas? ^^ 16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> not really, i use a linux box for my storage 16:36 #navit: < jkoan> i got an old wd my cloud device from someone and try to repare it right now (nowmaly the os is on the disk, but the disk is missing. But i got it booted) i try to make i tiny linux system with only borg backup and ssh on it 16:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> buildroot ! 16:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> a minimalistic bootable os can fit in 100MB 16:45 #navit: < jkoan> jep, the problem is the cpu (probably) 16:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's the issue with the cpu? 16:45 #navit: < jkoan> Marvell Armada 375 16:45 #navit: < jkoan> but i will try ;) 16:45 #navit: < jkoan> also already downloaded 16:46 #navit: < jkoan> :Ü 16:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> Dual-Core 1.0 GHz Cortex A9-Based -> should work 16:46 #navit: < jkoan> * :P 16:46 #navit: < jkoan> i will give it a try ;) 16:48 #navit: < jkoan> if its not working i will try with the sources from wd (GPS is good ^^) 16:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> gps is good? 16:50 #navit: < jkoan> *GPL 16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah :) 16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> gps is good too though ;) 16:53 #navit: < jkoan> but not as importent on a nas 16:53 #navit: < jkoan> important 16:55 #navit: < jkoan> do you want to help me with buildroot? :D 16:56 #navit: < jkoan> what software do you suggest? 16:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> how do you want to share your files to your LAN? NFS? samba? rsync? webdav? 17:00 #navit: < jkoan> i dont want to use it as a backup only device so i use ssh and "borg backup" this should be all. also of course ssh for repair update whatever, the question was more about the tools on command line bash, grep and so on 17:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah! i'd start small because you're probably going to rebuild a few times. So my advice would be to try to build a minimalistic image at first just to get a prompt. then add network and softwares 17:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> so from buildroot, build the toolchain for your setup and then build a basic image with busybox 17:02 #navit: < jkoan> the problem is that i am only able to acces the box over network (set up dhcp on host machine) so i probably need network and so on from the first time 17:04 #navit: < jkoan> on the nas bor there is an uart port but with a try it broked my ttl adapter so i cant access it. in conclusion i am basically blind on the box 17:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh, not convenient 17:09 -!- ZeroOne [~ZeroOne@91.114.11.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36 -!- noradtux_ [~noradtux@port-21439.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #navit 17:39 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2a02:2028:626:5d01:ec4:7aff:fe33:3dc1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:39 -!- noradtux_ is now known as noradtux 18:10 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: what do you think must be in a tutorial for new navit users (android), choose location and download map if in the choosen directory is no map. anything else? 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> in my opinion: 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> 1) introduction text (hello user welcome to navit...) 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> 2) if needet permissions 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> 3) where do you want to save the maps (default or choose directory) 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> 4) download map screen 18:13 #navit: < jkoan> anything else? 18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> that'll already be a big improvement. We can add more later 18:15 #navit: < jkoan> but anything missing? 18:15 #navit: < jkoan> also: youte is a designer? :X 18:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> maybe 5) tell the user where to get help : a link to the contact page or something like that 18:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah youte is going to help on the design 18:17 #navit: < jkoan> oh, and another question: i have taken a look into the apk file: we have all those _null librarys in the apk, which probably nobody will ever need on android. What about removing them? 18:19 #navit: < jkoan> also the question is if it is really needed to have map_mg, map_shapefile and map_textfile in the apk but in this case i would say some users cout benefit from them in some cases 18:19 #navit: < jkoan> youte: do you have suggestions from the UI/UX perspective on how to design the first start? 18:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> good point. i doubt that mg is really useful nowadays. also shapefile isn't great for actual routing, performances would suck 18:20 #navit: < jkoan> Mg is or is not? :O 18:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Marco_Polo_Grosser_Reiseplaner -> no work on these for the last 10 years. so we can probably remove it from android 18:23 #navit: < jkoan> if the last time "used" is mor than 10 years ago do you want also disable it in normal builds? (not remove) 18:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> we could yeah. maybe we should put that in a general cleanup task to remove/disable old and deprecated stuffs 18:27 #navit: < jkoan> du you also want to get rid of all those things under support folder? normaly every user should use the last version provided by their maintainers. But of course this could brake a lot of things. therefor its only a question 18:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> this one' 18:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> this one is trickier. some platform don't have proper support for some of the things we need 18:36 #navit: < youte> yosh 18:37 #navit: < jkoan> hi youte 18:37 #navit: < jkoan> have you seen my question? ^^ 18:37 #navit: < youte> yes i hellp to design and community manager 18:38 #navit: < jkoan> no, the question from 20:19 in my time zone so for you probably 13:19 (i forgot...) 18:40 #navit: < youte> ? i live in france ^^ 18:40 #navit: < jkoan> oh okay 18:41 #navit: < jkoan> then KaZeR was the person wo live in usa but someone else... dont care about now :D 18:41 #navit: < jkoan> did you read the full log? 18:42 #navit: < jkoan> i mean the question related to the rework on android of UI/UX 18:42 #navit: < jkoan> related specific to the first app start 18:43 -!- zintor [4e2b8a64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.43.138.100] has joined #navit 18:43 #navit: < zintor> hi @all 18:43 #navit: < jkoan> hi zintor 18:43 #navit: < youte> ha yes 18:44 #navit: < youte> the design of android is very very bad and the ui/ux is not intuitif 18:44 #navit: < zintor> a designer is on board! cool! 18:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey zintor ! 18:44 #navit: < jkoan> yes, but with the new list of the 4 point, what is missing and how should it look like? 18:44 #navit: < zintor> i tried to work on qml 18:45 #navit: < zintor> it is hard.... ;) 18:45 #navit: < youte> yes it s a good idea 18:45 #navit: < youte> hi zintor 18:46 #navit: < jkoan> youte: could you write down some things on how it should look like? i want to work on this this weekend (starding from now) 18:47 #navit: < jkoan> zintor: do you also want to add support for qml in android? this would be really nice 18:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: maybe i can help? there's a couple of things to learn but after that qml should be quite easy 18:49 #navit: < zintor> hmm...as I understand, if we have a gui in qml, we could use it for all 18:49 #navit: < youte> jkoan, ok, this night, i need to finish a project first and tomorow i could write it for you 18:49 #navit: < zintor> well, I learned some things 18:50 #navit: < zintor> but we could discuss several things: 18:50 #navit: < zintor> I will record what I have so far...it is just the qml 18:50 #navit: < zintor> not working with navit 18:50 #navit: < zintor> :| 18:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: that's fine. that's one of the point of using qml : we can seperate code from design. Someone who wants to work on the design does not need to know about the code 18:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> so any qml knowledge is good and useful :) 18:52 #navit: < jkoan> thanks youte 18:53 #navit: < youte> jkoan, more, there is a bug in navit android 18:53 #navit: < jkoan> tell me about :D 18:54 #navit: < zintor> where to upload an animated gif at best? 18:54 #navit: < zintor> any suggestions? 18:54 #navit: < jkoan> probably wiki? :D 18:55 #navit: < zintor> it is wip...early early stage ;) 18:55 #navit: < jkoan> yes, but wou can later uplod the updated version in this place 18:56 #navit: < zintor> okok 18:56 #navit: < youte> jkoan, when youclick on tools button, the icon are note as a good place 18:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: wiki for sure, we'll just update it when the time is right! 18:58 #navit: < jkoan> youte: you mean the space in the middle expands? 18:59 #navit: < zintor> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/File:Gui_qml_drawer_popup.gif 19:00 #navit: < zintor> for me: I like the drawer on the left, which calls other pages 19:00 #navit: < zintor> on the right, there is a popup thing 19:01 #navit: < zintor> drawer brings the pages into stack pages 19:01 #navit: < jkoan> wow zintor this is nice! if we woud have this on android it would be superb 19:02 #navit: < zintor> ;) 19:02 #navit: < zintor> well, I could do a "searchpage" as KaZeR did. 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: REALLY COOL! 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> this looks so much better! 19:03 #navit: < zintor> KaZeR: I could upload the files to github and you could connect it to navit ;) 19:03 #navit: < jkoan> both together would be even better (kazers work and your) 19:04 #navit: < zintor> and then, we could discuss which entries should be on the drawer 19:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: totally 19:04 #navit: < zintor> I used the icons from google material...i do not like google, but the icons are good 19:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> i like your icon theme. slick and nice. Looks like you used Png maybe ? 19:05 #navit: < jkoan> then we need to include it into android an boom: next generation navit (from user perspective) 19:05 #navit: < zintor> these are svgs 19:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. scaling looks a bit off, but it's easy to fix 19:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> checkout https://github.com/snwh/moka-icon-theme/tree/master/src/ maybe if you don't want to use google's icons 19:05 #navit: < zintor> ^^ your words ;) 19:07 #navit: < youte> jkoan, yes 19:07 #navit: < zintor> I use google's icons for the moment 19:07 #navit: < zintor> easier for me :D 19:07 #navit: < zintor> which colours to use? 19:07 #navit: < jkoan> youte: i will look into it ;) 19:08 #navit: < youte> jkoan, ok 19:09 #navit: < zintor> KaZeR: do know, if it possible to show the current street name at a qml page? 19:10 #navit: < zintor> my idea: header should always be shown with "Back to map" 19:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: yeah it's possible. let me see if we have something similar 19:10 #navit: < zintor> footer: shows current street 19:10 #navit: < zintor> well...I let a rectancle for you ;) :D 19:11 #navit: < zintor> you could fill in with navit code 19:12 #navit: < zintor> so only 4 icons on the first page search, get home, around me and bookmarks 19:12 #navit: < zintor> and header, footer 19:12 #navit: < zintor> ok for you all? 19:13 #navit: < zintor> best should be to setup a wiki discussion page for the wip qml gui 19:15 #navit: < jkoan> wiki discussion is a little bit slow 19:15 #navit: < jkoan> it would be better so even code together ;) (probably c9.io?) 19:17 #navit: < zintor> don't know c9.io 19:18 #navit: < zintor> should also work with github, or? 19:18 #navit: < zintor> I will create a wiki page 19:18 #navit: < zintor> and some questions 19:19 #navit: < jkoan> yes, it works with github. Its a ide in the cloud with a vm behind it 19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/QML2_GUI ;) 19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: a good approach could be to push your code in the qt5_qml_gui branch 19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> just create a folder in the "skin" directory : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/tree/qt5_qml_gui/navit/gui/qt5_qml/skins 19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> this way you can focus on the qml part and i'll fill the holes 19:22 #navit: < zintor> ok 19:25 #navit: < youte> zintor, if you need i draw a icon it's not a probleme 19:26 #navit: < zintor> that would be cool! 19:26 #navit: < zintor> this give navit an individual touch! 19:26 #navit: < youte> yes google.. not cool xD 19:27 #navit: < zintor> for now I use google icons to show what it should be ;) 19:27 #navit: < zintor> after all is done, we could use yours 19:28 #navit: < youte> yes i cant improve later 19:28 #navit: < youte> ok :D 19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah we really need a consistent icon theme. currently we have icons from different sources, so colors and design aren't homogeneous 19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/QML2_GUI i added your demo :) 19:30 #navit: < zintor> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/QML2_GUI_WIP 19:33 #navit: < zintor> unfortunately my time at the moment is (again) limited...the time flies by 19:33 #navit: < zintor> At first I clean up again and do the following: 19:34 #navit: < zintor> create the homepage and a searchpage 19:34 #navit: < zintor> and upload it 19:34 #navit: < zintor> and KaZeR you could implement the navit stuff 19:34 #navit: < zintor> after that we could implement more 19:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> sounds good. It could be nice to use something like balsamiq to work on the UI ideas 19:36 #navit: < zintor> unfortunately not free, or? 19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> not free no, but maybe there are alternatives 19:36 #navit: < zintor> https://pencil.evolus.vn/ 19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've used this one in the past, easy and efficient 19:37 #navit: < zintor> any experience on pencil? 19:37 #navit: < zintor> brb 19:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've seen it before but never used it. Looks like a good fit we should try it 19:58 -!- D_a_n [567f9f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.127.159.158] has joined #navit 20:00 #navit: < D_a_n> hello, great work btw, but like you presume, i am here to search for help/hint and i will appreciate 20:00 #navit: < D_a_n> i'm havin issues to find a skin for 800x480 16:9 resolution 20:01 #navit: < D_a_n> on raspberry i'm using it 20:01 #navit: < D_a_n> i have tried to do a customization by hand, no succes 20:02 #navit: < D_a_n> also, navitconfigurator should be helpful but i'm unable to install even from source on raspberry 20:05 #navit: < zintor> re 20:05 #navit: < zintor> hi D_a_n 20:06 #navit: < D_a_n> hi 20:07 #navit: < D_a_n> sorry if on this channel you are not dealing this kind of questions, but i have manage to put together all for a carpc and this it's the only most important this that i'm missing 20:08 #navit: < D_a_n> the main porpoise, in fact :) 20:08 #navit: < D_a_n> navit working 20:09 #navit: < zintor> there are some people who have also a carpc with navit running 20:09 #navit: < zintor> here on the channel 20:09 #navit: < zintor> using rpi 20:11 #navit: < D_a_n> the main issues is that it's needed to resize the pictures for all the icons for each resolution, at least at this point of understanding i am 20:12 #navit: < zintor> there are some osd layouts on the wiki 20:12 #navit: < zintor> just searching... 20:13 #navit: < D_a_n> i have found'it i hope all, there is a 800x480 but it's not made for landscape view 20:15 #navit: < zintor> post link pls 20:16 #navit: < D_a_n> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts 20:18 #navit: < D_a_n> think i got'it somwhere below on the page 20:18 #navit: < D_a_n> but stuck on the resize part 20:22 #navit: < zintor> you could also try it with 854x480 (FWVGA) https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts#854x480_.28FWVGA.29 20:23 #navit: < zintor> and adjust the positions 20:23 #navit: < zintor> more to read here: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD 20:23 #navit: < D_a_n> on the "Dirk205's layout for landscape WVGA" that match my needs the resized icons are required but the download link of the package it's broken 20:25 #navit: < D_a_n> i have to manage somehow, at least this i can do for a free navigation :) 20:26 #navit: < D_a_n> i will try to use navitconfigurator for windows ( on raspbbery jessie even from binary it's not working) 20:26 #navit: < D_a_n> and use the hints from the link that you gave me 20:27 #navit: < D_a_n> thanks zintor 20:27 #navit: < zintor> np 20:28 #navit: < zintor> navitconfigurnavitconfigurator is running on windows 20:29 #navit: < zintor> feel free to show your osd layout! 20:33 #navit: < D_a_n> all console configuration worked like a charm but stuck in pictures and colors part , like always :) 20:33 #navit: < D_a_n> hope soon i will be able to have a nice look and share 20:40 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: do you have time to view on a new PR? 20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi D_a_n 20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm using navit on a carputer too. Have you seen our recent work on a new UI? 20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: sure 20:49 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: #315 20:49 #navit: < jkoan> It's a no brainer mortgage or less 20:49 #navit: < jkoan> *more 20:50 #navit: < jkoan> Fucking Auto correction 20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha 20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: draw.io could be a good option too. I like the fact that it's web based 20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> they have stencils for android and general UI mockups 20:53 #navit: < zintor> why not 20:54 #navit: < zintor> I have a look at it 20:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> great. we can export draw.io diagrams as xml to version them, so it could be nice 20:57 #navit: < zintor> directly with the github saving option on draw.io? 20:57 #navit: < zintor> or save on device? 20:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh yeah they have that too. even better :D 20:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll create a repository for that and import some basic mockups 21:00 #navit: < zintor> okidoki 21:00 #navit: < zintor> I have to go now 21:00 #navit: < zintor> ca all 21:00 #navit: < jkoan> I really like draw.io (used it often as a replacement for M$ visio) 21:01 -!- zintor [4e2b8a64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.43.138.100] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:07 #navit: < D_a_n> KaZeR: hello 21:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> D_a_n: i have to step out for an hour or two but i can help you and i'd love to learn more about your setup 21:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll be back 21:11 #navit: < D_a_n> i will be here, untill morning working on it :) 21:11 #navit: < D_a_n> (00:11 local time) 23:03 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E6F4E00022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:17 -!- D_a_n [567f9f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.127.159.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:19 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E64F200022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 23:19 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sat Sep 30 00:00:04 2017