--- Log opened Sun Oct 01 00:00:06 2017 00:03 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E4AD600022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:16 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E36BE00022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 00:16 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ 00:32 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:29 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-55268.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:28 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-8044.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #navit 04:12 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 07:16 #navit: < youte> hi all 07:28 #navit: < jkoan> Hi youte 07:29 #navit: < jkoan> I have seen the "first step" its a way better rework of that what I did right? 07:32 #navit: < youte> yes i thinks 07:32 #navit: < youte> -s 07:46 #navit: < youte> it's good for you? 07:59 #navit: < youte> oi upgrade first step 08:07 #navit: < jkoan> Yes, I think this would be way better than before yes 08:12 #navit: < youte> ok cool ithink to add a tutorial for new user 08:13 #navit: < youte> it s a godd idea? 08:16 #navit: < jkoan> What do you think should be in a tutorial? 08:33 #navit: < youte> show different buttom 08:33 #navit: < youte> to help first use! 08:34 #navit: < youte> and best first experience 08:50 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 08:54 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02 #navit: < jkoan> You mean to show what each button in the main menu is doing? I would more suggest to redesign the main menu in a way that even the dumbest assumable user will understand what to do 09:42 #navit: < youte> ok 10:22 #navit: < youte> for exemple, you want to change the icon magnifier for another icon more intuitif? 10:48 #navit: < jkoan> no, i think the biggest problem is the menu structure 10:59 #navit: < youte> the exemple when i begin in landscape is not good? 10:59 #navit: < youte> i check many gps, it's use lot of time 11:06 #navit: < jkoan> i think its way better then now, but its probably not the best. We can improve it even more 11:09 #navit: < jkoan> sorry for the big delay, i am now the most time afk 11:16 #navit: < youte> ok 12:42 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 13:23 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:08 -!- D_a_n [567f9f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.127.159.158] has joined #navit 14:09 #navit: < D_a_n> @KaZer hallo again 14:10 #navit: < D_a_n> about route time estimation, there is a way to put a penalty for each turn it's on the path? 14:11 #navit: < D_a_n> it will be more accurate i think 14:25 #navit: < jkoan> Hello D_a_n 14:26 #navit: < D_a_n> hi 14:28 #navit: < jkoan> I don't know if it's possible right now, but I remember a ticket which requested a new algorithm for that. My idea would be to log more what the driver is actually driving and calculate a factor from that and recalculate the time which is actually needed 14:29 #navit: < jkoan> So basically a intelligent reprocessing of the actual needed time 14:31 #navit: < jkoan> I also working on processing the traffic messages from the fm service tmc which has a good worldwide coverage 14:48 #navit: < D_a_n> in a dayli bases, navigation it's needed to go in new places so recalculating based on log it will have a little impact 14:49 #navit: < D_a_n> traffic messages implementation it's quite ok 14:51 #navit: < D_a_n> but, for now, i was thinking to something more easy, like numbering the direction changes and consider the speed like a ....roundabout by example 14:51 #navit: < D_a_n> and add to total time estimationof travel 14:55 #navit: < D_a_n> first approach that i was thinking was to set a lower speed on the each type of the road, but by example if i travel only on one highway, it will not be so good 14:56 #navit: < jkoan> I think some of the things are possible if you look on the vehicleprofile (at least I think). I am not really good at configure navit, so you might want to wait again for KaZeR 14:57 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: please also leave your feedback for #776 ticket 15:05 #navit: < jkoan> youte: currently if you start navit it shows you a map, but normally you want to navigate the somewhere. Would it make sense to ask "where do you want to go" on startup? We could add some options like "home" "around me/Poi" "Address" and "show map". The idea behind is not to show the map first. So you can start faster to reach your destination 16:28 #navit: < youte> jkoan, ha ok i understand! 16:29 #navit: < youte> i make this tonight 16:29 #navit: < jkoan> good idea? 16:30 #navit: < youte> yeah, the user have need to do the less possible? (i'm not sur if it's english lol) 16:31 #navit: < jkoan> yep, right :) 16:32 #navit: < youte> ^^ 17:14 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: for android build, why we have the AVOID_FLOAT ? most android devices have a FPU so it should not take to much cpu power 20:00 -!- zinto [4e2b8a64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.43.138.100] has joined #navit 20:00 #navit: < zinto> hi @all 20:00 -!- zinto is now known as zintor 20:00 #navit: < zintor> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/QML2_GUI_WIP#Colors 20:01 #navit: < zintor> are you ok with google material suggestion? 20:02 #navit: < zintor> do we need a day and night gui with different color scheme? or a "nice to have"? 20:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 20:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey D_a_n 20:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: about android and avoid_float it's probably for really old devices 20:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> zintor: i do agree that we need a palette, but maybe defining our own would be better. that palette looks really android-like to me (iphone user here) 20:09 #navit: < youte> hi KaZeR 20:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> D_a_n: currently travel time estimation is based on the forecasted speed on each segment. We can implement penalties when changing segments though, just need some code 20:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey youte 20:11 #navit: < youte> have you seen file xml? 20:14 #navit: < D_a_n> hello 20:16 #navit: < youte> hello D_a_n 20:17 #navit: < D_a_n> congrats on the new look for the gui 20:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks! a major UI overhaul is long overdue, but we'll get it done :) 20:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> D_a_n: do you have any coding skills? 20:23 #navit: < D_a_n> i was not codding nothing for almost 10 years due to a career change, now just trying to came back to an old passion 20:23 #navit: < D_a_n> but, some old stuff php, sql...if i remember well :) 20:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok :) if you want to practice we can help you get back in the saddle ;) 20:24 #navit: < D_a_n> now, i have some spare time and it's the most relaxing thing it's to play with arduino/pi and stuff :) 20:25 #navit: < D_a_n> thanks, if it's helpful, i can test maybe on raspbery and couples of android devices 20:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> definitely! i also want to know more about your carputer project! 20:28 #navit: < D_a_n> in the mean time, i have manage to solve the skin issue, also the voice guidance and now i'm trying to get some nice satellite maps, useful where are little issues with the roads on openstreet maps 20:30 #navit: < D_a_n> regarding my carputer, i was started with a premade image, quite well done, but allot of work in the customization 20:31 #navit: < D_a_n> the final scope will be to have beside multimedia, navigation a log with data from odb and gps, also using some arduino i will try to make auto climate controll 20:32 #navit: < D_a_n> controlling the washers, lighs :) 20:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's a lot of overlap with my own project we could benefit from working together 20:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> what premade image did you use? 20:33 #navit: < D_a_n> https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/engineeringdiy/index.php 20:34 #navit: < D_a_n> i was fount here an image and some hints 20:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah yeah that's the kodi based one 20:37 #navit: < D_a_n> yes, due to fact that in the past i was working on linux, android it'a a little upper level for a coming back 20:37 #navit: < D_a_n> for me at least 20:41 #navit: < D_a_n> about adnroid app, i just installed on a new device and when i have tried to open directly from google store i was received a crash message, and if i want to send logs 20:42 #navit: < D_a_n> it was happend due to permission rights, in the background was the pop-ul with allow/not allow for gps and location 20:42 #navit: < D_a_n> after that all was fine 21:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks yeah we discussed that issue yesterday actually 21:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: do you have an idea about how to fix it? 21:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> D_a_n: i've been working on building an image to use navit directly on the pi. Currently the image is about 200MB, and the goal is that you flash it and you're ready to go 21:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> what is your source of music in your car? 21:07 #navit: < D_a_n> phone and radio, mainly radio for the news 21:08 #navit: < D_a_n> phone bluetooth connected 21:11 #navit: < D_a_n> i have seen that are great issues with bluetooth, for a quick test i have send nmea data from android to pi and all worked well 21:13 #navit: < youte> KaZeR, have yiu see file xml? 21:16 #navit: < D_a_n> sorry about flooding the channel, one question navit related, it's possible to find the xml files ( gui part,collors, etc) used for android app somewhere? 21:17 #navit: < D_a_n> it's looking nice 21:28 -!- D_a_n [567f9f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.127.159.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:55 #navit: < zintor> i am open for all kind of color schemes! :) 21:55 #navit: < zintor> just post it to the wiki page 21:55 #navit: < zintor> gn8 all 21:56 -!- zintor [4e2b8a64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.43.138.100] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Mon Oct 02 00:00:08 2017