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00:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:39 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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10:09 #navit: < jkoan> Related to T#417 what about something like driver profiles (exactly for navigation devices)
10:14 #navit: < jkoan> Why? It is simple, tracing the driver while driving and get the speed he is really driving will help to calculate the Eta. We need to write this down and can relay the speed he is actually driving. Also in future we can add this to the traffic plugin feature to exclude slow driving from the driver profile but not from the eta
10:16 #navit: < jkoan> Driver profiles can help if you have more then one driver in a car which act not all the same. But this would be an addition to the ticket I mentioned
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15:55 #navit: < jkoan> youte: T#1226 could be interesting for you. Personally I like the satellite strengths on the top right, what do you think?
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15:57 #navit: < jkoan> Hi j_f-f
16:00 #navit: < youte> i go to see
16:01 #navit: < jkoan> Nice :)
16:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
16:49 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR
17:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: https://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/555 is probably a perfect hacktoberfest ticket indeed
17:28 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: i added it 7 hours ago
17:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> i saw :)
17:51 #navit: < jkoan> i think i will try to work on trac cleanup while i sitting in train tomorrow (just like today)
18:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> awesome. that's really helpful
18:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi all
18:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: not sure if we can fill 45 minutes
18:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I wonder a bit what all to talk about
18:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> lightning should be possible to fill, 15 minutes
18:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what do you think?
18:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> it depends of the scope you want to focus on. You're the one who's going to do the talk so ultimately it's up to you. Happy to discuss a few ideas if you want
18:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I mean i can give a brief intro of Navit, then a little motivation why what i do, is useful and then show-casing maybe a test and some lessons learned
18:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: we can probably fix this one for the next release, no? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1353
18:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: sounds good!
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: do u hv some ideas how one could enlarge it to 45 minutes?
18:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> one approach would be to dig a bit deeper in our ci. 15 minutes on the CI itself, and then 10/15 minutes on the automated device tests. With a 5 minutes intro, you've already got 30 minutes
18:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> we could talk also about our legacy build system, how it worked, why we choose to switch to circleci. that's 5/10 more minutes
18:36 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so a complete overview of our testing system?
18:36 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sounds interesting, but i will need to have quite some content from u then
18:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that it could be a good use case. Our testing system is incomplete as of today, but our build system is quite badass
18:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> absolutely, happy to help you build content
18:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i registered now at the FOSDEM website
18:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool. we should talk about expenses too after that. IIRC, main track speakers get a free entrance, right?
18:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> wrong
18:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah :D
18:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: There is no entrance fees
18:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> FOSDEM is just funded by donations and sponsors
18:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> so i'm confused with another conf. but that's good :)
18:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and a lot of volunteer work
18:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: If i manage to present u will be able to c me in live-stream :-S
18:40 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: yes, I added it to 0.5.2
18:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: it seems one maybe can also submit in steps
18:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> at least for now
18:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: any idea for a better title? Building and testing Navit GPS application
18:41 #navit: < jkoan> Ich think for presentation lagacy things are not so good, also you normally use more time in real life than you think, even if you practice it
18:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> denglish? jkoan? :-D
18:42 #navit: < jkoan> Fucking auto correction on handy
18:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> :D
18:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i'll think about the title. It could be a good start. I know a few folks who often speak at public conference, i can ask for tips/review also
18:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: if you present i'll definitely be watching
18:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i already presented for my work in some conferences
18:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so not totally new for me as well ;-)
18:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool!
18:45 #navit: < jkoan> But see it from the other perspective, I write to navit even from smartphone ;) which is sometimes really annoying because there is no really good irc app
18:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> true
18:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: now to show off a little ;-)
18:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> https://scholar.google.se/citations?user=D35DGpcAAAAJ&hl=sv&oi=sra
18:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> wow nice. respect!
18:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thanks, but i still feel too little. No Phd ;-)
18:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> you're still working on your phd right?
18:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I just start with it again
18:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> like always :-D
19:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha
19:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: from weekend next week i will be away for 9 days on holidays, that's why would be nice to finish before ;-)
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> sounds good. how would you like to collaborate? what tool do you usually use to craft a presentation?
19:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so far I had to use powerpoint 
19:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> not sure how flexible FOSDEM is
19:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just for maximum geekness factor of course sozi would be awesome
19:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but as i said not really sure
19:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sozi: http://sozi.baierouge.fr/
19:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: Can you offer us a online office on your nextcloud instance?
19:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh i've seen presentations made with tools like sozi, but didn't know what tool was used
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: we could also host a cloud.navit-project.org instance. i could sponsor the resources
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've been thinking about this for some time. My car is actually connected to my cloud, to backup my bookmarks and sync my logs
19:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: actually my server was similar idea, wanted to build my own cloud
19:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just stuck ;-)
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> your server?
19:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yap
19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've been using owncloud for that for several years. quite happy with it.
19:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i was actually planning beyond owncloud
19:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> own buildbot instance
19:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> own xmpp server or video chat
19:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> voip
19:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so i just kept it on LAN
19:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: what could be the timescale for cloud.navit....?
19:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> could have it running today probably. it's quite easy to setup
19:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's even already packaged for docker : https://hub.docker.com/_/owncloud/ so easy to setup
19:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was expecting a docker image
19:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> we would have to think about usage restrictions (disk quota) and it would be nice to have the account linked to the wiki account
19:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jsut hope the image requires a custom password ;-)
19:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> i guess that it will redirect you to the wizard for configuration
19:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm on something now but i can look at it in a hour or so
19:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, sure
19:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i noticed that your answers are a bit timed ;-)
19:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> trying to stay focused and not get all over the place :)
19:34 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, then lets continue in an hour, ping me
19:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> will do
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19:50 #navit: < jkoan> If wanted I can also provide access to my cloud yes :D
19:50 #navit: < jkoan> Sorry, I was afk
20:35 #navit: < jkoan> Good bye, see you tomorrow
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> ++ jkoan 
21:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: back?
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21:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: https://cloud.navit-project.org
21:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> this is a test setup, no guarantee on data safety :)
21:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you give me your gpg key i can send you the admin pass
22:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> how does the gpg key help? u send in an encrypted mail?
22:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> pretty much yeah
22:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> don't want to share in cleartext :)
22:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> maybe later, can i use forum username and password?
22:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's not plugged into the wiki ldap for now. really basic setup
22:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> but nothing urgent
22:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, but apart from admin, can u make me an user?
22:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> username:  like my nick here ;-)
22:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah sure
22:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> done. you can probably guess the password, and you should probably change it :)
22:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just to be curious, how does owncloud is password saving?
22:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hashed and salted?
22:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep
22:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> done
22:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> new password
22:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> really basic, only files app
22:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah. my idea was to use webdav to provide synchronization of some files. Like your config, your bookmarks, your logs
22:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> it would allow us to provide device-to-device sync
22:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I c, i was thinking along the lines of even working online ;-)
22:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> is there any Navit-Project template?
22:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh! well feel free to install any app. i'll add you to the admin group
22:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> this is a test setup and it's easy to purge if needed
22:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> you're an admin
22:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> tried a bit, didnt work exactly like what i wanted
22:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> never midn
22:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for now just sharing via webdav should be good enough
22:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was looking at onlyoffice and the collabora libreoffice online
22:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will c if i can manage a brief template tomorrow
22:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i need to sleep now
22:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> if you want or have you can already start a template to use
22:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> i don't have one, but i'll try to have a look
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> apparently it works with my owncloud-client :-o
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would be already good if you have an idea about the title
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> good night
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> c u tomorrow again
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