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00:54 #navit: < Celelibi> Damn, since the last update I no longer have any icon.
00:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> Celelibi: yeah sorry about that :( we have issues with our build system
00:55 #navit: < Celelibi> Is there a quick and dirty way to fix that?
00:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> one way would be to install an older apk manually. unfortunately the play store doesn't allow downgrades
00:58 #navit: < Celelibi> Wouldn't adb let me do this?
00:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep, it would
00:58 #navit: < Celelibi> So I just have to find an older apk.
00:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> let me see if i can pull it from the store for you
00:59 #navit: < Celelibi> thanks
01:00 #navit: < Celelibi> That being said, it's still somewhat usable.
01:00 #navit: < Celelibi> I just have to try multiple time to click on the tiny text with my big fingers. :)
01:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok try http://sd-55475.dedibox.fr/1708012011.apk 
01:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's the previous prod one
01:05 #navit: < Celelibi> Hm.
01:05 #navit: < Celelibi> Failed to install 1708012011.apk: Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE]
01:05 #navit: < Celelibi> Even with -d option.
01:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> :(
01:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> maybe uninstalling the current one first would work?
01:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's no `force` option i guesS>
01:07 #navit: < Celelibi> No chance I would loose my map by uninstalling, right?
01:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> can't guarantee it.. so let's find another way until i can actually test it
01:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> i don't use android myself, only to run tests from time to time
01:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> can you try "adb install -r -d <file>" >
01:09 #navit: < Celelibi> I did. It changes nothing.
01:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> :(
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05:06 #navit: < jkoan> Celelibi: if you uninstall Navit it should not remove the map if you have it inside the external storage. Also I I remember right you should be able to remove it without any problems with the package name (org.navitproject.navit) not only the display name. Or you build yourself a own version of the apk which will ger a new id and should be installable.
05:10 #navit: < jkoan> Celelibi: also you said it's currently unusable because it's to small. Do you mean in general or only if the icons are missing?
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08:24 #navit: < naggety> kazer: about PR #365, I fixed the comments style yet. Anything else I must do?
09:37 #navit: < Celelibi> jkoan, I said it's usable.
09:37 #navit: < Celelibi> But without icons I have only the area of the text to click on.
09:38 #navit: < Celelibi> And building my own apk is something I tried some time ago, but I had some issues with the toolchain.
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13:14 #navit: < naggety> Anybody knows what text-to-speech is the better to be used with navit?
13:15 #navit: < naggety> with good support to languages other than English, specially Spanish
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17:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> naggety : i am guessing that your question is for the linux platform?
17:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm not aware of a good TTS software for linux. If you have internet access with your devices, services like voicerss.com are better.
17:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can make a call and have a script cache the result
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18:37 #navit: < MarcR> Hi Guys 
18:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey MarcR 
18:38 #navit: < MarcR> hi KaZeR 
18:45 #navit: < MarcR> will be back ;-) 
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19:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi MarcR
19:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi KaZeR
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey ilovekiruna 
19:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: do you also have experience with .net?
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19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> i tried it years and years ago for one specific project.. that's pretty much it :)
19:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i was trying sth recently and had weird results
19:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thats why i asked
19:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> no problem
19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah ok
19:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: any progress on the start issue?
19:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> the start issue?
19:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah for android?
19:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> nop :( going to need some help on that i think
19:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> can i be there of help?
19:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or did u figure out anything on AWS?
19:53 #navit: < MarcR> Is there an alternative to espeak ? 
19:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: Festival?
19:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> have u tried that?
19:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> additionally there also seems to be freetts
19:55 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but freetts seems to be partially based on festival
19:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: a script to test different apk on different ios version would help, as it'll help narrow down the scope of the problem. Otherwise it's code..
19:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan had a theory on the root cause maybe he can share more
19:56 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ios?
19:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> i meant android of course :)
19:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: none of the offline tts i've tried convinced me. it's worth doing some research just in case there's a new player on the field. Do you have internet access with your setup?
19:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: or you can also make ur own voice interface
19:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> navit should have the option included
19:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just means quite some recording ;-)
19:57 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: not really for the final setup which will be in my car later 
19:58 #navit: < MarcR> ilovekiruna: hehe :D 
19:58 #navit: < MarcR> only a few road names ;) 
19:58 #navit: < jkoan> i didn't followed the conversation, what was my theory? 
19:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: the notification thing ?
19:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: no phone tethering? 
20:00 #navit: < jkoan> the notification code is already in the making. But how is this related to "root"?
20:02 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: not enough data volume on my phone for much internet play 
20:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: who mentioned root? :)
20:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: i see. i have numbers somewhere about the data consumption. also it's easy to implement a cache to avoid downloading the same announcement twice. messages are about a few KBs also.
20:03 #navit: < jkoan> "(20:56:18) KaZeR: jkoan had a theory on the root cause maybe he can share more" or is "on the root" an english phrase?
20:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> but if you want full offline, i'd start with a deep search on possible new solutions. espeak isn't great, it sounds really robotic
20:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: ah! i meant the root cause of the crash we're seeing at startup
20:05 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: yeah it does ;) - so festival works only online? 
20:05 #navit: < jkoan> MarcR and KaZeR if i remember right right you must tweek the tts to sound better
20:06 #navit: < MarcR> jkoan: I'm working on some tweeking right now, you can adjust the speed and some thinks yeah
20:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: nop festival is offline too. voicerss is online for example
20:07 #navit: < jkoan> yep one of the current android issues are the notifications (which i currently working on)
20:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I guess you have excellent C skils, right?
20:08 #navit: < MarcR> festival sounds better, I would say ;) 
20:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: http://www.voicerss.org/api/demo.aspx 
20:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i wouldn't say excellent :)
20:09 #navit: < MarcR> hmm voice rss sounds really good ... damn :-P 
20:10 #navit: < MarcR> let me do some research if there is a german language for festival ;) 
20:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's german for voicerss ;)
20:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: If you find sth good for linux, maybe one could consider it on sailfish, find the tts there really quite ugly
20:11 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: yeah I know ;) 
20:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah probably same problem there as on bare linux
20:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: http://mary.dfki.de/ maybe. the online example sounds correct
20:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> German! :-o
20:12 #navit: < frank> Hi Guys
20:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey frank 
20:13 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hey frank
20:14 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: holy - mary sounds nearly perfect 
20:14 #navit: < MarcR> I want Mary! ;-) 
20:15 #navit: < MarcR> hi frank 
20:17 #navit: < frank> KaZeR, i installed  Version 1708012011 that you linked above, it has all buttons and decent font size but it still crashes when i try to change map style on my andoid 6.0 device. It is usable tho.
20:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks frank. any chance you could get an adb log of the map layout change crash? i don't recall having heard of that before
20:19 #navit: < frank> one moment please...
20:22 #navit: < MarcR> oh ok - marytts is a client and server architecture 
20:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha.. i didn't dig into the details, i reckon.
20:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: just for reference, here's my tts script : https://pastebin.com/x7ipUXja 
20:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> uses online if available and caches the result. if fetching from online service fails, falls back to espeak
20:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> "Turn right into main street in 200m" is 39095 bytes
20:26 #navit: < MarcR> I see, it uses voicerss.org 
20:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, used to use google but they blocked it a year or two ago
20:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> there was a trick you could do with the translation system
20:27 #navit: < MarcR> my internet volume has only 750mb for one month. so small :( 
20:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey, maybe that's worth trying too : https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-index.html 
20:27 #navit: < MarcR> I saw it in the wiki, yeah.
20:27 #navit: < frank> KaZeR:https://pastebin.com/jgrmtrJj
20:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: i also keep a log of everything navit said (useful sometimes to look back at an issue)
20:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have 17740 entries from real world navigation usage. let me rebuild the cache 
20:29 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: I have seen it in the code yes. I like logs too ;-) 
20:29 #navit: < MarcR> but my navit does not 
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20:31 #navit: < pmckinley> :-D
20:31 #navit: < pmckinley> Ladies and Gentlemen
20:31 #navit: < MarcR> hi Kinky ;-)
20:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey pmckinley ! you're here early today :)
20:32 #navit: < pmckinley> ok lets face it there is neither here
20:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> frank: thanks
20:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi pmckinley
20:32 #navit: < pmckinley> ;-)
20:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> pmckinley: try hey nerds maybe next time then :)
20:32 #navit: < pmckinley> hey MarcR ilovekiruna KaZeR
20:32 #navit: < MarcR> hey ho - my navit finaly talks to me :-D 
20:33 #navit: < MarcR> There was just %s missing :-P 
20:33 #navit: < pmckinley> lol mine never shuts up
20:33 #navit: < MarcR> but espeak really sound like an 80's robot 
20:33 #navit: < pmckinley> Festival is worse
20:33 #navit: < MarcR> heard about it 
20:34 #navit: < pmckinley> I miss 80's robots........
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20:35 #navit: < MarcR|away> short away 
20:36 #navit: < pmckinley> MarcR I agree it's about time we had a really good speech synthesiser
20:38 #navit: < pmckinley> it's very easy to put audio files in the sample_dir, Navit looks there first for samples of words or phrases that it's trying to say
20:38 #navit: < pmckinley> If it finds them it plays them
20:39 #navit: < pmckinley> > pmckinley killed it
20:42 #navit: < frank> KaZeR: Strangly, i have betatesting Versions on this device since a llong time and they never crashed...
20:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> frank: yeah but there has been changes in the toolchain lately, that's probably what's happening
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR|away: 17740 log entries make up for 4492 cached files with a total size of 18MB
20:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: i was adding a comment in my c code 
20:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and then later on removing it again
20:47 #navit: < ilovekiruna> after that my code mysteriously works
20:47 #navit: < ilovekiruna> any ideas?
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20:50 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: 18MB is totaly ok for 17k files 
20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: that's only 5k files, but "Turn left soon" is repeated ~900 times in my log (which makes sense, and proves the usefulness of the cache :) )
20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: odd. i'd need more details :)
20:51 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: of course 
20:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i can paste u the code
20:55 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: if the google translate trick does not work anymore, you may should update the wiki? ;-) 
20:59 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: https://pastebin.com/8fHC2SnF
20:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: oh yeah thanks for the reminder
21:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i didnt have any printf command near fprintf
21:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> then when adding it the code started working
21:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> after removing it it still works
21:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: really odd
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: for curiosity are there any possible circumstances where the printf commands could affect the functionality of the code?
21:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> in the way you described, that's really suspicious. if it breaks again in the same way we can investigate using gdb, it'll help a lot
21:30 #navit: < ilovekiruna> u mean just attaching gdb to the process?
21:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> or running the app directly from gdb. you can then define breakpoints and do step-by-step execution
21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> in your case, "b exportCSV" 
21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> this talk is worth watching : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9Fkq1e6sg 
21:48 #navit: < MarcR> any clue why : espeak -vmb-de1 -s 150 -p 45 "test" | mbrola -e /usr/share/mbrola/voices/de1/de1 
21:48 #navit: < MarcR> Not enough arguments, try -h for help
21:48 #navit: < MarcR> Failed to read voice 'mb-de1'
21:49 #navit: < MarcR> mbrola is installed 
21:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> maybe you need an extra package for the German voice?
21:53 #navit: < MarcR> I have the german voices downloaded and cp to usr/share/mbrola/voices/ 
21:54 #navit: < MarcR> maybe /usr/share/mbrola/voices is not the correct dir? because, as in the navit wiki, I have to make the dir 
21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> "Not enough arguments, try -h for help " wondering if this one is from espeak or mbrola
21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> what if you try the espeak command alone?
21:55 #navit: < MarcR> its from mbrola 
21:55 #navit: < MarcR> espeak works fine 
22:03 #navit: < MarcR> hmmm 
22:03 #navit: < MarcR> ok no mbrola voice 
22:03 #navit: < MarcR> not a big problem 
22:07 #navit: < MarcR> There we go! 
22:07 #navit: < MarcR> mbrola voices work :) 
22:08 #navit: < MarcR> espeak -v mb/mb-de3 "test" 
22:08 #navit: < MarcR> does the job 
22:08 #navit: < MarcR> if there is a de3 voices dir of course 
22:09 #navit: < MarcR> de3 is very ..... austria :-P 
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22:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: did you get the command from the wiki?
22:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> (the broken one)
22:21 #navit: < MarcR> yeah 
22:22 #navit: < MarcR> but the voices must be in /usr/share/mbrola/de1 de2 de3 and so on 
22:22 #navit: < MarcR> not in /usr/share/mbrola/voices/de1 de2 de3 - like in the wiki 
22:25 #navit: < MarcR> you should add the trick from this forum to let the people now, how they get mbrola to raspian 
22:25 #navit: < MarcR> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=148096
22:26 #navit: < MarcR> but the right command for espeak is: espeak -v mb/mb-de3 "test" 
22:27 #navit: < MarcR> the mbrola german voice sound really bavarian :P 
22:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: can you upload a sample somewhere?
22:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am very curious
22:31 #navit: < MarcR> I#m on it 
22:35 #navit: < MarcR> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz1zgpyjimZmVzBRbnZTOVBRelNUdHdGLUxucTUtamNUMzFB/view
22:35 #navit: < MarcR> for the protocol - thats not me
22:35 #navit: < MarcR> :-P 
22:36 #navit: < MarcR> it is mbrola german voice 3 
22:37 #navit: < MarcR> all mbrola german voices, sounds like this only with a different pitch 
22:38 #navit: < MarcR> is it just me, or does it sound a little like ... the guys in 1945 ?! 
22:41 #navit: < MarcR> but the voice is really clear, and not so much robotic 
22:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: honestly for me it doesnt really sound that bavarian
22:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am from Franconian part of Bavaria ;-)
22:43 #navit: < MarcR> ok but it really sounds much more like austria, does it ? 
22:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> maybe i am just bad at dialects, i didnt hear that much difference
22:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: where are you from again?
22:44 #navit: < MarcR> Münster , Germany 
22:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> closer to where i live now :-o
22:46 #navit: < MarcR> ilovekiruna: where are you living? 
22:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Celle
22:47 #navit: < MarcR> Ah 
22:47 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarcR: before Aachen :-)
22:47 #navit: < MarcR> yeap 
22:47 #navit: < MarcR> got it in google maps ;) 
22:48 #navit: < MarcR> I mean - navit ;-) 
22:50 #navit: < MarcR> is it normal that espeak produces so much noise when it starts ? the static noise 
22:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: lol gmaps
22:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> MarC: will turn in now, but can test tomorow evening, if u want
22:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: can you please update the wiki with your mbrola discoveries?
22:51 #navit: < MarcR> ilovekiruna: if you like, I dont want to hold you up from other things 
22:52 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: if course, if I got the ok for that
22:52 #navit: < MarcR> of course 
22:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> tomorrow it is fine. no problem
22:52 #navit: < MarcR> ok 
22:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: Do you still think Google Cloud Testing could add value for us?
22:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: never be scared of updating the wiki! we can always revert if something is wrong
22:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i don't know, haven't tested it enough myself to be sure. maybe we should focus on aws/appium for now and revisit a bit later. too many things to do already :)
22:55 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: Ok, then I will do what I can :) 
22:55 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: this is a bit the reason why I ask. Plus: What I heard from you recently was, that it didnt detect our start up problems on android, did it?
22:59 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I checked fosdem today again. No update
23:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR, all: will sleep now, but will catch up with ur answers tomorrow
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23:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah it didn't detect it, but also it was some somewhat random tests. still a bit disapointed by that though
23:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks for the fosdem update
23:24 #navit: < MarcR> damn, was nearly done with the wiki update, then my Internet connection died ... :'-(
23:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> you should be able to hit f5 or something to post again no?
23:26 #navit: < MarcR> already on the next try, no problem ;) 
23:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> sweet
23:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: btw what's your log situation? did the env variable fix your issue?
23:35 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: ok, updated it 
23:35 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: I didn't get it, where I need to edit the code on my rspi
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23:41 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: I will take a look on the log think later, need to go to sleep now. see you all later! 
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