--- Log opened Mon Dec 04 00:00:02 2017 00:28 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:53 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E4D0800022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E035D00022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 01:05 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ 01:45 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:56 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #navit 01:57 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has joined #navit 01:57 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04 -!- gegolo_ [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #navit 02:04 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #navit 02:04 -!- gegolo_ [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-206-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: there's a PR waiting for review for the linux builds 04:47 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-10200.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-7496.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #navit 05:10 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 05:37 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has joined #navit 07:35 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:16 -!- robertp_ [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has joined #navit 10:17 #navit: < robertp_> hi 10:19 #navit: < robertp_> is there a huge impact on performance if dbg(dbg_level, ...); is used with navit set to a level above "dbg_level"? 10:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey robertp_ 10:20 #navit: < robertp_> hi kazer 10:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you enable lvl_debug everywhere yeah probably 10:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp_: we'll have to discuss our options for the audio framework 10:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/368 10:21 #navit: < robertp_> I havent had the time to look too detailed into the pr 10:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> nothing urgent 10:22 #navit: < robertp_> I came back to navit today because of lack of free time for my "projects". 10:23 #navit: < robertp_> But I agree with the licensing stuffs but not with the "we do not need audio playback as a navit module" 10:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. i'm really interested in your opinion. i'm thinking about continuing to maintain it in a branch for now, or creating a seperate repo. Thoughts? 10:39 #navit: < robertp_> kazer, the question was not meant like that: I have some lvl_debug messages in my code which is blocking navit "a bit" but the global debug level is set to lvl_error 10:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha. that's weird. we could try something like oprofile to confirm 10:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> what makes you think that the dbg() call is blocking? 10:40 #navit: < robertp_> I don't know, just a thought 10:42 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR, hi robertp_ 10:43 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: your PR for the linux build is now merged 10:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp_: have you used oprofile before? i have to leave soon but we can probably try it together tomorrow 10:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: perfect 10:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: i have a lead on the missing images for android 10:47 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: tell me about it :D 10:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/tree/fix_missing_android_icons 10:52 #navit: < jkoan> yep, failed build :D 10:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> res/drawable-nodpi-v4 is missing from the archive 10:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> because we don't generate the PNGs 10:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have to leave so if you want to continue... :) 10:53 #navit: < jkoan> but the images should be in raw at least as far as i know 11:01 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@2001:bb8:2002:200:6651:6ff:fe53:a120] has joined #navit 11:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> in the apk? 11:06 #navit: < jkoan> i think yes, will take a quick look 11:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/android/CMakeLists.txt#L58 11:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's looking for the pngs here 11:06 #navit: < jkoan> yes, right 11:07 #navit: < jkoan> oh i have a idea.... probably we dont install the convert command as a requirement, so the convert could not happen 11:29 -!- robertp_ [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: fixed 11:42 #navit: < jkoan> thanks for hinting in the right direction :D 11:53 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: would it be possible to add me to the docker organization of navit? 15:47 -!- gegolo [~gegolo@pool-108-26-192-67.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #navit 16:18 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@2001:bb8:2002:200:6651:6ff:fe53:a120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:31 #navit: < jkoan> I would like to move all Docker images to a own repo and enable automatic builds ;) so the image will be build when we push to the repo 16:38 #navit: < jkoan> docker images = files to create the docker images 17:08 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-7496.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:15 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@port-53181.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #navit 18:25 -!- jjardon_ [sid723@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngipqxjzpbxstazm] has joined #navit 18:47 -!- jjardon_ [sid723@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngipqxjzpbxstazm] has quit [] 18:53 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 19:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi all 19:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: Is there anything i could have done wrong while submitting? 20:07 #navit: < jkoan> hi ilovekiruna 20:08 #navit: < jkoan> can i probably also help? 20:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi jkoan 20:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am just waiting for getting an acceptance or rejection for the talk we submitted for FOSDEM 20:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> if you had done that before, would be great to hear your experience 20:12 #navit: < jkoan> ah okay, thats the think you are talking about ^^ 20:15 #navit: < jkoan> i know i asked again some time ago, did you have github access for reviews? 20:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: yes, i should have, i think 20:16 #navit: < jkoan> would you mind to approve this? this fixes the android icon problem: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/384 20:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: honestly, I think i have the right, but not sure, if I am really competent ;-) 20:19 #navit: < jkoan> see the diff... then you will think "WTF" 20:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I saw 20:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> way to complicated 20:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Debian :-D 20:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> a general question, can I reivew even if my review wasnt requested? 20:20 #navit: < jkoan> yes 20:21 #navit: < jkoan> on the bottom there should be add my review 20:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ah, I can add myself as a reviewer :-o 20:21 #navit: < jkoan> thets the other solution 20:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for that review wonder if i even need a comment 20:23 #navit: < jkoan> no comment is not needed 20:24 #navit: < jkoan> probably we can then bring out the rc1 on 06.12 and the release on Christmas :D 20:26 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just to be curious, why did you want a review anyway? 20:27 #navit: < jkoan> because i dont want to add a review to my own pr but need one review to merge it... 20:27 #navit: < jkoan> theres also a discussion about this: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/383 20:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey there 20:34 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR 20:34 #navit: < jkoan> android is working again 20:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, i was actually thinking of installing imagemagick via setup_common_requirements, but no big deal 20:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> we probably have the same issue with tomtom / wince 20:35 #navit: < jkoan> yep, right :/ 20:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: review is now mandatory to merge into trunk 20:36 #navit: < jkoan> okay, i change the PR 20:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks 20:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> you tested the resulting apk and it's ok now? 20:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i think that they might just be late in the decision process. when is the deadline for results? 20:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: Problem is there is NO deadline 20:43 #navit: < jkoan> build of the PR for android is now running 20:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: 20:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> 1 November onwards 20:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> main track talks announced (in batches) 20:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. weird that they don't specify a deadline for the last announces 20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: we should probably remove imagemagick from the tomtom deps now that we added it to the common deps 20:50 #navit: < jkoan> done 20:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks 20:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: did you test the apk for the missing icons fix? 20:56 #navit: < jkoan> yep, they are back after this 20:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> awesome. this means that we can release 0.5.1-rc1 this week :) 20:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> i don't have a lot of time today but i'll be back asap 20:59 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer probably as I said on 06.12? 21:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> why not 21:20 -!- Fester_ [5ed867dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.216.103.221] has joined #navit 21:22 #navit: < Fester_> Hi there, how comes there is no acutal version on f-droid? (Latest is 0.5.0-6382 (6382) from 2015-11-18.) 21:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: this one is for you :) 21:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi Fester_ ! 21:25 #navit: < Fester_> i am from germany btw so my german is way better than my english :-D 21:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's almost no native english speakers here so don't worr about it :) 21:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan (who is also from Germany) has been working on updating the fdroid builds recently 21:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> all : i'm pushing the updated apk to the playstore beta channel 21:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> and i'm signing off! 21:29 #navit: < Fester_> nice. i am using navit for more than two years (maybe three) and was wondering the last two years if it was discontinued 21:30 #navit: < Fester_> as on the https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page i did not happen to find any clue which version is the latest one 21:36 #navit: < jkoan> Hi Fester_ i think it's okay for you when I speak German? 21:37 #navit: < Fester_> aber gewiss doch 21:40 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR und ich sind tatsächlich in den letzten Wochen stark daran am arbeiten das die Version 0.5.1 raus kommt, dafür werden wir in den nächsten Tagen (vielleicht am 06.12) einen release candidate veröffentlichen welcher dazu gedacht ist noch vorhande Fehler bis zur Veröffentlichung zu finden. Zudem arbeiten wir auch daran das fdroid automatisch auf einem aktuellen Stand ist. Der aktuell beste Weg ist aber tatsächlich über die beta Gruppe auf Goog 21:40 #navit: < jkoan> …le play. 21:41 #navit: < jkoan> Wenn du Fragen hast frag gerne. Ich werde vermutlich immer mal wieder afk sein heute, antworte aber definitiv 21:41 #navit: < Fester_> Freut mich das zu hören (mit f-droid). (Ich habe kein Google play) 21:42 #navit: < Fester_> bin eher so der "paranoide" user. jedenfalls bezüglich smartphones 21:42 #navit: < jkoan> Wir werden wenn alles klappt auch bald ein eigenes fdroid repo anbieten für nightly builds 21:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> i actually have another hour :) 21:43 #navit: < jkoan> Nice Kazer, then you could set up the server access and look on trello :P 21:43 #navit: < Fester_> acutally running cyanogenmode without GAPPS, no playstore, no SIM-card in both devices 21:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: confirming that the new apk hit the beta channel first :) 21:44 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: good idea 21:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: how familiar are you with f-droid release process? 21:44 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: which devices are you using? 21:45 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: and another question, are you also a developer or "only" a customer? ^^ 21:45 #navit: < Fester_> um... not at all. I manually check f-droid for updates every some weeks and if an update is available i decide whether to install it or not 21:46 #navit: < Fester_> i am only a customer concerning smartphones and/or navit 21:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: Fester_ : how would you translate "This release fixes an issue with missing graphics / icons that was encountered depending of the device's DPI" to German? 21:47 #navit: < Fester_> i developed a small add-on for Oolite somne months ago 21:47 #navit: < jkoan> And in other parts? For example Linux, c/c++ or programming in general? 21:48 #navit: < Fester_> it was in javascript that i had to "learn" from the scratch 21:49 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: "Diese Release wird das Problem beheben das Grafiken abhängig von der dpi verschwunden sind" but this is not correct because it was not dpi related, all icons where missing 21:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks 21:50 #navit: < Fester_> "Dieses Update behebt einen Fehler welcher - abhängig von der Auflösung des Geräts - fehlerhafte Grafik/Icons verursachen konnte." 21:50 #navit: < Fester_> Hört sich an wie eine Anmerkung zu einem KB0185... 21:50 #navit: < Fester_> muahaha 21:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh right jkoan so let's say "This release fixes an issue with missing graphics / icons" 21:51 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: willst du weiter lernen zu programmieren? ^^ 21:52 #navit: < Fester_> prinzipiell schon, aber das RL bedrängt mich etwas 21:52 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer: Diese Release behebt ein Problem mit fehlenden Grafiken oder Icons 21:52 #navit: < Fester_> ich such mal eben das add-on was ich da verbrochen hatte 21:53 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: Okay :D 21:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks jkoan 21:53 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: no problem :D 21:53 #navit: < jkoan> Why do you need this? 21:53 #navit: < jkoan> For the Playstore? 21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep 21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm pushing the update to the prod channel too 21:54 #navit: < jkoan> After 0.5.1 we should definitely take a look at fastlane.tools 21:55 #navit: < jkoan> And the Metadata thing thy provide which can then power Google play and fdroid 21:56 #navit: < Fester_> http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18666 21:57 #navit: < Fester_> btw Oolite ist ein Elite-"remake" 21:58 #navit: < jkoan> Okay, sowohl das eine als auch das andere sagt mir nichts ^^ 21:58 #navit: < Fester_> Elite kam so um 1984 raus. Ist etwas betagt :-D 21:59 #navit: < jkoan> Ja okay :D 21:59 #navit: < jkoan> Das Addon sind die ~20 Zeilen? 21:59 #navit: < Fester_> ...nee? 21:59 #navit: < Fester_> eher so 200 22:00 #navit: < jkoan> Dann sehe ich es gerade nicht 22:00 #navit: < Fester_> ah, du meinst was honkdings da gepostet hat 22:00 #navit: < jkoan> Möglich 22:01 #navit: < jkoan> Bin gerade sowieso am Handy, kann es also eh nicht wirklich ansehen :X 22:01 #navit: < Fester_> Das Add-on ist oben im ersten posting, blau, fett und unterstrichen 22:01 #navit: < Fester_> äh ja, dann eher schlecht 22:01 #navit: < jkoan> Ja, mittlerweile gesehen :D 22:02 #navit: < Fester_> es ist eine oxz-datei (runterladen, endung ".zip" dranhängen und mit z.b. winrar öffnen) 22:02 #navit: < jkoan> Ihhhh windows 22:02 #navit: < Fester_> ja... :-( *shame* 22:03 #navit: < Fester_> aktuell hab ich noch windows wegen zwei programmen... 22:03 #navit: < jkoan> Hier im Raum sind eigentlich nur linux Nutzer 8) :D 22:03 #navit: < Fester_> linux hat mir schon so manches mal den hintern gerettet 22:03 #navit: < jkoan> Welche? 22:03 #navit: < Fester_> DVB-ViewerPro und MultiTheftAuto 22:04 #navit: < Fester_> die devs von letzterem bieten zwar einenLinux-Server, aber keinen Clienten an... 22:04 #navit: < jkoan> Dvb viewer ist ein dvb-t client? 22:04 #navit: < jkoan> Das andere ist ein Spiel? 22:04 #navit: < Fester_> DVB-T,C,S(2) 22:04 #navit: < Fester_> japp 22:05 #navit: < Fester_> es ist genauer gesagt ein Mod für GTA-San Andreas 22:05 #navit: < jkoan> Dvb-t clients gibt es auch unter Linux und das Spiel --> playonlinux/wine 22:05 #navit: < jkoan> So und fertig, kein windoof mehr nötig 22:06 #navit: < Fester_> ja, auf Wine soll es seit einigen Jahren nicht mehr funzen 22:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1359#ticket 22:06 #navit: < Fester_> wenn ich "demnächst" Win 7 aufspiele, möchte ich debian parallel dazu aufspielen 22:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: maybe we should start showcasing some reviews on the website / wiki. like https://play.google.com/apps/publish?account=5652827825270903358#ReviewDetailsPlace:p=org.navitproject.navit&reviewid=gp:AOqpTOFLYIoxum6ketlOxd6RSEA23IN6Y0ZLW8r-ykXMxNN0-ydMIVQMvNEPaeq-ygEt193-Fk32Q_ZzhkRpDg 22:07 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: I don't have access to the servers, so you need to add the one from the ticket :P 22:09 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: yes this is a really nice review 22:09 #navit: < jkoan> But it's in German 22:11 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: wieso die Entscheidung für debian? (einfach aus Interesse, nutze selbst Ubuntu, debian ;und FreeBSD seit heute) 22:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: no need for server access :) https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/android/src/org/navitproject/navit/NavitMapDownloader.java#L122 22:11 #navit: < Fester_> es soll ziemlich stabil sein 22:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: i'm tempted to create a "first user only" use case for this one and let it sink for a couple of days 22:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> cause that's a really easy fix 22:12 #navit: < Fester_> hatte es mal auf meinem laptop, hatte es aber (aus gewohnheit) kaum genutzt 22:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://up-for-grabs.net/ 22:13 #navit: < jkoan> Oh yes, we are talking about Android :D I thought it was map server 22:13 #navit: < Fester_> außerdem gabs bei jedem start eine fehlermeldung. ich glaube irgendein desktop konnte nicht geladen werden. ich hoff auf meinem hauptrechner wirds besser 22:14 #navit: < jkoan> Ubuntu ist ähnlich stabil aber in einigen Aspekten Nutzer freundlicher 22:15 #navit: < Fester_> ist sicher eine überlegung wert 22:15 #navit: < jkoan> Bei Problemen frag hier ruhig mal :D hier sollte immer ein Linuxer sein (ggf musst du wegen Zeitverschiebung ein paar Stunden warten) 22:15 #navit: < jkoan> Einfach testen, ist ja kostenlos ;) 22:15 #navit: < Fester_> heute hab ich etwa sechs stunden updates auf dem Win7-Laptop bummeln lassen... 22:16 #navit: < Fester_> ...da macht man das mal ein paar monate nicht an und dann gibts über ein GB an updates 22:17 #navit: < Fester_> ich werds aber brauchen wenn ich in Win7 auf dem Hauptrecner installiere. Denn da darfich geschätzt ein paar Tage updates laufen lassen... 22:18 #navit: < jkoan> Bei Linux läuft das während du den PC nutzen kannst :D nicht zum start, einer der größten Vorteile. Ein paar GB können es bei Linux durchaus auch mal werden. Aber nicht regelmäßig und nicht so oft 22:18 #navit: < Fester_> Ja, ich weiß 22:19 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: you want to say that Fester_ could fix this one? :) good idea 22:19 #navit: < Fester_> sure, fixed in 12 mins 22:19 #navit: < Fester_> hehe, just kidding 22:22 #navit: < jkoan> For me it would be 2-5minutes until the PR is ready :P (it's only one line) 22:22 #navit: < Fester_> btw when i started using navit i used this site to get updates: http://www.navit-project.org/?page=download 22:23 #navit: < Fester_> that was before i discovered f-droid 22:24 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: we will replace the complete old website soon also ;) 22:24 #navit: < Fester_> well, "Last modified: 08-Aug-2015 02:29" seems to be a little bit dusty 22:24 #navit: < Fester_> i am happy to read this 22:24 #navit: < jkoan> Here you can see in which direction it will go: 22:24 #navit: < jkoan> http://navit-gps.github.io/website/ 22:25 #navit: < Fester_> when i got my smartphone (Sony LT-15i or LT18i) i spent some time to find out which navigation software is free *and* works offline 22:25 #navit: < Fester_> so i decided to use navit 22:27 #navit: < jkoan> Really nice story :) 22:27 #navit: < Fester_> ah, just found out that http://maps.test.navit-project.org is still online 22:27 #navit: < jkoan> And happy with you choice? 22:28 #navit: < Fester_> my mapver is from 2017-03-04 22:28 #navit: < Fester_> yes i am 22:29 #navit: < jkoan> I am working on a completely new mapserver. Probably you could help with it. It's written in nodejs. Will have a real api and even more ;) 22:29 #navit: < Fester_> some years ago there was a rather funny bug. instead of "abbiegen", navit's voice told me to "In 100 metern, *turn* rechts auf die Hauptstrasse" 22:30 #navit: < jkoan> Map split will also be included from specification from beginning. 22:30 #navit: < Fester_> it used the english "turn" in the german sentence, pronounced german 22:31 #navit: < jkoan> Does the bug still exists? 22:31 #navit: < Fester_> i laughed my ass off when i discovered, my non english speaking GF looked at me as i was crazy... 22:31 #navit: < Fester_> no, it was fixed one or some versions ago 22:31 #navit: < jkoan> Okay :) 22:32 #navit: < Fester_> too bad, i loved it 22:32 #navit: < jkoan> You could bring it back by editing the language files :D 22:33 #navit: < jkoan> But you probably need to recompile it then 22:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: we can reintroduce it just for you if you want :) build a "navit - Fester edition" 22:33 #navit: < Fester_> map split is a great feature. Before I luckily discovered the test map server, i tried to download my own split maps... 22:34 #navit: < Fester_> hehe 22:35 #navit: < Fester_> the german "turnen" means to do gymnastics exercises 22:35 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer probably we should do so just for 0.5.1-rc1 22:35 #navit: < Fester_> and "turn" is the correct imperativ singular 22:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> nah, Fester seems to be really attached to this, this needs to be a long term edition :) 22:35 #navit: < Fester_> that was the fun about it 22:36 #navit: < jkoan> Oh right :D 22:37 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: did you read the messages between your messages about mapserver? It's written in Javascript so you could help ;) 22:38 #navit: < Fester_> weak my JS skills are... 22:39 #navit: < jkoan> That's why it's open source, we can do the prototype and other people can improve it 22:40 #navit: < Fester_> writing my addon i had to use the "Try and Error" method, each time starting the game, looking for the error messages in the log and watching if it did what it was supposed to do... 22:41 #navit: < jkoan> That's exactly my Workflow on developing the new mapserver 22:41 #navit: < Fester_> dammit. that sounds hard 22:42 #navit: < Fester_> ich glaub nicht daß ich die Zeit dafür aufbringen kann :-( 22:43 #navit: < jkoan> Only difference is probably that I did a lot of days researching all what I need to know so it is some kind of fluid. But right now I don't have enough time 22:43 #navit: < Fester_> Das RL nagt an mir. Ich soll seit 15 Jahren meine Bude aufräumen... 22:43 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: dito, auch kaum Zeit 22:44 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: only 8 todo's left on trello :) 22:44 #navit: < Fester_> yes, the research. i knew what the addon should do. but finding out how to tell the computer/game... 22:45 #navit: < jkoan> For me it was more reading the specification of the zip Format 22:45 #navit: < Fester_> oh 22:46 #navit: < jkoan> The zip Format is not sooo difficult 22:46 #navit: < Fester_> I don't have a clue how it works (but I don't need to know, so...) 22:46 #navit: < Fester_> AFK for 5 mins 22:48 #navit: < jkoan> The Navit map "bin" files are only zip files. If you rename it you could look in it. But there are only a whole bunch of files(more than a million) which content is binary. 22:51 #navit: < Fester_> yes i know. i remember to have opened these as zip to watch the date of "last change". 22:51 #navit: < Fester_> well, in each of the split archive to make sure i downloaded the same version 22:52 #navit: < jkoan> Oh that's a really nice trick yes 22:53 #navit: < Fester_> Since: opening the test server it says (now): "(Map Version 171203)" 22:53 #navit: < Fester_> thats okay, but if i select the whole planet and let it auto split to 4GB-peaces, i get seven download links 22:54 #navit: < Fester_> i could not start more than four (i remember roughly; didn't update since march) simultaneous downloads 22:55 #navit: < Fester_> so i downloaded four files and after that the rest 22:56 #navit: < jkoan> But that's a good point for the new map server. Probably we can provide a zip file with the bin files in it. So you only have to download one file to get all splits 22:56 #navit: < Fester_> now i wondered "what if after my first 4 files are downloaded, the map version changes? this might create bad errrors. the file's names don't tell me which version it contains..." 22:57 #navit: < Fester_> thats wha i renamed these to *.zip and had an eye for the change 22:57 #navit: < Fester_> ...date 22:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: 8 todo for this one stack :) 22:58 #navit: < jkoan> That's right, that one of the current problems of the server. In future this will hopefully not be a problem ;) 22:58 #navit: < Fester_> acutally it is 22 GB for the whole planet 22:59 #navit: < Fester_> i don't have a clue how server traffic costs 22:59 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer: yes of course we try to have 0.5.2 following soon 23:00 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: I also don't know for navit :D 23:00 #navit: < Fester_> i even had the thought "most of the map won't change from this version to the next. what if I had a map version and an *.exe that would downlad a DIFF (maybe some MB) and create the new map version from that?" 23:01 #navit: < jkoan> Hm, it's binary so probably a diff would not be so easy, but even a nice idea 23:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: we don't pay for bandwidth on the current map serving infrastructure, it's included in the price of the server (as of today) 23:02 #navit: < Fester_> this could reduce the server traffic and make things faster. (downloading 22 GB takes some hours...) 23:02 #navit: < Fester_> good to hear that, KaZer 23:02 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: normally you don't need the whole planet ;) 23:03 #navit: < Fester_> but what it navit had much more users who happened to download big maps and update these on each occasion? 23:04 #navit: < Fester_> maybe the server provider wolud like to talk to you :-D 23:04 #navit: < Fester_> well, okay. most people won't need/use the whole planet's map 23:05 #navit: < Fester_> i probably will never really *need* it, but you never know.... 23:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: i've thought a lot about using p2p to distribute and update maps 23:06 #navit: < Fester_> yes, emule (still alive?) and/or bittorrent 23:06 #navit: < jkoan> Yes, of course we should keep that in mind, but our man power is so limited that we try to do things in small steps that we can handle. Probably later we can need it even through 23:07 #navit: < Fester_> Well, let me say, I appreb... 23:07 #navit: < Fester_> appreciate your work 23:08 #navit: < Fester_> (i hate it when i miss words) 23:08 #navit: < Fester_> There are a lot of "free" (you don't pay money) navigation apps 23:09 #navit: < Fester_> there are some offline working navigation apps 23:09 #navit: < Fester_> but there are only a few that can do both 23:10 #navit: < jkoan> I don't have done so much in navit, so the thanks should go to other people like Kazer ;) I also relatively new to navit (probably about one year) 23:11 #navit: < Fester_> As navit works offline and the "free" also means that is open source it was my favorite which i kept using 23:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's no small contributions! 23:11 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: merge PR#384? 23:12 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: that's a nice compliment :) 23:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: oopsie! 23:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> done 23:13 #navit: < jkoan> Also navit is the only one that is able to run on nearly every device 23:13 #navit: < Fester_> It is nice to know wherever in the world i decide to take a special "shortcut", i have this tool ready to tell me where i really am 23:13 #navit: < Fester_> yes, today or yesterday (damn thos time zones) i saw a picture of running it on open pandora 23:14 #navit: < jkoan> For example "steam link" I did a try and only freetype was the problem to compile navit as a native app for it 23:14 #navit: < Fester_> i even have it installed on my main PC here 23:14 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: thx 23:15 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: what's next for 0.5.1-rc1? 23:15 #navit: < jkoan> Probably cmake /cpack or the repos? 23:15 #navit: < Fester_> once i told my GF "hmmm, let me drive this way, this is a shortcut for sure". much later than necessary we arrived... 23:18 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: or even better the version code thing. Would you "like" to take that? I could tell you about what's the problem and even what's to do :X 23:23 #navit: < Fester_> Did you guys ever play a flight simulator? In the 90ies i played "Fighter Bomber" on Amiga 23:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: sure 23:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: not in a long time 23:24 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: you know the main problem with the current version code? 23:25 #navit: < Fester_> the compass there shows the degree from 0 to 360 23:25 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: no, never played such games 23:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: yeah it's based on compilation time instead of commit time, correct? 23:25 #navit: < jkoan> Yep 23:26 #navit: < Fester_> while 0/360 means N, 90 means E, 180 means S and 270 of course W 23:26 #navit: < Fester_> Is it possible to create such an compass in xml for navit? i never messed with it... 23:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: so https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD#compass but with degrees? 23:28 #navit: < Fester_> well... no 23:29 #navit: < Fester_> or yes 23:29 #navit: < Fester_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOAUgQTcwSs 23:29 #navit: < Fester_> at 2:39 you can see 23:30 #navit: < Fester_> the top number in the HUD, named "HDG" 23:31 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: the problem is to get the time of the last commit in the YYMMDDHHMM format. Because even if it is possible on Ubuntu it's not possible on the ci to get the output in the given format like I did in the PR. So we have two solutions, one is to update the infrastructure to support the formating and add checks that check that git log is able to output like we need it or we need to parse the iso format which is supported by all git versions prop… 23:31 #navit: < jkoan> …erly and do math with it until we have the format we need. 23:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: so just the value itself? 23:31 #navit: < jkoan> Oh another idea would be to use the unix data command to convert between the formats. 23:31 #navit: < Fester_> yes, either the number only or added to the compass icon 23:32 -!- jjardon_ [sid723@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylngwnjzzibdcazb] has joined #navit 23:32 #navit: < jkoan> Did our cmake build respect windows to build on? 23:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: this is what you mean with the compass icon? https://imgur.com/a/7HQnp 23:34 #navit: < Fester_> basically yes, but i would prefer the one navit has already :-D 23:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> so you just want the value on top of the existing compass? 23:35 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:35 #navit: < Fester_> the point is the degree value itself. could any user add it to the existing icon by messing with the xml file? 23:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> messing with the xml, no as of today. but it should be easy to add some code to do it 23:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> one approach is to overlay a text item on top of the compass 23:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> another approach is to add a text field to the compass 23:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> and we would have to check if the value is currently available as a variable, if it's not it should be easy to add it 23:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> we could work on this together if you want 23:37 #navit: < Fester_> hmm. Concerning a smartphone's compass capabilities itselves, how reliable are these? 23:38 #navit: < Fester_> i mean, a good old analogue compass is best used flat on a table 23:38 #navit: < Fester_> holding a smaartphone you can turn and point it to any 3D direction 23:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha, that's a really good question. I was on a friend's boat last week. He has 3 compass to pilot the boat. All 3 were giving different readings :) 23:39 #navit: < Fester_> so if I pinned the smartphone in a car it would not necessary point forward in any direction 23:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> (one gps, one magnet in a water sphere, one electronic) 23:40 #navit: < Fester_> lay the phone on a table -> hold it in your hand is about 90° different 23:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: correct. i believe that some devices address that by taking into account the direction you're moving towards and using that as a reference for "in front" 23:41 #navit: < Fester_> this makes sense. but a lot of stuff hardware creators do does not make sense 23:41 #navit: < Fester_> even worse, it is not well documented 23:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> exactly 23:42 #navit: < Fester_> typical user: "hey, it even has a compass hardware included" but they don't think the way we do... 23:43 #navit: < Fester_> i can even ly in my bed , using the smartphone upside down 23:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> Fester_: if you want to give it a shot, here's where the compass is drawn : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/osd/core/osd_core.c#L1454 23:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> specifically this line is where we draw the text for the distance 23:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> so you should be able to add a graphics_draw_text() call using the vdir value 23:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> and place it on top of the arrow, or somewhere else within the osd if you want 23:44 #navit: < Fester_> "c.a"? 23:44 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45 #navit: < Fester_> durchsichtigkeit? 23:45 #navit: < Fester_> sorry, i am missing a word again 23:45 #navit: < Fester_> alpha? 23:45 #navit: < jkoan> If the build even only works on Unix based systems we can format the date using data and we will be finished within a short time. What do you think Kazer 23:45 #navit: < jkoan> Transparency 23:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> alpha channel for the transparency yeah. 23:46 #navit: < Fester_> mkay, that makes sense. 23:46 #navit: < jkoan> *data -> date 23:46 #navit: < Fester_> guesses right again :) 23:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: yeah sounds good. Simple is always good 23:47 #navit: < jkoan> Our build is only working on Unix devices? 23:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> probably yeah 23:47 #navit: < jkoan> That sounds like a bad style :O 23:48 #navit: < jkoan> But it's okay for me ^^ 23:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> well supporting compilation on many operating systems is really hard :) 23:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> cross compilation is easier 23:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> alright time for me to go. ++ 23:49 #navit: < jkoan> So once I have time tomorrow I will try to fix it 23:49 #navit: < jkoan> I also have to leave 23:49 #navit: < Fester_> so the navit compass's tranparency can be set in 2^16 levels 23:51 -!- j_f-f [~quassel@rs-7.jff-webhosting.net] has joined #navit 23:52 #navit: < jkoan> Fester_: nicht wundern, vermutlich ist KaZeR schon weg und ich jetzt auch, wir sind aber im Chat weiterhin online (irc bouncer) wenn du fragen stellst werden wir diese auch beantworten, falls du offline sein solltest schau dannach einfach in die logs dafür -> irclogs.navit.ie bis morgen? 23:52 #navit: < Fester_> ok, cu 23:53 #navit: < Fester_> vielleicht schau ich mal wieder ein --- Log closed Tue Dec 05 00:00:03 2017