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00:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:39 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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18:47 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Hi there.
18:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
18:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi AVIC-MRZ02 
18:48 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR, nice to see you again :)
18:49 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: I have some questions for you. I you're available now.
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> nice to see you too :)
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> sure, shoot!
18:53 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I want to create an executable which runs on WinCE
18:53 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> For that purpose,
18:54 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I installed Windows XP, then VS2005 on it, the WinCE SDK, then CE Device emulator
18:55 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> But it's not giving fruitful results
18:55 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I think you're using linux O/S
18:55 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> What is the development environment you're using
18:56 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Which compiler you're using
18:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> to build the executable, i'm using a custom crafted docker image. i can show you how to use it, it's quite easy
18:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> i believe that there's a CE emulator for linux.. let me see
18:58 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I don't have any PC with linux O/S right now, but I can install one
18:59 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Is it possible to any one of them (like debian or ubuntu)? Or which one you prefer?
19:00 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Also, I don't have any idea right now what is "custom crafted docker image".
19:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> technically, docker can run on windows, but i've never tried it myself
19:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> a docker image is somewhat like a super lightweigth virtual machine
19:01 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> If it is possible to run on Windows, I can try!
19:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> in this custom crafted image, we have the toolchain setup to build navit for wince
19:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you want to try under windows, here's a startup guide : https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/ 
19:03 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> So, first of all, I'll install this virtual machine on my laptop.
19:04 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> What about "toolchain"?
19:04 #navit: < jkoan> Hi guys :D
19:04 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Hi jkoan :)
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> AVIC-MRZ02: the toolchain is what we use to actually compile navit. everything is included in our image
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey jkoan !
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19:08 #navit: < youte> hi
19:09 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: Is it possible to compile any program using toolchain?
19:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey youte 
19:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> AVIC-MRZ02: probably yeah, as what matters are target cpus and relevant librairies. although the application might need to be configured (we use cmake to do that for example)
19:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you have a specific app in mind?
19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> also the way we build navit for wince is also conditioned by the fact that we build navit for a lot of platforms. a wince native app could be easier to compile
19:13 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> No, I don't have a specific app. in mind but just want to be able to create an exec for WinCE.
19:13 #navit: < jkoan> I will be away again in a short time but nice to see that you all are back from Christmas holidays :) 
19:13 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> May be I can write a launcher OR may be I can write some codes to change some settings of WinCE
19:14 #navit: < jkoan> AVIC-MRZ02: sounds interesting :D
19:15 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> jkoan: I don't have even cmd.exe in my head-unit. It can be interesting :)
19:18 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> For example, I installed Navit on my head unit without un-installing it's original navigation app.
19:19 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Of course, it's original is useless because it's completely designed for Japan
19:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> AVIC-MRZ02: well maybe we can add some of the features you need to navit. it shouldn't be too hard
19:20 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> But for the cars designed for Europe, they are selling it with appropriate maps or another navigation app
19:21 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> If I can write a launcher in the beginning, it will be possible to choose which navigation app. to execute.
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: yeah i found a couple of small things to fix during my trip. Also it was the first real usage of my newest carputer build, and it worked quite well. i'm not using an image fully generated using buildroot, using gui internal and the qt5 graphics driver (so no X server)
19:21 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> So without removing current nav.app. it will be possible to install and use Navit.
19:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> well it's already the case, navit starts but fails to read the config file, but we'll fix that. but otherwise, navit is installed on your device
19:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> we'll get it to work soon!
19:25 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I'm sure about it :)
19:27 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> OK. Now, I'm reading the page that you give me the link. Tonight, I'll try to install docker to my laptop and than I'll continue to disturb you :)
19:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> sounds good. once you get something like a ubuntu image working the rest will be easy
19:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> you just need to be able to get access to a shell in the container
19:38 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I'm downloading docker right now. In 2-3 mins. it'll finish.
19:41 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I'll be back. It needs re-start!
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19:48 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: I'm back and I have a docker now!
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20:01 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: I don't know what I'm doing right now but I think I started to download ubuntu by writing "docker pull ubuntu" command
20:08 #navit: < jkoan> Good night guys, see you soon
20:09 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> See you jkoan
20:21 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: Image of ubuntu is downloaded. What else do I need?
20:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> AVIC-MRZ02: are you able to run an image? on linux it's "docker run -ti ubuntu:16.04 /bin/bash" for example
20:38 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I don't know let's try. Now I'll copy the command that you write.
20:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
20:40 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> "Unable to find image" it says and then,
20:40 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> pulling from library ubuntu
20:40 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> now it's waiting for a command or something with prompt
20:41 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> root@66cf7dcb8b09:/#
20:42 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> By the way just before root@... , Status: Downloaded newer image for ubuntu:16.04
20:43 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Are we on the right track?
20:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> awesome, it's working
20:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> now try "docker run -ti pgrandin/wince:8.04 /bin/bash" 
20:45 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> :) Good, but I don't know what's working :D
20:45 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> OK. I'm trying
20:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> well docker is working :) now we just need to pull the correct image, and pass it navit's sourcecode
20:46 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> By the way, right now it's waiting for a command or something with root prompt
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha, just type "exit" or press control+D 
20:46 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> OK
20:47 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Couldn't find image locally so it's pulling right now
20:47 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I think it'll take a little bit time
20:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah that image is much bigger :)
20:51 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I'm downloading all these images from docker's store isn't it?
20:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes, correct.
20:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's called the docker hub
20:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's the one we want : https://hub.docker.com/r/pgrandin/wince/
20:54 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Ops. It says, docker: unauthorized: authentication required.
20:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> and here's where we use it for navit : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/wince/.circleci/config.yml#L95 
20:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh that's odd. do you have more context around that error message?
20:55 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Nope. That's the only message, let me try downloading again
20:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
21:12 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR: I'm not sure but must probably this is because of my poor internet connection from home. I'll try to pull tomorrow from office. Still I'm trying right now but I'm hopeless.
21:13 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> After downloading this, do we need to download anything else?
21:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> so this image should be ~285MB
21:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> after this you should only need a copy of navit's sourcecode. everything else is included in the image
21:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> once you have the image and a copy of navit's sourcecode, it's just a matter of starting the container and giving it access to the sourcecode, then compiling the code. and then you get an executable
21:17 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> So, if I just write a code in C with my current IDE (e.g. DEV-C), will it be possible to compile it for WinCE?
21:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> it will, with some work. you'll have to setup cmake for example. but you can use navit as an example :)
21:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> look at the relevant files in the toolchain folder
21:22 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Navit can be used as an example but it may be a complicated example for start, what do you think?
21:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> kind of true yeah. our build is quite complex as we support many, many platforms
21:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> here's the toolchain config for cmake : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/Toolchain/arm-mingw32ce.cmake
21:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha, if i search for cegcc + cmake, the top results are navit related :)
21:24 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I have to install cmake first (I think).
21:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually we might be the only ones using cmake with cegcc
21:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> but they have docs using regular makefiles, which are well suited for smaller projects : http://cegcc.sourceforge.net/documentation.html
21:27 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> A lot of things to read :)
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21:33 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> KaZeR, thanks for all these information. Tonight's "irclog" will be very useful. I'll try to download tomorrow again, also try to read docs about cegcc.
21:34 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Now I have to leave. See you tomorrow. Thanks again :)
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