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15:10 #navit: < arkygeek> hi everyone
15:12 #navit: < arkygeek> so I dusted off my old TomTom Start 20 AO the other week, and thought I’d be able to update it to January 2018 when it said the last support would be valid to… nope. it’s dead now! lol - not a happy chap
15:12 #navit: < arkygeek> anyway, I’m wondering if it’s possible to ressurrect it (the maps are 76 months old or something so it’s unusable anyway, so I’m not scared of bricking it)
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16:27 #navit: < arkygeek> I read something about soldering, but haven’t been able to find details *anywhere* ...
16:27 #navit: < arkygeek> anyone know of a hardware mod for the start 20?
16:44 #navit: <+jkoan> hi arkygeek
16:44 #navit: < arkygeek> hi :-)
16:44 #navit: <+jkoan> you want to install navit on tomtom? :D
16:45 #navit: < arkygeek> yes!
16:45 #navit: <+jkoan> then i am the right guy for you :D 
16:46 #navit: < arkygeek> cool
16:46 #navit: <+jkoan> did your tomtom has a sd card slot?
16:46 #navit: < arkygeek> micro SD yes
16:47 #navit: <+jkoan> do you have it handy right now?
16:47 #navit: < arkygeek> yers
16:47 #navit: < arkygeek> yes
16:47 #navit: < arkygeek> Its a Start 20 S/N A05401F01315
16:48 #navit: < arkygeek> so I’m worried that I might be fighting an uphill battle
16:48 #navit: <+jkoan> if you plug the sd card into your pc, did you got a file called ttsystem in the root??
16:48 #navit: < arkygeek> there is no card in it at the moment
16:48 #navit: < arkygeek> I can put one in though!
16:49 #navit: <+jkoan> ah okay :D good to know
16:49 #navit: <+jkoan> i dont know this exact device, so i need to ask so much questions :D
16:49 #navit: <+jkoan> but if you plug the decive in over usb a mass storage apperes?
16:50 #navit: < arkygeek> no :-(
16:51 #navit: < arkygeek> but should I put in a SD card?
16:51 #navit: <+jkoan> oh, forgot to say you need to restart the device, its only working when booting the device
16:51 #navit: < arkygeek> ok one sec
16:53 #navit: <+jkoan> okay, i have seen this picture now, is this what your device looks like? http://www.navigationsgeraetetest.eu/images/11328/tomtom/tomtom-start-20.jpg
16:55 #navit: < arkygeek> ermmmm
16:55 #navit: < arkygeek> it doesn’t have tomtom logo on it
16:55 #navit: <+jkoan> but the menu looks the same?
16:56 #navit: < arkygeek> yes
16:56 #navit: <+jkoan> thats to bad :/ 
16:57 #navit: < arkygeek> oh dear
16:57 #navit: <+jkoan> thats a device of the new tomtom generation. it basicly uses android with a navigation app on top
16:57 #navit: < arkygeek> ok
16:58 #navit: < arkygeek> can I flash it to linux?
16:58 #navit: < arkygeek> or is it a brick now?
16:59 #navit: <+jkoan> i dont have such a device myself so i cant hack it to install navit. the adaption of navit would probably not so hard since we have navit for android running quite well. 
17:00 #navit: <+jkoan> i dont know a metod to run linux but we can try to hack into it to install navit :D
17:00 #navit: < arkygeek> I’ll happily send it to you if you’d like to play with it if we can’t make it work remotely
17:01 #navit: < arkygeek> I would like to try to hack into it ;-)
17:01 #navit: < arkygeek> I see that it showed up as a USB network connection, so I did a port scan and found that it has the address 169.254.255.2
17:02 #navit: <+jkoan> thats quiet insteresting
17:02 #navit: <+jkoan> do you know adb?
17:02 #navit: < arkygeek> ports 51413 and 53758 are open (TCP)
17:03 #navit: < arkygeek> yes, sure, I use it for my AFTV
17:04 #navit: <+jkoan> seems to be Xsan File system :D
17:05 #navit: < arkygeek> I’m just installing adb
17:05 #navit: < arkygeek> xcode command line tools needed to be installed so taking a few mins
17:05 #navit: <+jkoan> that was only a idea, because its android
17:06 #navit: <+jkoan> only question is how to enable adb on such a device
17:06 #navit: <+jkoan> i havent seen any hack for this one
17:07 #navit: < arkygeek> I am going to be quite choked with tomtom if they have essentially bricked this otherwise perfectly good device … if they kill support for it, why not open it up for other uses…
17:07 #navit: <+jkoan> because thy whant to sell more
17:07 #navit: < arkygeek> seems a shame to me to throw out perfectly good unit
17:07 #navit: < arkygeek> hah! 
17:08 #navit: < arkygeek> never when you can buy an app on your smart phone for a fraction of the price lol
17:08 #navit: <+jkoan> Navit app is even free ;)
17:09 #navit: < arkygeek> I know - I’m a big open source fan
17:09 #navit: < arkygeek> all of the software i write is OS
17:09 #navit: < arkygeek> ok, adb is installed now
17:11 #navit: <+jkoan> did adb recognises the device as a adb device? 
17:12 #navit: < arkygeek> no :-(
17:13 #navit: < arkygeek> but I wonder if thats something to do with the ports?
17:13 #navit: <+jkoan> no, this was only an idea
17:14 #navit: <+jkoan> the ports are a apple file system
17:14 #navit: < arkygeek> ok
17:14 #navit: <+jkoan> you are on a mac? then you can probably mount it some way?
17:15 #navit: < arkygeek> would like to try
17:15 #navit: <+jkoan> dont have any idea how
17:15 #navit: < arkygeek> but it connects via network, not file system it seems
17:17 #navit: <+jkoan> what about try to connect to the ports with adb? adb connect IP:PORT
17:17 #navit: < arkygeek> just trying
17:21 #navit: <+jkoan> did also another port appeared or something else than the usb network?
17:23 #navit: <+jkoan> i dam... 169.254.255.2 is probably an ip address out of the range where it does not found any dhcp server and does manual ip setup
17:24 #navit: <+jkoan> so probably if your pc would provide a dhcp server on the usb network it would take that ip and does other things than now
17:25 #navit: <+jkoan> aerostitch: your fixing issues faster than the ci can handle them :D 
17:26 #navit: < aerostitch> lol
17:26 #navit: < aerostitch> Sorry :D
17:26 #navit: <+jkoan> no problem, already approved all of them
17:29 #navit: <+jkoan> arkygeek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking thats what the device is probably dooing
17:29 #navit: < aerostitch> <3
17:35 #navit: < arkygeek> ph call 1 min
17:37 #navit: <+jkoan> arkygeek: if you would have tomtom home, the software to update the device you could run a wireshark on it and look what the software does when "updateing"/connecting to the device
17:41 #navit: < arkygeek> sorry
17:46 #navit: < arkygeek> jkoan: it won’t connect with TomTom Home
17:46 #navit: < arkygeek> jkoan: you have to use MyDrive Connect :-(
17:47 #navit: <+jkoan> ah okay, dident know how the software was called, never used it :D
17:49 #navit: < arkygeek> just installed wireshark...
17:49 #navit: <+jkoan> sorry for the hassle
17:49 #navit: < arkygeek> I enjoy it :-D
17:49 #navit: <+jkoan> i also only digging around
17:49 #navit: < arkygeek> ok, I don’t really know how to use wireshark
17:50 #navit: <+jkoan> only know that it must have android on it because its in the licenses 
17:50 #navit: < arkygeek> cool
17:50 #navit: <+jkoan> connect the device select the port (usb) and start listening
17:50 #navit: < arkygeek> ok
17:50 #navit: < arkygeek> lots of action
17:51 #navit: <+jkoan> after that start MyDrive and try as much things as possible probably list installed maps ore something like this
17:52 #navit: < arkygeek> I just installed a voice
17:52 #navit: < arkygeek> lots of crap lol
17:52 #navit: <+jkoan> thats good :)
17:52 #navit: <+jkoan> could you save the log and push it online?
17:53 #navit: < arkygeek> yeah
17:53 #navit: <+jkoan> nice
17:53 #navit: < arkygeek> one min to figure that out lol
17:53 #navit: <+jkoan> afk some minutes (making pizza :) )
17:53 #navit: < arkygeek> what do I export?
17:53 #navit: < arkygeek> oh, sure, ok, np
17:54 #navit: <+jkoan> the wireshark log
17:54 #navit: < arkygeek> hmmm
17:54 #navit: < arkygeek> looking
18:00 #navit: < arkygeek> ok, I tried printing it to a PDF but OMG! hundreds of MB in size lol
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18:04 #navit: < mvglasow> Hi folks
18:04 #navit: <+jkoan> arkygeek: save as cap/pcap is enought :D
18:04 #navit: <+jkoan> hi mvglasow
18:04 #navit: < mvglasow> hi jkoan
18:04 #navit: < mvglasow> hi KaZeR, are you around?
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