--- Log opened Mon Aug 06 00:00:49 2018 03:57 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 03:57 -!- mode/#navit [+v xenos1984] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@2001:981:a812:0:213:3bff:fe0f:f43d] has joined #navit 15:39 -!- youte [youte@120.190.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 15:39 -!- mode/#navit [+v youte] by ChanServ 15:39 #navit: <+youte> hi all 16:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 16:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> youte! 17:20 -!- youte [youte@120.190.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [] 17:40 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> Hi KaZeR 17:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey ilovekiruna 17:45 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: This summer was too full 17:45 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> any news on the hardware issue? 18:24 -!- mvglasow [~mvglasow@dslb-188-104-123-177.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #navit 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah looks like this summer is busy for everybody :) 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> hardware issue should be fixed now 19:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> great 19:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> so all systems in proper condition again? 19:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> How did it work? 19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> cp15 purchased a new server and moved our services 19:24 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> wow 19:24 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> great donation 19:24 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> could we supplement it a bit from opencollective? 19:24 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> or add some more money for that? 19:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> excellent question 19:31 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> i think it is unfair to put the whole burden on cp15 19:32 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> btw: KaZeR: we also slowly need to think about FOSDEM 19:32 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I have now one win phone, two sailfish and two androids 19:57 #navit: < mvglasow> hi all, I've just been listening but have been kind of busy as well 19:57 #navit: < mvglasow> KaZeR I sent you an email yesterday but it bounced (unknown recipient) 20:00 #navit: < mvglasow> I attended this year's SOTM and found out the latest news on Opentraffic 20:20 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I plan to file a issue with the oeffi app 20:20 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> why do they use gmaps and not us? 20:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: nice! 20:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: what email domain did you send it to? 20:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: great question 20:55 #navit: < mvglasow> altern.org 20:56 #navit: < mvglasow> in a nutshell, Opentraffic apparently is no longer active 20:56 #navit: < mvglasow> but there is a project which might resurrect it 20:56 #navit: < mvglasow> http://wiki.lafabriquedesmobilites.fr/wiki/Frama_GPS 20:57 #navit: < mvglasow> I spoke with Florian Lainez at SOTM and he gave me Gabriel Plassat's contact data 20:58 #navit: < mvglasow> I dropped Gabriel a message this weekend, but he's currently on vacation 20:58 #navit: < mvglasow> we'll see what comes out of it, I'll keep you posted 21:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: oh yeah altern.org has been dead for 3+ years :) pm 21:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: nice! 21:06 #navit: < mvglasow> KaZeR you've got mail 21:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep got it thanks 21:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> if the project is serious maybe i'll help them with the translations. English will be required if they want to reach a broader audience, which is critical for a project like this one 21:19 #navit: < mvglasow> great, I was going to ask you anyway to be available for support... I realize my rudimentary level of French is becoming more and more of an obstacle :-) 21:21 #navit: < mvglasow> as far as I understood Florian at SOTM they're quire serious, but they are also concerned about getting in a minimum percentage of the population 21:22 #navit: < mvglasow> he mentioned something about 2% (of motorists, I believe), else they wouldn't do it 21:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah that kind of platform can only work if you have enough data anyway. I really hope that they will succeed we need a decent opensource initiative around this 21:23 #navit: < mvglasow> absolutely 21:23 #navit: < mvglasow> we'll have to see how it fits together, they seem to be focused on flow data 21:24 #navit: < mvglasow> which is only part of what one could do with traffic information 21:24 #navit: < mvglasow> there are situations such as persons/animals/ibjects on the road, blakc ice and the like 21:25 #navit: < mvglasow> which have little impact on traffic flow but should generate warnings 21:25 #navit: < mvglasow> TMC has that kind of information, it's a little further down the roadmap for Navit 21:26 #navit: < mvglasow> need to sort out location matching and processing congestion information first, but so far things look promising 21:27 #navit: < mvglasow> I get lots of traffic information in Navit, and stability seems to have improved 21:28 #navit: < mvglasow> I've fixed a few crash/endless loop conditions in message processing and haven't had any others so far 21:29 #navit: < mvglasow> but I need to run it past more real-world data 21:37 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> mvglasow: via the dynamic traffic plugin, could one also realize routes via public transport? 21:38 #navit: < mvglasow> ilovekiruna the traffic plugin probably doesn't hep with that 21:38 #navit: < mvglasow> it's essentially an extra map, generated dynamically, which holds traffic distortion items 21:39 #navit: < mvglasow> the latter essentially modify the speed (or travel time) Navit assumes for that particular segment 21:39 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> if one exchanges different trains, buses, couldnt that also require that one has to choose a different connection based on delays? 21:40 #navit: < mvglasow> if we manage to implement public transport routing, then the plugin might be able to help with managing delays or service cancellations 21:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: nice! how could i help you with that? are you aware of a decent source of data for my area? 21:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> mvglasow: have you seen me mentioning an app exactly for this purpose? 21:43 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> This app has quite some connections already https://gitlab.com/oeffi/oeffi, https://oeffi.schildbach.de/ 21:43 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> could imagine looking into it after i completed my other tasks on navit 21:43 #navit: < mvglasow> KaZeR in the US you're probably out of luck (and France has only encrypted TMC services), but if you happen to visit one of the places mentioned at https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/qz/wikis/countries... 21:43 #navit: < mvglasow> ...and have a TMC dongle you could capture some real-world data 21:44 #navit: < mvglasow> otherwise I'll just pick up what I can get in my local area 21:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> mvglasow: haha ok thanks 21:45 #navit: < mvglasow> KaZeR thanks anyway for the offer 21:45 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: can we discuss the auxmap modifications the coming days? 21:45 #navit: < mvglasow> otherwise, there are plenty of TODO and FIXME comments in the code, so there's still a decent amount of work ahead 21:46 #navit: < mvglasow> ilovekiruna ok, so are you planning to rely on Öffi or similar to feed that kind of information into Navit and use it for routing? 21:47 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> actually I dont like the öffi code itself 21:47 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> it is all in java 21:47 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> as far as i understood it, they use public apis of the different transport providers 21:47 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> and yes, one could use that for routing in a public transport profile 21:48 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> what do you think about it? 21:48 #navit: < mvglasow> sounds like a challenge not unlike adding traffic :-) 21:49 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I see it a bit more like a more long term effort 21:49 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> first I want device farm and my very simple enhancements to the gui 21:49 #navit: < mvglasow> as for current master, routing is based on the assumption that each segment takes a certain amount of time, and this stays the same 21:50 #navit: < mvglasow> traffic introduces the additional challenge of segment costs changing while we are en route 21:51 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> it bugged me that for such things before i knew öffi, i had to use google map and transit :-( 21:51 #navit: < mvglasow> with public transit, segment costs all of a sudden depend on when you reach the segment 21:52 #navit: < mvglasow> so we're likely in for another update to the routing algorithm 21:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> am now trying to remember who presented sth like that in fosdem 21:54 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> maps.me did it 21:55 #navit: < mvglasow> anyway, gotta go now, it's getting late 21:55 #navit: < mvglasow> let's talk another time 21:55 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> sure 21:55 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> should also sleep 21:55 #navit: < mvglasow> bye 21:55 -!- mvglasow [~mvglasow@dslb-188-104-123-177.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: auxmap : yeah ping me anytime 22:49 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Tue Aug 07 00:00:51 2018