--- Log opened Mon Apr 22 00:00:13 2019 00:38 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300EC9BFBB800022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:51 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300EC9BC22700022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 00:51 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ 10:06 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@253.92-221-28.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:40 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@152.94.108.182] has joined #navit 12:40 -!- mode/#navit [+v ilovekiruna] by ChanServ 13:54 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@fd86-98b3-a756-701b-8780-87e7-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 13:54 -!- mode/#navit [+v xenos1984] by ChanServ 14:26 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@fd86-98b3-a756-701b-8780-87e7-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46 #navit: <+jkoan> @kazer: make has a tomtom, so yes its possible. But no automatic way because the gps time is wrong. and there is no other time source. Probably we can write a simple sdl tool to set the time and date 15:46 #navit: <+jkoan> *mike 15:46 #navit: <+jkoan> btw: hi kazer 15:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> hi jkoan 15:52 #navit: <+jkoan> hi ilovekiruna 15:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> hi jkoan 15:52 #navit: <+jkoan> whats up? 15:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> was recently using navit for biking. 15:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> was wondering, any clue how we could achieve that i dont need to bike uphill? 15:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> or to the minimum? 15:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> am a lazy bustard ;-) 15:57 #navit: <+jkoan> i think mvglasgov could know, he modified the routing ;-) 16:01 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I think one "problem" we and also others have is that altitude isnt really considered 16:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> but for applications like hiking or biking, could be rather interesting 16:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> unfortunately, as before I still need to do quite some coding for work 16:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> so i cant invest so much on navit 16:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> hope times will change again 16:09 #navit: <+jkoan> i am currently working on navit to review the graphics (and writing sdl2 driver) and found at least one problem (#774) so i think i dont have time to look into the bike routing thing 16:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: dont worry 16:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> didnt even expect it 16:09 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> if i have ideas, I should solve them myself ;-) 16:10 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> same as I should implement properly the device farm 16:16 #navit: <+jkoan> yep, but i dont have a proper idea currently, so i need to think more about it ;) 16:59 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@152.94.108.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 17:03 #navit: <+jkoan> hi KaZeR 17:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: yeah it should be easy to add a tool to set the date/time. It's worth a try 17:05 #navit: <+jkoan> or just try to add a date set command at stardup for now ;) 17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's how i solved it for the other device :) 17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/pgrandin/navit-buildroot/blob/c228448b339fc425a92ed3d1b2e2138e8d67850a/speedsaver/overlay/etc/init.d/S50gpsd#L13 17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> ugly hack but it worked 17:07 #navit: <+jkoan> but at least you used gpsd 17:08 #navit: <+jkoan> probably thy could have a fix for those outdated gps modules... eg. detect wrong times and so on 17:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, the issue is that gpsd gets whatever data the gps device returns, so a software workaround isn't easy to implement 17:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> getting a correct or at least close enough date on the hardware is probably the better solution 17:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> i did do it via the gpsd script, but it could be done at startup using any other service or script 17:10 #navit: <+jkoan> If it works, yes. Hopefully I can reproduce the error on my device, then I can test a fix 17:11 #navit: <+jkoan> Do you have any other idea how to get the current time without a network connection? 17:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you can ssh into your own device it's easy to test : set an incorrect date, reboot and see if it breaks 17:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> once you have a gps fix, you can use it to set the time. you just need a close enough date first to get the fix 17:12 #navit: <+jkoan> I don't even know if the rtc on the tomtom is in use, but figuring this out will be relatively easy 17:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> hopefully Mike can confirm what date his device is currently set to 17:13 #navit: <+jkoan> Ah wait, he did send images. One moment 17:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> talking about images, i integrated Qt'virtual keyboard in the qml2 UI : https://imgur.com/a/aZMJ0e5 17:15 #navit: <+Navit> Fuck... Date seems to be set to 2019 so no solution there 17:15 #navit: <+Navit> I have seen the commit ;) 17:15 #navit: <+Navit> Have you seen my Sdl2 images and the last issue I created? 17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> about the circles? 17:17 #navit: <+Navit> Yep 17:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep i've seen it. good catch 17:17 #navit: <+jkoan> but i have problems to find where the circle size initially comes from 17:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> don't you just need to implement radius vs diameter in the graphics driver, regardless of where the value comes from? 17:29 #navit: < Mineque> hi KaZeR 17:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey Mineque 17:48 #navit: <+jkoan> hi Mineque 17:49 #navit: < Mineque> hi jkoan 17:50 #navit: <+jkoan> whats up Mineque? :) 17:51 #navit: < Mineque> easter monday 17:51 #navit: < Mineque> too much cakes 17:51 #navit: < Mineque> ;) 18:06 #navit: <+jkoan> yes :D true 19:41 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@253.92-221-28.customer.lyse.net] has joined #navit 19:41 -!- mode/#navit [+v ilovekiruna] by ChanServ 20:12 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@ca64-fa93-9ac8-81dd-8780-87e7-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 20:12 -!- mode/#navit [+v xenos1984] by ChanServ 21:32 #navit: <@Number6> jkoan: Are you ok to take over the role of the bot and the .ie domain? 21:33 #navit: <+jkoan> Hi Number6 21:34 #navit: <+jkoan> I think I can take over the bot, but not sure about the domain because it is quite expensive 21:34 #navit: <@Number6> hey :-) 21:35 #navit: <@Number6> yeah, the domain is expensive 21:35 #navit: <@Number6> It expires in January 2020 21:37 #navit: <+jkoan> It's about 90€ per year. What do you think about paying this out of our opencollective? KaZeR I am also interested at your opinion 21:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: opencollective is more or less disfunct for us 21:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> nobody really pays in any more 21:39 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> but I would be willing to pay 50? a year 21:40 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> if nobody else can, I would also take the whole amount 21:40 #navit: <@Number6> I've been taking the whole amount for ~10 years. I really cant afford it any more 21:41 #navit: <@Number6> We could set up a 301 redirect from the .ie domain to a navit domain 21:41 #navit: <@Number6> With a warning to update bookmarks 21:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> Number 6, you have seen my offer? 21:42 #navit: <@Number6> ilovekiruna: I did, but tbh the only thing it's used for is the irclogs, I don't think that is a justifiable expense for a shorter domain name 21:42 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> before i was contributing 10 euro per month to opencollective 21:43 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I wonder why we dont use navit.ie also to host our website, as a kind of alias 21:43 #navit: <@Number6> I was wondering about that as wel 21:43 #navit: <@Number6> *well 21:44 #navit: <+jkoan> Number6: irc los were really the only thing? 21:44 #navit: <@Number6> yes 21:44 #navit: <@Number6> that and a 302 redirect from navit.ie to the main page 21:45 #navit: <@Number6> Dunno if we want a ccTLD instead of a gTLD 21:45 #navit: <+jkoan> Then I am with you to drop it, quite sad, but it's not worth the money in my opinion 21:45 #navit: <@Number6> jkoan: OK, I will stop the autorenew. Do you want the logs? 21:45 #navit: <+jkoan> Would be a good starting point 21:46 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: could we host the logging then on navit-project.org? 21:46 #navit: <@Number6> ok, I'll create an account for you tomorrow (it's nealy 11pm here) 21:46 #navit: <+jkoan> Number6: do you also know who hosts the build and map servers? 21:47 #navit: <@Number6> jkoan: can you please email me your public SSH key to navit@geoghegan.me? 21:47 #navit: <+jkoan> Number6: your also in Germany, right? 21:47 #navit: <@Number6> jkoan: some of them are mine, most are Martins. I'm based in Ireland 21:47 #navit: <@Number6> IIRC maps3 is mine 21:48 #navit: <+jkoan> Do you also know who has the hardware which navit won at a German award back in the days? 21:48 #navit: <@Number6> No clue 21:48 #navit: <@Number6> Martin looked after all that 21:48 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> Number6: just to be curious, why did we have two domains in the first place? 21:48 #navit: <@Number6> But it looks like he's gone now. I hope he's still alive 21:48 #navit: <@Number6> I got navit.ie as a shorter domain name 21:49 #navit: <@Number6> Back when I worked for an Irish webhosting company, which is like 5 jobs ago 21:51 #navit: <+jkoan> Back in 2010 we win a prize from Thomas krenn AG for money to build the map conversion servers 21:51 #navit: <@Number6> FWIW, I can give AWS account credits that last until the end of the year for more map servers 21:52 #navit: <@Number6> Like 200 USD 21:53 #navit: <+jkoan> How much progressessing power does a mapserver needs to build a map every day? ^^ 21:53 #navit: <+jkoan> BTW who owns the right on the map extractor software source code? 21:54 #navit: <@Number6> no clue to both questions 21:55 #navit: <+jkoan> But on the second you know what i mean? 21:56 #navit: <+jkoan> BTW have send you the pub key link in private message 21:56 #navit: <@Number6> Got it, thanks. Will add your account tomorrow on the maps server and DM you 21:56 #navit: <+jkoan> Thx :) 21:56 #navit: <@Number6> *IRC logs server 21:57 #navit: <@Number6> I don't think the map server code is FOSS, I think Martin kept that under his hat as a selling point for companies 21:57 #navit: <@Number6> I remember making changes to it about a decade ago 21:58 #navit: <+jkoan> Martin is not in irc anymore, right? 21:58 #navit: <@Number6> Yeah, he's not 21:58 #navit: <@Number6> cp15 was his name 21:59 #navit: <+jkoan> Ah, have seen him some times. But not often or long 22:00 #navit: <@Number6> I stayed in the same camper van as him at CeBIT a number of years ago. Meeting up with a random man from the internet for a week and I didn't get murdered! :-P 22:00 #navit: <+jkoan> :D and now Cebit got killed ;) 22:01 #navit: <@Number6> really? Awwwww 22:01 #navit: <+jkoan> Yep it's dead 22:14 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@ca64-fa93-9ac8-81dd-8780-87e7-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@253.92-221-28.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Apr 23 00:00:15 2019