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[14:37:40] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Good day : )
[15:21:27] <Navit> <jkoan> Hi all
[15:23:44] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Hi
[15:24:40] <Navit> <jkoan> Hi @C.H:~$ die you got your map working?
[15:25:18] <Navit> <jkoan> I am just following up the last messages, hadn't been online since some time
[15:25:29] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Thanks for asking not yet : ) Havent put much time on it.
[15:26:31] <Navit> <jkoan> Sorry if you wrote it again, but I haven't read through all messages yet, are you using linux, and if so, how did you installed navit?
[15:26:56] <Navit> <jkoan> I think the image is a old Ubuntu?
[15:29:39] <Navit> <jkoan> Just found it, Ubuntu 18.04
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[15:32:06] <Navit> <C.H:~$> No problem. Im on Linux yes, have been for about 15+ years.   As you mention currently using Ubuntu 18.04 on this machine.  Thing is, i thought something was wrong, with the Navit release found in Ubuntu Software Center, as well as synaptic.  But now i know, those were only the same issues with reading the map, as i have now with the version built from source.  So basicly, from what i know now, Navit version 0.5
[15:32:07] <Navit> is atleast available, in Software Center / Synaptic.
[15:33:06] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Building also works, with a few errors / exceptions.
[15:34:31] <Navit> <jkoan> Ah okay, and you aren't able to update to the latest version of Ubuntu or any other distro?
[15:37:01] <Navit> <C.H:~$> The version found on Github, works for me, besides the map loading issue.  But i havent investigated what that is about, so far.
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[16:12:27] <Navit> <jkoan> have you installed navit from the repo while running the navit version from github (portable)?
[16:15:36] <Navit> <jkoan> if so, the portable navit whill load /etc/navit/navit.xml. But you can apply the path to the config you wanne use as first argument: like navit ./linux/navit/navit.xml
[16:31:29] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Im not sure i understand, the version i have now, is the one i built from source.  And here are the current errors.
[16:31:30] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763800745476227182/Screenshot_from_2020-10-08_19-29-37.png
[16:32:16] <Navit> <jkoan> but do you have installed the version from the softwarecenter as well?
[16:32:49] <Navit> <C.H:~$> No, i deleted it before i built.
[16:33:22] <Navit> <jkoan> could you please check if /etc/navit/navit.xml is existing?
[16:35:27] <Navit> <C.H:~$> It is, as i was editing it earlier, but then, ilovekiruna got me a bit confused, as the question was asked, which one of the navit.xml files im editing.  So i know its there, but my question is rather, are there several files supposed to be navit.xml both by name and file extension ?
[16:36:32] <Navit> <jkoan> ideally no, but actually yes, navit loads the file from /etc/... first, so thats the one you need to edit
[16:37:50] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Oh oke, wait a sec.  Then the issue might just be here.  Could you please confirm what the filepath is supposed to be that specific file ?
[16:38:01] <Navit> <C.H:~$> In the navit dir
[16:39:01] <Navit> <jkoan> yes, one sec, i will check the code
[16:41:15] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Is it this one ?
[16:41:16] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763803207150338119/navit.xml
[16:42:01] <Navit> <jkoan> this is the main configuration file, yes, but the path is important, is should be /etc/navit/navit.xml
[16:44:42] <Navit> <jkoan> or to try out navit and be sure to use the correct config just run navit from commandline and specify the config explicetly: navit /home/blablub/my/path/to/navits_config/navit.xml
[16:46:40] <Navit> <C.H:~$> At this time, im rather looking for a longer time fix.   Im gonna have to catch up, and check where the assignment for that configuration file happens again.
[16:49:53] <Navit> <jkoan> which assignment?
[16:54:45] <Navit> <C.H:~$> I think i misunderstood.
[16:56:08] <Navit> <jkoan> okay, lets do a fist step and check if navit is in fact working when running it with the correct configuration
[16:56:23] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Oke
[16:57:16] <Navit> <jkoan> you said you where edeting one of the two navit.xml files back then. This was Probably the ~/navit/navit/navit.xml, is that right?
[16:57:29] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Correct : )
[16:58:14] <Navit> <jkoan> then just try to run this: ~/navit/navit/navit ~/navit/navit/navit.xml
[17:08:04] <Navit> <C.H:~$> :~$ ~/navit/navit/navit ~/navit/navit/navit.xml error:navit:plugins_init:Warning: No plugins found. Is Navit installed correctly? error:navit:map_new:invalid type 'textfile' error:navit:graphics_new:Failed to load graphics plugin gtk_drawing_area. error:navit:traffic_new:wrong type 'null' error:navit:vehicle_new:invalid source 'gpsd://localhost': unknown type 'gpsd' error:navit:speech_new:wrong type 'cmdline'
[17:08:05] <Navit> error:navit:xinclude:Unable to include '/usr/local/share/navit/maps/*.xml' error:navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile' error:navit:xinclude:Unable to include '/home/eramark-hack/.navit/navit_layout_*.xml' error:navit:xinclude:Unable to include '/usr/local/share/navit/navit_layout_*.xml' error:navit:navit_init:FATAL: No GUI available.  Response.
[17:09:07] <Navit> <jkoan> whats your PWD? please try again when inside ~/navit/navit
[17:09:23] <Navit> <C.H:~$> My excuses. One sec
[17:10:30] <Navit> <C.H:~$> :~/navit/navit$ ~/navit/navit/navit ~/navit/navit/navit.xml Running from source directory Gtk-Message: 20:09:57.858: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" error:navit:plugin_load:can't load '/home/eramark-hack/navit/navit/vehicle/gpsd/.libs/libvehicle_gpsd.so', plugin_init not found error:navit:vehicle_new:invalid source 'gpsd://localhost': unknown type 'gpsd' error:navit:xinclude:Unable to include
[17:10:31] <Navit> '/home/eramark-hack/navit/navit/maps/*.xml' error:navit:xml_parse_file:could not open XML file error:navit:traffic_get_messages_from_xml_file:could not retrieve stored traffic messages
[17:10:53] <Navit> <jkoan> but navit launches?
[17:10:57] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Yes
[17:11:04] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Without map.
[17:11:32] <Navit> <jkoan> it could be that it is loading, but showing munich (germany)
[17:11:41] <Navit> <jkoan> or is this inside your map?
[17:13:14] <Navit> <C.H:~$> This is what originally made me believe that something was broken. As the screen is just yellow.  I never clicked before ilovekiruna asked if the menu shows up if i click.  I got the .bin file representing Finland, and earlier, i tested fixing my position to a center point in Finland.  The coordinates were correct, but there was no visible map.
[17:13:22] <Navit> <C.H:~$> I can try moving there again.
[17:14:07] <Navit> <jkoan> you can try just to search for something and then "View on map"
[17:18:13] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Im not really able to proceed searching, after entering street.
[17:18:14] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763812506430734377/Screenshot_from_2020-10-08_20-17-35.png
[17:19:09] <Navit> <jkoan> is the county set correctly? (click the X on the top left and look if its your contry flag)
[17:20:08] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Yes, the Finnish flag is there. Before, i was a bit confused about the flag.  It was just a few minutes ago, i noticed its the country selection : )
[17:20:40] <Navit> <jkoan> yes, UI and UX is far from perfect
[17:21:18] <Navit> <C.H:~$> I tested an alternative street, but im not able to proceed.  Gonna have to try the coordinates.
[17:21:34] <Navit> <jkoan> could you please recheck that within ~/navit/navit/navit ~/navit/navit/navit.xml the mapset and map are set correctly?
[17:24:44] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763814111498076191/Screenshot_from_2020-10-08_20-24-09.png
[17:26:19] <Navit> <jkoan> Look at Settings -> Maps within Navit is there your map listed?
[17:30:59] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Should it be listed like the title of the map file or?  You mean in the Ui right ? : )
[17:30:59] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763815718516162620/Screenshot_from_2020-10-08_20-30-03.png
[17:31:27] <Navit> <jkoan> th ui is right, but it should list the filename
[17:31:37] <Navit> <jkoan> so the config probably has an error
[17:32:54] <Navit> <jkoan> ah, within line 416 disable the mapset, navit only supports one mapset, you only want to enable line 421
[17:33:48] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Yeeeeyyy! Thanks alot!  That did it : )
[17:35:14] <Navit> <jkoan> okay, now we got it working via cli, now try without the explicit mention of the config. (cli only navit)
[17:36:16] <Navit> <C.H:~$> It still works : )
[17:36:24] <Navit> <jkoan> nice 🙂
[17:36:49] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Yeyyy : )  Thanks alot, this could have taken me a long time : )
[17:37:22] <Navit> <jkoan> i also thought about it multiple times and run into dead ends
[17:39:20] <Navit> <C.H:~$> One thing i instantly notice with the map, "as with living in the country of a thousand lakes" That the title of the lakes, is represented as a small text, repeatedly along the path of the lakeshore, rather than a large centered text over the lake.  Not that im here to navigate the waters but. 😂
[17:40:58] <Navit> <jkoan> could you send a screenshot for that?
[17:41:44] <Navit> <C.H:~$> OSM Style.
[17:41:44] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763818422257057842/OSM.png
[17:41:55] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Navit
[17:41:55] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763818468558372874/Screenshot_from_2020-10-08_20-35-49.png
[17:42:35] <Navit> <jkoan> ah i see
[17:42:51] <Navit> <C.H:~$> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/763818705566040084/Navit.png
[17:43:03] <Navit> <jkoan> yep, got it 😄
[17:44:21] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Haha, just wanted to zoom in, and show, that it feels like the title is repeated, along a nodepath, or whatever that lake consists of in the .bin file
[17:46:43] <Navit> <jkoan> tats possible, see the picture from here: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/873
[17:49:22] <Navit> <C.H:~$> I see. Interesting!  Thanks : )
[17:50:29] <Navit> <C.H:~$> For how long has Navit been around btw ? : )
[17:52:41] <Navit> <jkoan> thats a good question, i am around 2017 i guess. but at lease 2005
[17:52:53] <Navit> <jkoan> least
[17:55:59] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Ahhh. Oke : ) Nice.
[17:57:10] <Navit> <jkoan> but unfortunately we have not a lot of active developers
[17:59:22] <Navit> <C.H:~$> I posted here, earlier. https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/982#issuecomment-705626822  Im very interested in the APRS specific functionality.  I wonder what the state is of the direwolf implementation, mentioned in there.  Just asking, as i got some hardware connected to this Pc, that i currently run direwolf on.  Would be awesome to check that out in Navit.
[18:00:16] <Navit> <C.H:~$> omg, just now i noticed. That you posted about the direwolf implementation 😄
[18:01:11] <Navit> <jkoan> yes, i am one of the more active maintainers 😉 (not soooo mutch of a developer)
[18:01:48] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Oh wow! May i ask, what the state is, of the direwolf specific implementations ?
[18:03:11] <Navit> <jkoan> i just looked at it once, for me this isn't a real implementation, at best its a good hack.
[18:04:13] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Okey, i have no idea, how Navit does things so far. But it sounds very interesting, be it a hack : )
[18:05:52] <Navit> <jkoan> But perharps you can explain me whats the usage would be, is it to see a lot of other "things" or is it like get the own vehicle position to actually route?
[18:14:28] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Ofc navigation is the main purpose. But being able to display other aprs stations would be fantastic.  Be it then as a separate addon / setting in Navid.  Well the thing is, if the source of APRS is via Internet, one normally sets filters, with the Callsign prefixes for a country.  Showing / handling all the stations in the world, is very intensive.  When the data is received over radio, as i am doing now, this
[18:14:29] <Navit> cind of takes care of itself.
[18:15:35] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Are you a amateur radio operator btw ?
[18:16:35] <Navit> <jkoan> not even close, i understand how wifi, radio and such are basicaly working, but nothing more 😄
[18:16:52] <Navit> <jkoan> which informations are send via APRS? only positions of various  objects, or other things as well?
[18:17:12] <Navit> <C.H:~$> Ahhh oke! Then im a back on track : )
[18:17:53] <Navit> <C.H:~$> One sec .Il dm you the output im receiving now.
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[20:24:41] <Navit> <jkoan> Hi all i had a lot of talk with @C.H:~$ today and we are working on https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/982 we already got some ideas and a little concept. I opened the #aprs chatroom to seperate this discussion from any general questions. This also means that every peope that are reading this message directly on irc are not going to see things that are going to relate to aprs. So please join the Discord it
[20:24:41] <Navit> the topic is interesting to you. https://discord.com/invite/ADfXxZx For everyone already on Discord fell free to move over to #aprs as well 😉
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[22:45:00] <Navit> <viktorgino> hi all, I've just pushed some more changes qml-gui-wip branch. Search is now functional, next thing to do will be adding some of the OSD items to the ui, namely : next turn, distance for next turn, current street name, speed cam warning, speed warning, current speed and speed limit