--- Log opened Tue May 17 00:00:00 2011 00:04 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-099-081-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 00:05 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 00:06 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:18 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:33 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has joined #navit 00:35 -!- Cyberish [~chatzilla@88.85.62.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36 -!- Cyberish [~chatzilla@88.85.62.198] has joined #navit 02:09 -!- Cyberish [~chatzilla@88.85.62.198] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 03:03 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@f054017062.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:04 -!- noradtux [~quassel@g224048041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:28 -!- cp15` [vglper@p57B1C86D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:28 -!- cp15 [tgzytv@p57B1CA56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:28 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:28 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 03:32 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-104-189-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:49 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-178-007-200-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 06:15 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 06:58 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has joined #navit 07:04 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 07:19 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DAEE.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 07:47 < Mineque> hi 08:04 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:04 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 08:12 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DAEE.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:16 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DFE4.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 08:21 < rd> I think I broke espeak support in my n900 navit package. Does anybody know if I need to configure some special to enable it? 08:26 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 08:43 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:12 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@can59-1-82-66-134-145.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #navit 09:16 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host233-158-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #navit 09:16 < pbaxter> hi all! 10:04 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 10:04 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 10:09 -!- chollya [~Denis@95-10-68-178.baltnet.ru] has joined #navit 10:09 < chollya> Hi 10:38 -!- apmon [~apm@dhcp-84-54.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #navit 10:56 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 11:07 < chollya> cp15: ping? 11:14 -!- ChrisZzz [daba11f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.17.249] has joined #navit 11:15 < ChrisZzz> hi 11:15 < ChrisZzz> anyone here ? 11:16 -!- ChrisZzz [daba11f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.17.249] has quit [Client Quit] 11:16 < drlizau> 2 minutes isn't a long time to wait for a response 11:17 -!- ChrisZzz [daba11f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.17.249] has joined #navit 11:17 < Mineque> drlizau: you have second chance :D 11:20 < drlizau> hi Mineque 11:21 < Mineque> hey ;) 11:34 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:44 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 11:48 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 11:51 -!- ChrisZzz [daba11f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.17.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52 -!- Tachyx [tach@tachnb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #navit 11:52 -!- Tachycek [tach@tachnb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54 -!- akashihi [~Denis@95-10-68-178.baltnet.ru] has joined #navit 11:55 -!- chollya [~Denis@95-10-68-178.baltnet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:58 -!- chriszzz [daba11f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.17.249] has joined #navit 11:59 < chriszzz> Hi 11:59 < chriszzz> I've downloaded Navit for Android a couple of days ago 11:59 < chriszzz> It has exceeded my expectations for a free software except in one area 11:59 < chriszzz> I don't know how to use the search feature 12:00 < chriszzz> i am using the Main Menu->Actions->Town feature 12:00 < chriszzz> I set the country to Singapore 12:00 < drlizau> which maps and which general area 12:00 < chriszzz> I downloaded the Malaysia+Singapore map 12:00 < drlizau> some places on earth are not searchable 12:01 < chriszzz> I also tried the Australia map, wihch I downloaded from Navit Planet Extractor 12:02 < chriszzz> the search results for Singapore is always empty. 12:02 < chriszzz> the search results for Australia are kind of strange 12:03 < chriszzz> For Example, it fails to find Sydney in Australia. 12:03 < chriszzz> but it can find Darling Habour ( which is located IN Sydney ) 12:04 < drlizau> that is because the australian data has a lot of boundary data 12:04 < drlizau> so that the search can work 12:04 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:05 < chriszzz> erm, i'm not sure I understand 12:05 < drlizau> and it implies that the Australian Bureau of Statistics doesn't believe that Sydney is a suburb ;) 12:05 < chriszzz> the wiki says I should search for country->town->street. 12:06 < chriszzz> so for australia, wouldn't Sydney be considered a town ? 12:06 < drlizau> not at all 12:06 < drlizau> its a city 12:07 < chriszzz> eh.. i'm not a cartography expert, but isn't a city just a huge town ? 12:07 < chriszzz> then how would I do a search then, if Sydney cannot be used as a town ? 12:08 < drlizau> you need the actual suburb name or the town 12:08 < chriszzz> and, can i just search for a POI by name ? I see there are lots of POI, but they don't show up in any searches 12:09 < drlizau> no idea there 12:09 < chriszzz> searching by suburbs i guess would be a problem for someone who is just visiting sydney and is not familiar with the suburb names. 12:10 < drlizau> checking with someone else, the sydney boundary might be broken too 12:10 < chriszzz> actually, all i want to do is to search for a some POIs by name and auto-route there. 12:10 < drlizau> but if you want to find a street you have to know something else about where it is 12:11 < chriszzz> Well, say I want to find the Sydney Opera House 12:11 < chriszzz> millions of people know it by name, but not many know the street it is on. 12:11 < chriszzz> or the suburb it is in. 12:12 < drlizau> i don't think that the search deals with that problem 12:12 < chriszzz> i thought the logical thing to do would be to search for "Opera House" and it shoudl come up 12:12 < chriszzz> i was afraid of that. 12:12 < drlizau> needs to be logged in the bugtracker 12:12 < chriszzz> that would make the search only useful for people who are already familiar with the place. 12:13 < chriszzz> i see. how to I get to the bugtracker ? 12:14 < drlizau> first you need a wiki account, to be able to log in 12:15 < chriszzz> one more qns. what if the country does not have towns ? 12:15 < Number6> Ok. I see the problem 12:15 < chriszzz> say, my original problem was with Singapore 12:15 < drlizau> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Reporting_Bugs 12:15 < Number6> chriszzz: Sydney does not have an "is_in" tag in th eOSM data 12:15 < chriszzz> Singapore is a tiny country that is not further divided into towns or anythig like that 12:16 < chriszzz> oh 12:16 < chriszzz> i read something about the in_in tag in the wiki somewhere 12:16 < chriszzz> so that means it will not be searched ? 12:16 < Number6> Navit uses the is_in tag to determine where a city is 12:16 < Number6> And for the search index under "Towns" 12:17 < Number6> Ditto for Singapore 12:17 < chriszzz> do POIs also have to have the is_in tag ? 12:18 < Number6> No, just towns 12:18 < chriszzz> but POIs don't get searched anyway, right ? 12:19 < chriszzz> so, just out of curioisty, the is_in tag requirement is a Navit requirement, or a OSM requirement ? 12:19 < Number6> Navit 12:19 < Number6> We're working on usinga different system, but because of the way relations and boundreies work in the OSM data, it will take far far longer to compute the planet from OSM data to navit 12:20 < chriszzz> So, can I conclude that Navit's search requirements that limits the results it can find. 12:20 < chriszzz> i see 12:20 < chriszzz> well, i am definitely impresssed with how well Navit works even though it is free, and that it runs on so many platforms 12:20 < Number6> We do try 12:21 < chriszzz> i got around to configuring the navit.xml file too, and it's incredibly flexible. 12:21 < Number6> If you get an openstreetmap account, just add the is_in tag on the main town node 12:21 < Number6> For Singapore, it's http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/531668011 12:21 < chriszzz> the only setback I've hit is the search feature, esp with regards to searching for POIs. 12:21 < chriszzz> hmm... ok, maybe I'll try that 12:22 < chriszzz> so, after that, how long does it take for it to be available in the Planet extractor ? 12:23 < Number6> About a day or two 12:23 < Number6> The maps are generated daily, but the diffs we use might be a day behind 12:23 < chriszzz> OK that's fine. Thanks for the replies. I'll give your suggestions a go. 12:24 < Number6> I had to modify the parsing of the data for Ireland, we use a different tag. 12:24 < chriszzz> and maybe raise a feature request to search for POIs, like how the Garmin GPSr do. 12:24 < chriszzz> O 12:24 < chriszzz> does that mean every country needs a diff tag ? 12:24 < Number6> If you can find a tag ONLY used by Oz / Singapore, let me know and I'll test it out for you 12:25 < chriszzz> ok, but i dun understand how that helps. 12:25 < Number6> Ireland uses a tag called place_county instead of is_in - the end requirements are the same. 12:25 < Number6> But most people use is_in 12:25 < chriszzz> OK. that's good enough for me :-) 12:26 < chriszzz> thanks Number6, and DrLizau 12:26 < chriszzz> i gotta go now 12:26 < chriszzz> thanks for the replies 12:26 < chriszzz> really appreciate it, and the great software you provide. 12:26 < Number6> I'll take a look at the OSM data, and see if something can be done 12:26 < chriszzz> awesome. 12:26 < chriszzz> my email is aaaapublic@gmail.com, in case you want to contact me for any reason 12:27 < Number6> Don't give out emails, this channel is publically logged :-) 12:27 < chriszzz> gotta go. ciao, and thanks again 12:27 < chriszzz> oh, rats. oh well. 12:27 < Number6> Pop in, when you can, in a few days. I'll have figured something out by then 12:27 < chriszzz> ok, thanks. 12:27 < chriszzz> bye, and thanks again! 12:44 < Number6> No problem. Be good 12:53 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48 -!- akashihi [~Denis@95-10-68-178.baltnet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:49 -!- apmon [~apm@dhcp-84-54.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: apmon] 14:28 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has joined #navit 14:29 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has left #navit [] 14:34 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has left #navit [] 14:39 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 15:05 -!- skamster [~quassel@77-56-73-44.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #navit 15:05 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DFE4.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:38 -!- sera_ [~sera@214-14.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 15:40 -!- sera [~sera@66-170.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:02 -!- skamster [~quassel@77-56-73-44.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23 -!- apmon [~apm@dhcp-84-30.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #navit 16:38 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 16:43 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 16:54 -!- akashihi [~Denis@46-201-55-95.baltnet.ru] has joined #navit 16:54 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host233-158-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:08 < akashihi> cp15: ping? 17:08 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:28 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 17:46 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 17:50 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 17:56 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:58 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 18:12 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 18:17 -!- antenna11 [~antenna1@178.7.3.28] has joined #navit 18:18 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-092-075-118-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 18:38 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 18:45 -!- Tachyx [tach@tachnb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45 -!- Tachyx [tach@tachnb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #navit 19:05 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 19:08 -!- apmon [~apm@dhcp-84-30.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: apmon] 19:14 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225006186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 19:45 -!- akashihi [~Denis@46-201-55-95.baltnet.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52 < antenna11> Mineque: what's the best background color to work with if you want to replace the background with transparancy later. If you were using a white background color, the transition is obious on dark backgrounds, so what color should I take? 19:52 < Mineque> w8 a while 19:52 < Mineque> i have call 19:53 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 20:04 < Mineque> hmm 20:04 < Mineque> i'm not sure 20:04 < Mineque> what you mean 20:04 < Mineque> antenna11: could you expand? 20:07 < antenna11> Mineque: well, if you want to create a button, you use a bitmap and remove the background...and there is a transition from the button to the background color you were using before. And if you have a light background color, the transition to that light color is visible on dark backgrounds. 20:08 < Mineque> antenna11: in photoshop i dont have color at default layer 20:09 < Mineque> from beginning i'm working with empty background 20:09 < Mineque> or i'm too tired to understand ;p 20:19 < Mineque> antenna11: i'm using empty file 20:19 < Mineque> and then each item on different layers 20:23 -!- takuan [~takuan@178-119-242-56.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 20:30 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:30 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 20:32 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@16.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has left #navit [] 20:57 < Mineque> antenna11: you know what i mean?? 21:16 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:20 < antenna11> Mineque: yeah, I know what you mean, thanks. There was just a corel tutorial I followed and the auther said you need to fit the icons to different backgrounds 21:20 < Mineque> could you link that to that tutorial? 21:27 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 21:28 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 21:29 < antenna11> Mineque: it's german and the speaker has a gay, sniffy voice, but i'll try to find it 21:29 < Mineque> hehe :D 21:30 < Mineque> it's video tut? 21:30 < antenna11> yes 21:30 < antenna11> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1DFHa0auSA 21:30 < Mineque> hmm 21:31 < Mineque> you want to have at the end svg or png? 21:31 < antenna11> png, I save the files as png with corel draw 21:32 < Mineque> in the movie at the beginning it's photshop 21:33 < antenna11> he just shows, what he's talking about 21:33 < antenna11> about that it is not possible saving half-transparent pictures 21:33 < antenna11> *pixels 21:33 < antenna11> not pictures 21:34 < antenna11> so I don't understand how you can have those 21:34 < Mineque> hmm 21:34 < Mineque> antenna11: prv 21:55 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 21:57 -!- antenna11 [~antenna1@178.7.3.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-178-007-003-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 22:20 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225006186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 22:32 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06 -!- Tachyx [tach@tachnb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has left #navit ["."] 23:28 -!- apmon [~apm@dhcp-84-30.eduroam.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #navit --- Log closed Wed May 18 00:00:00 2011