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07:37 < Mineque> hi
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08:32 < tryagain> hi Number6! Can you pleas givew me a way how to contact woglinde besides the channel?
09:12 <@Horwitz> morgen
09:15 < tryagain> hi
09:34 < Number6> tryagain: I'm afraid I don't have any contact details for him, apart from the channel
09:34 < tryagain> ok.. Will wait him here.
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10:08 < tryagain> Changed http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php?title=Translations&diff=5292&oldid=4325 to reflect speech-cmdline interface changes.
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10:45 < tryagain> Another documentation update for speech_cmdline: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php?title=Configuring_Navit&diff=5293&oldid=5202
10:50 < tryagain> Number6 --disable-speech-cmdline should be not needed on WinCE. Do you confirm? If so I will update http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Windows
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12:04 < Durango> hi, i usa a mobile device with windows. navit works but i don't know the way to the map on sd
12:04 < Durango> i mean the path
12:04 < Number6> Durango: What version of Windows? WinCE, WinMobile or Win32?
12:05 < Number6> tryagain: I'll check when I go home. My cross compiler is broken, so I'm using an old version of Mingw32
12:06 < Durango> i don't know the win-version
12:06 < Number6> Is it a mobile device, or a computer?
12:06 < Durango> it seem to be a winCE 6.x
12:07 < Durango> mobile device
12:07 < Number6> Ok. Put the map binfile into the maps folder and edit your navit.xml
12:07 < Mineque> damm we need some gui for config editing
12:07 < Mineque> ;]
12:08 < Number6> find where it says "binfile" and just rename the binfile filename to be that of the file you've moved into the directory
12:08 < Durango> it was my first try so... but there was no map as i start navit
12:08 < Number6> Yeah, it's trying to find a mapo that doesn't exist
12:08 < Number6> *map
12:10 < Number6>
12:16 < Durango> no way... no map
12:17 < Durango> i tryed on my yakumo handheld (winCE 4.2)
12:18 < tryagain> Durango What map do you use? Do you have GPS signal? Default map supplied with Navit is a littele piece around Munich...
12:18 < tryagain> littel
12:18 < tryagain> little
12:18 < tryagain> :)
12:19 < Durango> there the path was ...STORAGE CARD/navitmap.bin
12:20 < Durango> ok
12:20 < Durango> i retry
12:21 < Durango> where i see the gps-signal
12:22 < Number6> You should see a blue circle with a dot or an arrow
12:23 < Durango> no, so i have no signal
12:23 < Durango> perhaps i don't wait enough coz i see no map
12:27 < tryagain> To get GPS position you shlud configure your GPS device at first. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit#Vehicle
12:28 < tryagain> But map shlud work anyway. You should be able to find something with search function. What you will find depends on the map used ;)
12:30 < Durango> different from handheld... on the handheld navit is installed on device, for the navi i put navit and the map on the SD-card
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12:32 < pini> Hi there
12:33 < tryagain> hi pini
12:36 < pini> when I use a bookmark file as a mapset, how is it supposed to be rendered into navit?
12:37 < pini> Seen on the wiki : "yes,it's a map, so you can use it in your mapset and see your bookmarks on map"
12:38 < pini> But I don't see anything :/
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12:42 < korrosa> pini: You'll need to add a bookmark POI into your map layout...
12:42 < korrosa> With an associated icon etc.
12:43 < pini> korrosa: in navit.xml?
12:43 < pini> or in the bookmark file?
12:43 < korrosa> navit.xml.
12:43 < Mineque> hi korrosa
12:44 < korrosa> hi Mineque!
12:44 < pini> korrosa: thx, will give it a try.
12:47 < korrosa> pini: Have a read of http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/735
12:48 < korrosa> pini: Especially comment 5: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/735#comment:5
12:50 < pini> korrosa: great; nothing commited yet?
12:50 < Number6> Durango: Did you install from the Cab, or from Zip?
12:51 < Durango> i take the installed files from my yakumo
12:51 < korrosa> pini: Not as far as I know.
12:51 < Durango> i can't install it from cab coz the desktop is not free
12:54 < pini> korrosa: ok; I've added a link to the ticket in the wiki. thx
12:55 < korrosa> pini: Cool - we should probably have a separate wiki page about bookmarks, the bookmark file and how to use it. I'll have a think...
12:55 < korrosa> (I mean from a users perspective, not a coder)
13:10 < Durango> now i use the files from zip
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13:17 < Durango> same
13:21 < pini> korrosa: seems the textfile isn't used when the main mapset is of type binfile; do I need to convert it to a binfile first?
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13:24 < Durango> i use the the zip-file, navit runs but it don't find the standart-map
13:26 < korrosa> pini: No, it should just work.
13:28 < korrosa> I have csv, text and binfile maps all within one mapset. (Remember you can only enable one mapset at a time, but you can have as many maps within a mapset as you like)
13:30 < pini> korrosa: doh... my fault :/ thought a mapset should be of one type only. it work fine now. thx again.
13:33 < korrosa> pini: No problem!
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14:35 < tryagain> korrosa please take a look at my today Wiki changes for speech_cmdline. Are you happy? :)
14:38 < korrosa> tryagain: Yup, saw that earlier today - I'll tidy up the grammar a bit later, but it all makes sense! Thanks for taking the time to do that!
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15:18 < pini> How destination.txt should look like when using waypoint?
15:18 < pini> I've tried http://pastebin.com/seG96YgU
15:18 < pini> Route calculation seems ok, but navit hangs as soon as the first waypoint is reached
15:19 < pini> with *** glibc detected *** navit: malloc(): smallbin double linked list corrupted
15:24 < korrosa> pini: Seems like you're implenting multi-routing fine in destination.txt, but that Navit crashes for another reason. Are you using the demo vehicle to test?
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15:27 < pini> korrosa: yes, using the demo vehicle
15:27 < pini> bbl (grab the kids at school)
15:28 < Mineque> pini: be carefull to pick right kids :D
15:28 < korrosa> Grabbing kids from schools will get you shot.
15:28 < korrosa> Lol, we're sick!
15:28 < Mineque> :D
15:29 < korrosa> Back on topic, I've experienced Navit crashing when the demo vehicle has reached the end of a route. I'm sure there's a ticket about it somewhere...
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16:02 < CIA-84> martin-s * r4497 /trunk/navit/navit/attr.c: Fix:Core:Display all attribute flags
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16:37 < |realn|> hello ?
16:37 < |realn|> I need some help
16:38 < |realn|> hello ?
16:42 < tryagain> hi
16:42 < tryagain> |realn| ping
16:43 < |realn|> hi
16:43 < tryagain> What is your question?
16:43 < |realn|> my question is - where can I get some info related to navit ?
16:43 < |realn|> and give some feedback ?
16:44 < korrosa> http://trac.navit-project.org/ for tickets and feature requests
16:44 < korrosa> If you just want to make a general comment, the best place is here!
16:44 < |realn|> yes, some comments, please
16:44 < |realn|> can i start ?
16:45 < tryagain> everything is logged, start please :)
16:46 < |realn|> 1) installed on Android on Samsung Galaxy
16:46 < |realn|> 2) the only usable GPS offline navigation apart iGo
16:46 < |realn|> 3) problems that makes it half-usable
16:47 < |realn|> 3.1.) no support for Romanian characters - so I cannot find a place which contains special characters. If I use the down hard button, the list doesn't scroll
16:47 < Mineque> |realn|: to get access to trac you have to registed at wiki
16:47 < pini> back
16:49 < |realn|> 3.2.) General "address search" from the button menu always return "no results found"
16:49 < |realn|> 3.3.) previous search settings are not saved - I have to re-enter every time the country, town
16:50 < |realn|> 3.4.) I cannot make it talk (following installation of espeak and modification of .xml config file)
16:51 < tryagain> |realn| 3.1. - if you can code then you can probably add its support and post a patch. If don't then create the ticket and somebody will add it for you. I've had success with adding Russian and probably will be able to help you. Please be sure tu include list of characters you need to have and suggest their placement on virtual keyboard.
16:51 < |realn|> for me 3.1. and 3.2 are almost showstoppers
16:51 < |realn|> ok
16:51 < |realn|> thank you
16:52 < |realn|> and about the scrolling down ?
16:52 < |realn|> is it a known issue ?
16:52 < korrosa> 3.1. - You can get Romanian characters.
16:52 < |realn|> |korosa| - yes, please. how ?
16:52 < korrosa> Click on the "123" button on the on-screen keyboard, and you will get a list of further alphabets...
16:53 < |realn|> I got them
16:53 < korrosa> (It is hidden!)
16:53 < |realn|> they are not romanian
16:53 < |realn|> aa, sorry
16:54 < |realn|> let me try
16:54 < |realn|> nope
16:54 < |realn|> for instance
16:54 < tryagain> Search is case-sensitive for Cyrillic. At least on WinCE.
16:55 < |realn|> i cannot find the "ă"
16:55 < |realn|> it's not cyrillic, it's Romanian
16:55 < |realn|> the closest language to Latin
16:57 < |realn|> what about the "address search" function ?
16:57 < |realn|> the one that it's supposed to wrk with partial match, too ?
16:58 < korrosa> So I guess the list under the "aou" with umlauts isn't good enough then, cos there's no "ă" ?
16:58 < |realn|> correct - no "ă"
16:59 < korrosa> OK, that deserves a ticket.
16:59 < |realn|> althgough they are displayed OK in the list
16:59 < |realn|> the problem is that if I don't get the town on the first page, then there is no way whatsoever to get it, cause , as I said, the list doesn't scroll
17:00 < tryagain> |realn| Please don't forget to suggest the letters needed and their placement.
17:00 < |realn|> and there is also another character, a "t" with kinda sedilla(comma) under it, which is not even displayed correctly in the list
17:00 < |realn|> is dispayed as a small square
17:00 < tryagain> Scrolling the list seems to be not so easy but include it in ticket too.
17:00 < |realn|> like this - "ț"
17:01 < korrosa> I think you should create the ticket, as I have no idea about Romanian alphabets!!
17:01 < |realn|> ok
17:01 < |realn|> i got it
17:01 < korrosa> And there is already a ticket about making the list scrollable.
17:01 < |realn|> what about 3.2. ?
17:01 < korrosa> Now, point 3.2) This is a known problem. Instead of trying to explain what might be happening, have a quick scan of http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap#Problems_with_OSM_and_navit_or_navigation_in_general and let me know if it's relevant.
17:01 < |realn|> ok
17:01 < |realn|> thank again
17:02 < |realn|> ok
17:03 < |realn|> i'll try to see what a "is_in" tag is and how it's used
17:04 < korrosa> As for 3.4) What version of Navit are you using? Where has it come from? Number6 (in this channel) uses winCE, so may be better able to help...
17:05 < tryagain> 3.4. - AFAIK Android has some internal speaking engine. I'm unsure if it useable under Navit.
17:05 < korrosa> And 3.3) That would be a nice feature - I think there's a ticket for that one on trac, or something similar...
17:05 < korrosa> Oh, damn, he's using Android.
17:05 < |realn|> let me check
17:05 < |realn|> yes, android
17:06 < korrosa> Sorry, I misread one of tryagains posts as one of yours! OK, Android. Did you get it from the market?
17:06 < |realn|> yes
17:06 < tryagain> yes, we have separate module speech_android. So you need navit-android guru.
17:07 < |realn|> navit - version 0.5.0-4281
17:07 < tryagain> I have no android device handy. Probably somebody else will answer you.
17:07 < |realn|> what is the " speech_android"
17:07 < |realn|> module
17:10 < |realn|> OK
17:10 < |realn|> success
17:11 < korrosa> Good!
17:11 < |realn|> ok, thank you
17:11 < |realn|> i will open a ticket for ROmanian special characters
17:11 < tryagain> woked for you?
17:11 < |realn|> and thank you all for the software
17:12 < |realn|> no, I meant for 3.2.) if I enter a substring of the country BLANK substring of town BLANK substring of street
17:12 < |realn|> IT WORKS
17:13 < |realn|> speech is not that important
17:13 < |realn|> I'll try to make it work
17:13 < tryagain> we recently had changes with specch type="cmdline" which you probably use with espeak
17:14 < |realn|> yes, that's what i tried
17:14 < |realn|> and it didn't work
17:14 < tryagain> Documentation on the subject has changed today. You should not use any & or | chars in data=""
17:15 < korrosa> (Blame tryagain for that one... ;) )
17:15 < Number6> I use WinCE and WinMobile, for my sins (that and most GPS are WinCE based)
17:15 < tryagain> ;)
17:15 < korrosa> Laters!
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17:16 < tryagain> .. And if your espeak path contains spaces then it will not work.
17:17 < |realn|> i don't think it is the case
17:17 < |realn|> spaces in linux paths are not that common
17:17 < |realn|> ;-)
17:17 < tryagain> android is slightly different ;)
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17:18 < |realn|> i'll check , anyway
17:19 < tryagain> first thing to try is to use
17:19 < |realn|> and do I need something extra for this ?
17:20 < |realn|> for instance, for "espeak" I had to install "espeak for android" from the market
17:20 < tryagain> Don't know. Code at first sight seems not to use any other options.
17:20 < |realn|> ok
17:21 < |realn|> thank you all
17:21 < |realn|> I'll come back, anyway
17:21 < tryagain> you probably shouldn't use type="espeak" - it's only for winCE
17:21 < tryagain> read channel logs at http://irclogs.navit.ie/ when you're back
17:22 < |realn|> ok, that's good to know
17:22 < |realn|> ok
17:22 < |realn|> i;ll have to get used to irc, too, it;s been sooo long since I haven;t used it
17:23 < tryagain> Number6 don't you going to publish somewhere link to the channel log?
17:23 < tryagain> we still have old one to henges
17:24 < tryagain> hentges
17:25 < tryagain> See you!
17:26 < |realn|> U2
17:26 < |realn|> bye
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17:27 < NavitLogger> tryagain: I don't have access to the topic. For now, use irclogs.navit.ie :-)
17:27 < Number6> Ahh! The bot has developed sentience
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18:16 < Mineque> KaZeR: navit.pastebin.com also doesnt work
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19:10 < firespeaker> what's the easiest way to have some other program feed POIs to navit? a plugin? (do they have to be written in C?)
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19:59 < Mineque> firespeaker: easiest will be converte source poi file to navit format
20:00 < firespeaker> I need dynamic POIs
20:00 < Mineque> so some kind of plugin
20:00 < Mineque> they might be also C
20:00 < Mineque> C++ ;)
20:01 < firespeaker> is there currently anything like that that could be modified?
20:01 < Mineque> you might also write some python perl bash script that will replace bookmars file
20:01 < Mineque> firespeaker: i'm not sure
20:02 < firespeaker> Mineque: oh, is that dynamically reloaded?
20:02 < Mineque> hmm
20:02 < Mineque> good point
20:02 < Mineque> i dont know
20:02 < Mineque> never checked that
20:03 < Mineque> do you know C?
20:03 < Mineque> if yes you could look at bookmarks code and odometer code
20:04 < Mineque> odometer save file in defined perior of time
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20:37 < Number6> Are bookmarks broken for anyone else on Wince?
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20:46 < firespeaker> Mineque: I *knew* C... haven't worked with it in a decade or more though
20:46 < Mineque> i guess clean C shouldnt change much ;)
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21:07 < CIA-84> martin-s * r4498 /trunk/navit/navit/track.c: Add:Core:Initial support for position extrapolation in tunnels
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22:14 < rd> pini, do you maintain the Debian package?
22:15 < pini> rd: sure
22:15 < rd> I am just wondering, woglinde mentioned that the debian packages have a lot of stuff removed (i.e. wince support etc.).
22:16 < rd> I downloaded source from sid and did not see these patches.
22:16 < rd> In the maemo package, I saw such patches thoug.
22:16 < pini> rd: this is tricky
22:17 < rd> good that I asked ;-)
22:17 < Number6> tryagain: ping
22:17 < pini> in short : the "stuff" is removed in the source tarball
22:17 < rd> I started to build a navit package for the n900 (I did not find working source packages)
22:17 < pini> the patches are related to the build systems
22:18 < rd> Hmm....how do you remove the stuff from the source tarball?
22:18 < pini> what you've seen in the maemo package are the patches against the autotools build system
22:19 < pini> in sid, I switched to cmake, which require almost no patch to the build system to cope with these parts removal
22:19 < rd> Do you think it is worth to sync the two packages somewhat or should I just stick with what I have?
22:19 < pini> I don't maintain the maemo packaging, but I guess it's older than the one in sid
22:20 < pini> The cmake switch is quite recent
22:20 < pini> rd: the removal is done via git
22:21 < pini> I have these branches:
22:21 < pini> * upstream-svn (full navit source)
22:21 < pini> * upstream (source with removal done)
22:22 < rd> ah, I see.
22:22 < pini> see: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/navit.git;a=summary
22:22 < rd> That means the orig.tar.gz is not the original upstream source.
22:22 < pini> the removal is described in debian/README.source
22:22 < pini> rd: exactly
22:23 < pini> rd: that's what the dfsg part of the version is for
22:23 < rd> Hmm....why did you do the removal with a "private patch" in git, not with a patch supplied with the sources?
22:24 < pini> ???
22:24 < rd> are you saying that the stuff you removed, you removed because it is non-free ?
22:24 < pini> that's not a "private patch". That's just a removal
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22:25 < rd> Yes, but for anybody except you it is difficult to build a package for another svn version, right?
22:25 < pini> there are many embedded libs that we already have in debian
22:25 < pini> rd, sure, I understand your concern
22:26 < pini> I'll think about a way to ease this use case
22:27 < rd> Maybe another solution would be to provide the patch file, but not apply it (in the series file) and document it in README.Debian
22:27 < pini> rd: would you mind filling a bug against navit on the debian bts?
22:27 < rd> I am happy to do so.
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22:28 < pini> a patch file would be to heavy to maintain. I'd prefer an eraser script.
22:28 < rd> Since I am running squeeze, I will not use reportbug, because the version in squeeze does probalby not yet use cmake. I check if there is a webinterface to report bugs.
22:29 < pini> rd: there is no web interface to fill a bug report in debian
22:29 < rd> Hmm....couldn't you do a git diff between the upsteam-svn and the upstream branch?
22:30 < pini> I'd have to do that for each release.
22:30 < rd> ok, then I have to run reportbug from squeeze and mention it in the text, that the bug report does not affect squeeze.
22:30 < rd> Does that work?
22:30 < pini> While the script is as simple as "rm -fr support and win32 directories"
22:31 < pini> + android stuff
22:31 < pini> yes, np for a reportbug from squeeze
22:31 < rd> ok, I agree, that might make more sense, in particular since it can be included in the rules file.
22:33 < pini> rd: have you tried to build from source without removing anything. I might work.
22:33 < pini> s/I/it/
22:33 < pini> the removed stuff isn't used in the build after all
22:34 < rd> yes, that works.
22:34 < pini> it shouldn't hurt whether it is there or not
22:34 < rd> why do you remove it?
22:34 < pini> rd: so there's no bug :)
22:35 < pini> I didn't want to go through the hassle of digging every bits of licensing for each embedded library
22:37 < pini> maintaining a debian/copyright file is a huge task for a software like navit
22:37 < rd> Hmm...so you say its not that you have a second version of the library on the system or in memory during runtime (which would be worse on the n900)
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22:38 < pini> rd: it's about the source package. not the binaries.
22:39 < rd> ok, I did not look that much in detail, what happens during the build.
22:40 < rd> Now the question is left: should I try to move the maemo5 build to cmake as well? maemo5 has an older debhelper system
22:40 < rd> I am wondering if we would duplicate work, if we maintain an entirely independent debian dir fro maemo5
22:41 < pini> rd: are you the maintainer for the maemo package?
22:41 < rd> I think as of today there is no formal maintainer, just a bunch of private repos.
22:41 < pini> it depends on whether you want to use the debian package as upstream
22:42 < rd> I think the packages in these private repos have not good source packages, at least it is not possible to build from them.
22:42 < pini> how large are the diffs between the two source packages (build system put aside)?
22:43 < rd> I am more thinking if navit changes over time, then stuff might have to be adapted in the Debian version and the maemo version
22:43 < pini> navit *will* change over time
22:44 < rd> otherwise I can just review what you changed, grab it instead of reimplementing it.
22:44 < pini> I'd do that
22:44 < rd> Not sure, if there will be situations where I am faster in fixing than you.
22:45 < rd> Is there stuff in the new debian subdir, which depends on new debhelpers?
22:45 < pini> not sure either. but in case you're faster, please contribute a patch through the debian bts :)
22:45 < rd> Probably mainly the rules file.
22:45 < pini> so that I can reuse your work
22:45 < rd> I am happy to do that.
22:46 < rd> Ok, I will give it a try later this week and let you know what came out.
22:46 < pini> you could even co-maintain the debian package if you're interested in that
23:13 < rd> thank you for the offer. But let us check how feasible it is to bring the maemo and the debian package together, given the old debhelpers in maemo.
23:14 < rd> and I think pkg-n900 has a long way to go, unfortunately.
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23:25 < Mineque> gn guys
23:26 < Number6> Tingle
23:26 < CIA-84> geoghegan * r4499 /trunk/navit/navit/file.c: Revert:Core:Reverts file.c back to it's last working revision, Rev 4435. This is due to "Bookmarks" no longer displaying on the WinCE port, as the files and data folder can no longer be found
23:26 < Number6> Yet again, the WinCE port was borked
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23:40 < tryagain_> Number6 pong
23:48 < tryagain_> falling asleep...
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