--- Log opened Sat May 28 00:00:09 2011 00:23 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:40 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has joined #navit 03:03 -!- noradtux [~quassel@g231132074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:03 -!- noradtux [~quassel@f054018210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:29 -!- cp15` [fkwmbz@p57B1D24E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:29 -!- cp15 [rbrclm@p57B1C8B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:29 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:30 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 04:15 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-092-074-004-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:16 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-104-172-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 04:22 -!- sera [~sera@96.75.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:25 -!- sera [~sera@82-146.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 05:17 -!- takuan [~takuan@178-118-210-103.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 07:19 < Mineque> hi 07:31 -!- takuan [~takuan@178-118-210-103.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:23 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 10:31 -!- rd [~rd@p57B482C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 10:49 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host218-151-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #navit 11:17 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 11:52 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 11:52 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 11:53 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 11:53 -!- antenna11 [~ion@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 11:56 -!- bedlore [~bedlore@123.200.171.106] has joined #navit 11:56 < bedlore> Hi all :) 11:57 < bedlore> I have a 10" netbook running debian, what is the better OSD setup? 11:58 < bedlore> I saw 10.2" which looks good, having trouble getting it working though, my navit.xml has problems 11:58 < bedlore> anyone able to help? 12:28 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052224088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 12:35 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.251.19] has joined #navit 12:35 < korrosa> bedlore: I'm running Ubuntu on an acer netbook - I can try and help 12:36 < woglinde> hi korrosa 12:36 < korrosa> hi woglinde1 12:36 < korrosa> 1=! 12:36 < woglinde> korrosa can you please go through bug list and maybee close some 12:36 < woglinde> korrosa you did you have an ce device? 12:37 < korrosa> Sure, I'll have a look over the weekend. I've not been keeping up with tickets recently though cos CIA isn't working...! 12:37 < korrosa> woglinde: No, only linux. 12:38 < woglinde> hm I think saw some where you asked 6 month or more if it is still a problem 12:38 < woglinde> I think you can close them 12:40 < korrosa> Good idea. Won't be now, but when I get some free time... 12:43 < bedlore> korrosa, I'm trying to get http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts#10.2.22_netbook_layout to work 12:43 < bedlore> navit works fine with default xml 12:44 < bedlore> I don't know how to intergrate the xml shown 12:44 < bedlore> where does I insert it specifically 12:45 < korrosa> bedlore: First, you need to make sure that any tags which start with " thanks, I did that actually 12:48 < korrosa> Second: You copy and paste the xml from that wiki page into your navit.xml, anywhere below the other " k, I'll start with a clean one again 12:48 < bedlore> one sec 12:49 < korrosa> Let me know when that's done, and we'll go onto step three! 12:50 < antenna1> hey guys 12:53 < antenna1> bedlore: I just removed everything not necessary from the layout ( speech, cursor and routing line) 12:53 < bedlore> korrosa, done, I altered the CHANGEME to my home dir username and previously copied the images 12:54 < antenna1> bedlore: did you download the two bars and put them into the .navit directory? 12:56 < bedlore> yes 12:56 < Mineque> hi guys 12:56 < Mineque> antenna1: did you solved blue stroke problem? 12:57 < korrosa> bedlore: It may help if you took a screenshot of Navit to show us? 12:57 < antenna1> Mineque: no, I just converted them to xpm, there is still some white transition, but it's only visible if you are close to the screen 12:57 < Mineque> ok 12:58 < antenna1> Mineque: that blue circumference only exists when you overlay a button 12:58 < Mineque> yep i know 12:58 < korrosa> Mineque, antenna1: I notice that same when keybindings first worked in Navit, and cp15 is aware of the issue. 12:58 < bedlore> korrosa, commenting out all that did allow it to start, but only with default GUI 12:58 < antenna1> bedlore: copy the updated xml to your navit.xml 12:59 < Mineque> damm when i'll find some time to test new features :/ 12:59 < korrosa> So what bit isn't working: the GUI or the OSD? 12:59 < bedlore> antenna1, its in ~/.navit/ and is loading because it errors if I leave things in 13:00 < bedlore> the OSD I guess 13:00 < korrosa> screenshot? 13:00 < bedlore> I can do I guess, its just a default looking install currently 13:02 < korrosa> What errors are shown if you start navit from terminal? Also, don't use the "~/" shortcut for your home folder for now; use only absolute paths. The shortcuts don't always play nice... 13:02 < korrosa> antenna1: I like your new layout - really cool! 13:03 < antenna1> korrosa: thanks, I sure spent some time on it! 13:04 < korrosa> I bet! Do you find that travel time left actually provides anything realistic for you? 13:04 < bedlore> antenna1, which is your latest? 13:06 < korrosa> bedlore: the one above the one you're using...! 13:07 < antenna1> korrosa: depends on the situation. At rush hour it's useless, but all in all it's ok. Normally, a bit to short if you ask me 13:07 < bedlore> cool, I saw the 3D one which looked new as well 13:08 < bedlore> antenna1, the case sensitivity is wrong on your images 13:08 < korrosa> antenna1: It's always too short for me - doesn't matter if it's inner city driving, or motorway driving. It once gave me a time which would have meant I'd have to be driving over 200km/h!! 13:09 < korrosa> bedlore: The wiki does that, unfortunately - it makes the first letter a capital when you upload the image... 13:09 < korrosa> I can see it's done it on all mine too. 13:09 < bedlore> just make the xml references the same I guess 13:10 < antenna1> korrosa: maybe navit should calculate with the average speed from the odometer 13:10 < korrosa> antenna1: I think I may have suggested that in a ticket somewhere! 13:11 < korrosa> bedlore: Good thinking - I'd not really thought about it until you pointed it out! 13:11 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-178-003-226-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 13:11 < antenna1> the only problem is that once you loose signal, it jumps wildly and gives you an average of 200 km/h 13:12 < antenna1> like in one of the screenshots 13:13 < bedlore> yay! working now :) 13:13 < bedlore> so what was all those parts I had to comment out to get it to work? 13:13 < bedlore> what am I missing out on 13:14 < antenna1> bedlore: did you take the updated xml? 13:15 < bedlore> no, when did you update it? 13:15 < bedlore> I took a copy a few hours back 13:15 < korrosa> bedlore: No idea - just some voodoo magic! Like when you blow into some electronics and it works...! 13:15 < antenna1> I changed the fullscreen key binding from f to dot, because 'f' as a keybinding makes typing in a city impossible 13:16 < antenna1> also I removed some parts that could interfere with the old xml parts 13:16 < antenna1> cursor, routing line, speech 13:17 < antenna1> those will be available separately 13:18 < bedlore> I'll try the new version 13:19 < bedlore> 2d buttons are not referenced in the xml at all? 13:19 < bedlore> in fact only the bars are referenced, is that correct? 13:23 < antenna1> bedlore: yes. that is correct. I added them later to the glossy one, they're just optional for this layout 13:24 < antenna1> bedlore: you can orientate yourself by the glossy xml 13:26 < bedlore> ok thanks, it looks tempting 13:30 < bedlore> antenna1, which of your netbook ones is your personal favorite? 13:32 < antenna1> my latest of course ;) 13:32 < bedlore> :) 13:32 < antenna1> the bars are from minique, they're not mine 13:32 < bedlore> the wiki does'n't date them 13:35 < bedlore> know to get mbrola working :) 13:35 < bedlore> oh, can I have your beep.wav file too please 13:37 < bedlore> antenna1, your earlier speech line ends with a & 13:37 < bedlore> was that a typo, navit is not happy with it 13:37 < antenna1> bedlore: I don't use a beep anymore, I just a plopp 13:38 < bedlore> plopp? 13:38 < antenna1> bedlore: I removed that line anyway, please reload that page 13:38 < antenna1> give me your email 13:38 < antenna1> or wait 13:39 < bedlore> I knew you removed that line, I'm just trying to put it back in, I hadn't used mbrola before and was keen to hear it 13:39 < antenna1> http://ubuntuone.com/p/w5C/ 13:40 < antenna1> bedlore: I'll open a speech entry for mbrola now 13:42 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.145.251.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42 < bedlore> thanks :) 13:49 < antenna1> are normal wiki users actually able to add an entry? 13:49 < Mineque> should be 13:53 -!- mase76 [~mase76@p5DD3ABE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #navit 13:59 < antenna1> Mineque: I have no idea how to add one then 14:00 < antenna1> bedlore: you got the wav? 14:07 < Mineque> antenna1: you want create new page? 14:07 < antenna1> Mineque: yes 14:07 < Mineque> what name? 14:07 < Mineque> of page 14:08 < antenna1> speech output with espeak and mbrola 14:09 < Mineque> antenna1: why not new section in configuration page? 14:09 < Mineque> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Speech_output_with_espeak_and_mbrola 14:09 < Mineque> last link is create that page ;) 14:11 < Mineque> antenna1: works? 14:14 < bedlore> antenna1, yes I got the wav thanks 14:15 < antenna1> Mineque: yup, thanks! 14:19 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has joined #navit 14:22 < Mineque> np 14:22 < Mineque> antenna1: just write in the address bar page name after index.php/ 14:22 < Mineque> ;) 14:55 -!- mase76 [~mase76@p5DD3ABE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:57 < antenna1> bedlore: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Speech_output_with_espeak_and_mbrola 14:58 < bedlore> thanks :) 14:59 < bedlore> wow, very thorough 15:00 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:04 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08 < Mineque> antenna1: very nice! 15:10 < antenna1> this needed to be done since a long time! 15:23 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 15:26 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 15:33 < bedlore> having trouble getting speech to work, it seems to work fine from command line 15:35 < bedlore> the output appears ok too 15:35 < bedlore> speech_cmdline:speechd_say:text 'Follow the road for the next 7 kilometres' 15:49 < bedlore> anyone have any tips on where/how to get a map for Australia where the search works 15:54 < antenna1> bedlore: does mbrola work generally for you? 15:54 < antenna1> try espeak -vmb-enX 'hello' 15:54 < bedlore> yes 15:55 < antenna1> http://maps5.navit-project.org/# 15:55 < bedlore> hmm actuallu 15:56 < bedlore> maybe I was only hearing espeak 15:56 < antenna1> is it missing the voice binary? 15:56 < bedlore> espeak -vmb-en1 'hello' 15:56 < bedlore> worked 15:56 < bedlore> needed the 1 15:56 < antenna1> yea, I didn't know which one you were using 15:57 < antenna1> so I set X 15:57 < bedlore> I can pass through the script fine also 15:57 < bedlore> I didn't compile manually 15:57 < antenna1> but it's above 1.44? 15:57 < bedlore> checking 15:58 < antenna1> otherwise you need to use the pipe, I had in the xml 15:58 < antenna1> the one you mentioned before 15:58 < bedlore> 3.01h-6 15:58 < antenna1> did you chmod u+x the script? 15:59 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59 < bedlore> 755'd 16:00 < antenna1> ok 16:00 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225004064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 16:00 < antenna1> 3.01h-6 isn't telling me anything 16:01 < antenna1> hey woglinde 16:01 < woglinde_> re 16:02 < bedlore> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mbrola 16:02 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052224088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06 -!- rd [~rd@p57B482C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:07 < bedlore> I'd better hit the sack 16:08 < bedlore> thanks for your support and great OSD antenna1 16:08 < bedlore> I'll visit another time and try and resolve the rest :) 16:09 < antenna1> bedlore: np, see ya. It's 5pm here :D 16:09 < bedlore> close to 1am here 16:09 < bedlore> btw, the top bar had no info 16:10 < antenna1> alright, good n8 16:10 < antenna1> what info? 16:10 < bedlore> isn't it meant ot have altitude / time 16:10 < antenna1> oh, yea, I didn't update the xml 16:10 < antenna1> will do now 16:11 < bedlore> cool, I'll grab a fresh copy tomorrow, g'night 16:12 -!- bedlore [~bedlore@123.200.171.106] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:14 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@231.109.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 16:16 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-178-003-226-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15 -!- takuan [~takuan@178-118-54-60.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 17:35 < playya__> navit on the n900 has a poor config :/ 17:53 -!- kenguest [~radagast@lir.talideon.com] has joined #navit 17:54 < kenguest> how mature is navit on tomtom devices? 18:41 < woglinde_> playya__ aks rd for a better package 18:41 < woglinde_> kenguest routing is slow 18:41 < playya__> maybe i'll write my own 18:42 < playya__> and /usr/share/navit is missing 18:42 < woglinde_> sure 18:42 < woglinde_> because its in /opt 18:42 < woglinde_> and its old 18:42 < woglinde_> and didnt touched for over 1.5 years 18:43 < playya__> ah. ok 18:43 < playya__> maybe I'll use yout debian dir to create a current version 18:44 < woglinde_> hm no 18:44 < woglinde_> better ask for rd version 18:44 < woglinde_> or start with pini's actual package 18:45 < woglinde_> and beware rsvg-convert segfaults 18:45 < woglinde_> convert is slow 18:45 < woglinde_> on scratchbox 18:45 < playya__> hehe. yes 18:45 < woglinde_> the first problem resulted in 0 bytes .png 18:45 < woglinde_> on the build server 18:45 < playya__> anyone tested navit for bike tours? 18:45 < playya__> ouch 19:21 -!- Fragle [Fragle@178.11.55.12] has joined #navit 19:31 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host218-151-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:43 < kenguest> woglinde_: got summonsed away - is there any specific platform that navit is better on, for in-car use? 19:43 < kenguest> probably should just ask Number6 but... he's focused on wince I think? 19:45 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 19:45 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225004064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has joined #navit 20:18 < kenguest> so what's one of the better platforms for runnig navit on? Bear in mind I'm on a budget :) 20:19 < Mineque> linux ;p 20:19 < Mineque> normal linux ;) 20:19 < Mineque> winCe 20:19 < Mineque> android 20:20 < woglinde> android port is better than ce 20:21 < kenguest> ok... I think Number6 was saying that navit doesn't create track/gpx files yet. Is that still true? 20:22 < kenguest> I do use whereami on my nokia 9310i for that - but it doesn't do navigation 20:23 < kenguest> and continously explaining that gps != sat nav is starting to wear me down! 20:26 < woglinde> kenguest hm? on linux it works 20:28 < kenguest> woglinde: ok, so maybe nick just meant gpx creation on the wince port 20:28 < kenguest> which is odd, but... 20:29 < woglinde> yes 20:31 -!- ronald2 [~ronald@dslb-084-058-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 20:31 < kenguest> heh, I did suggest he start a port to symbian S80 but he just glared at me :) 20:31 < ronald2> Hello 20:32 < Mineque> kenguest: i wish i had navit at E90 20:32 < Mineque> but making software for old dead 3phones platform isnt great idea 20:32 < Mineque> (S80) 20:32 < Mineque> n9300i is great 20:33 < Mineque> but doesnt worth needed time 20:33 < Mineque> if even possible 20:33 < Mineque> hi ronald2 20:33 < ronald2> I have a question about navit on TomTom 20:35 < Mineque> best is to ask question 20:35 < Mineque> ;) 20:36 < ronald2> When I ran navit (precompiled build 4300) and I have a valid GPS-Status, then will the software killed by watchdog after 2 or 3 minutes 20:36 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36 < ronald2> it's normal? 20:36 < Mineque> killed software never is normal 20:37 < Mineque> ronald2: do you have any degub output? 20:37 < Mineque> please make ticket at trac.navit-project.org (first create account at wiki then openid login) 20:37 < ronald2> No, I have the normal Log and I have an second log, that shows the system-load (via uptime). 20:40 < Mineque> anyway please make a ticket 20:40 < Mineque> better to leave ticket when nobody can help right now 20:41 < ronald2> ok 20:41 -!- Fragle [Fragle@178.11.55.12] has quit [] 20:50 < woglinde> ronald2 only xenos has a tomtom 20:57 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@231.109.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 < ronald2> ticket opened 21:03 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225072179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 21:04 < ronald2> woglinde: i know, but it seems to me that he is busy ... 21:06 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052064072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26 < kenguest> Mineque: I know - sometimes you have to work with what you have though 21:34 < Mineque> kenguest: i know ;) ihave two nokia so only choice is nokia maps for now 21:46 -!- ronald2 [~ronald@dslb-084-058-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 22:10 < Number6> kenguest: *I* never got tracks to work, but I wasn't trying hard enough to want it 22:11 < Mineque> Number6: you just doesnt wont to have any source for police where you have been ;p 22:11 < Mineque> *want 22:12 < Number6> They'll never find where I buried the bodies 22:13 < Mineque> yeah! they won't find thoose chickens! 22:13 < Mineque> :D 22:14 < woglinde_> number6 ping 22:15 < Number6> woglinde_: pong 22:16 < woglinde_> number6 can you please update and test these patches? 22:16 < woglinde_> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/554 22:17 < woglinde_> only the mbitter 22:17 < woglinde_> at the end 22:18 < Number6> All the patches are mbitter! 22:18 < woglinde_> only these btw. comment 5 and 6 22:21 < Number6> Ok, I'll take a look, but my cross compiler is still broken 22:21 < woglinde_> what? 22:21 < woglinde_> I thought you fixed it 22:22 < Number6> So did I, but it wasn't linking correctly 22:23 < woglinde_> ? 22:24 < Number6> The linker doesn't work correctly 22:40 -!- Vilkku [~Vilkku@86-60-144-203-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #navit 22:41 < Vilkku> hello, I installed navit just now but there seems to be something wrong, on the main screen I see the green circle on a gray background and there are boxes with nothing in them in the corners, apart from one which has an arrow in it (that one takes me to the menu) 22:41 < Vilkku> I downloaded my first map (finland) 22:42 < woglinde_> android? 22:43 < kenguest> Number6: gnupoc seems morbidly interesting 22:43 < woglinde_> hm okay 22:43 < woglinde_> time to go to bed 22:43 < woglinde_> good nite 22:43 < Number6> night, woglinde_. I'll try the patches 22:43 < woglinde_> thanks 22:43 < Vilkku> woglinde_, yes, sorry 22:44 < woglinde_> I should have seen them earlier 22:44 < Number6> kenguest: lots of things are interesting. Like eating jelly while upside down 22:44 < woglinde_> instead of fighting fullscreen and sip button myself 22:44 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225072179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 22:44 < Number6> Vilkku: Are you sure that there is OSM data for your area? 22:46 < kenguest> Number6: all sorted for dubland? 22:46 < Vilkku> Number6, no I'm not, but I downloaded a map called "Finland", which is where I live 22:46 < Vilkku> also, there seems to be UI elements missing, not just a blank map 22:46 < Vilkku> phone is nexus s running 2.3.4 I think 22:47 < Vilkku> yes 2.3.4 22:48 < Vilkku> also, not sure if that's just the way it works, but I downloaded my first map and I still have the "download first map" option in the menu 22:49 < Number6> Hmm, that's odd Vilkku. I don't have an Android device myself, I'm afraid. I work on the Windows port 22:50 < Number6> I'm sure someone here has Android, and can help 22:50 < Number6> kenguest: Yeah. I've done 4 runs so far, in my tiny car. Mother has me on her eFlow account (only found that out today), so no tolls 22:51 < Vilkku> well, I got to go now... I'll come back here tomorrow when I got more time 22:51 < Vilkku> I'll try to provide some screenshots as well 22:51 < Vilkku> and I'll try to reinstall first :) 22:51 < Number6> Vilkku: Please do, we're always here to help 22:51 < Mineque> most of the time 22:51 < Mineque> not always ;) 22:51 < Number6> :-) 22:52 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-105-225-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:53 < kenguest> Number6: recommend a good/cheap wince device for navit? Making a start of porting over to symbian seems to me a way of divesting myself of all remaining sanity. 22:54 < Number6> kenguest: www.dealextreme.com is where I got mine 22:55 -!- takuan [~takuan@178-118-54-60.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:55 -!- Vilkku [~Vilkku@86-60-144-203-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56 < kenguest> heh. spotted the local fly-by-night garage have a google map of their location on the back of their business cards. even then the alleyway where they are based isn't on that map. Gonna have to educate them :> 22:59 < Mineque> kenguest: you dont have symbian s603rd ed phone? 23:01 < kenguest> Mineque: series 80 - it's a 9310i 23:01 < kenguest> had a quick go of instaling a s60 app and it borked on me 23:02 < kenguest> think I've always installed the s80 versions of whereami - now that I think of it 23:56 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Sun May 29 00:00:09 2011