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04:29 < Mineque> hi
05:34 < CIA-84> martin-s * r4505 /trunk/navit/navit/osd/core/osd_core.c: Fix:osd_core:msvc compatibility
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06:46 <@Horwitz> morgen
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06:49 < Mineque> hi Horwitz
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11:12 < CIA-84> woglinde * r4506 /trunk/navit/navit/navigation.c: Fix:Core:free the navigation_itm struct in error case
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12:21 < tryagain> hi I'm unable to search house numbers in Belgorod, RU with yesterday map from map-extractor and svn #4499 Navit. I'm able to find streets but unable to find house numbers. Belgorod is covered with poligon, so this seems to be not related to is_in tag problem. Also I see no housenumber attributes when I click on building.  Sample of such building: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/102680614 Actually I had no luck trying to find 
12:21 < woglinde> tryagain yes housenumbersearch is probolematic
12:21 < woglinde> fix it
12:21 < tryagain> :)
12:22 < woglinde> ;)
12:26 < Number6> Guys, my internet access will be sporadic over the next few weeks
12:28 < woglinde> damn
12:29 < kenguest> Number6: so larting you over TCP/IP won't work as well? Damnation.
12:29 < tryagain> Do we have housenubers iported to the map as item attributes?
12:29 < tryagain> imported
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12:32 < Number6> kenguest: Unless Eircom can get their thumb out their arse
12:32 < Number6> Wanna buy zoidberg off me? :-)
12:33 < kenguest> name your price and I'll think it over. what size display and chipset?
12:34 < kenguest> better yet - if the listing for it is still online just send me the link
12:35 < Number6> Zoidberg is a server. 8GB Ram, 2*dual core, 2x 1TB HDD
12:35 < Number6> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/
12:36 < kenguest> oh. I thought you meant your navit device.
12:37 < Number6> Nein
12:39 < woglinde> lol
12:39 < Mineque> Number6: nice dev. for navit :D
12:40 < drlizau> should be fast enough to update quickly
12:40 < drlizau> faster than an original eeepc trying to use bluetooth to the gps
12:40 < Mineque> lol
12:40 < Number6> Mineque: That's what it's been used for. I can do a full planet computation in about 4 hours
12:41 < Mineque> Number6: i meant *device
12:41 < Mineque> fast route computing :D
12:41 < Number6> :-)
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13:12 < shuvo> anyone?
13:12 < woglinde> what?
13:12 < Mineque> depends?
13:13 < shuvo> wince version don't do voice navigation. i edited navit.xml <speech type="espeak" cps="15"/>  but still...
13:15 < woglinde> number6 has wince device
13:16 < woglinde> and might know the config to use
13:16 < shuvo> number6...
13:17 < woglinde> do you use the svn version?
13:17 < shuvo> no
13:20 < woglinde> try the svn version
13:20 < shuvo> ok
13:22 < Number6> http://nickgeoghegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/navit.xml  <-- That's my Navit.xml for WinCE
13:24 < woglinde> no speech?
13:24 < Number6> Yes, there's speech.
13:25 < woglinde> hm ah browser problem
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15:43 < tryagain> Can anybody give me an example where housenumber search is working? I feel it's completely broken. But i'm afrad that if I fix it for me I will break it for everybody else :)
15:43 < woglinde> on android
15:44 < woglinde> it works
15:44 < woglinde> via the android search mechanism I heard
15:44 < woglinde> but it is a long since todo from cp15
15:44 < tryagain> can anybody give me android device to test? :)
15:44 < woglinde> use the emulator
15:45 < tryagain> Android devices use the map prepared by the same maptool? I feel that there's a problem with maptool itself.
15:46 < tryagain> maptool code is such a pain....
15:46 < woglinde> hm
15:46 < woglinde> maptool should be okay
15:46 < woglinde> only the search in navit
15:46 < woglinde> yes maps are all the smae
15:49 < tryagain> does map extractor use the maptool close to svn one? Does it use external attrmap or the hardcoded one?
15:51 < tryagain> map extractor=planet extractor
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16:15 < Gitch> so is the problem with house number search something in common with me being unable to search for some australian town names?
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16:17 < woglinde> its using the svn version
16:33 < tryagain> In the current svn maptool's builtin attrmap (maptool/osm.c) addr:housenumber attribute is stated to belong only to nodes. So binary map seems to have no info on ways (polygons) housenumbers. But where I live (and in Munich too) there's no buildings drawn as nodes, every building is polygon. As I conclude maptool gives binary map without housenumber info.
16:35 < tryagain> will read logs later... See you...
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16:35 < woglinde> gitch yes
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16:59 < woglinde> hi antenna1
17:00 < antenna1> hey woglinde
17:00 < Mineque> woglinde: i guess he didnt read that ;)
17:00 < Mineque> hi antenna1
17:01 < antenna1> hi Mineque
17:04 < woglinde> hm oh right
17:08 < Mineque> 2minutes users are great
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18:40 < playya__> who's rd in here?
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19:21 < Pyrr> hi
19:21 < woglinde> hi
19:22 < Pyrr> I am trying to tun navit using the win32 version (svn), how do I see I actually get (valid?) data fro the GPS receiver?
19:22 < woglinde> hm you proably need to alter your navit.xml
19:22 < Pyrr> already done
19:22 < woglinde> to set the right device for the gps com
19:23 < woglinde> okay the go to internal gui
19:23 < woglinde> actions
19:23 < woglinde> hit the car
19:23 < woglinde> than show on map
19:23 < Pyrr> its COM3 (wiki says seria:lCOM:3 which i beleive seems odd)
19:23 < woglinde> wiki says its example
19:23 < Pyrr> serial:COM:3, sorry
19:23 < woglinde> you need to find out the com yourself
19:23 < Pyrr> I have, its com 3
19:23 < woglinde> or use a programm doing it
19:24 < Pyrr> even the baudrate and datalength are ok
19:24 < Pyrr> The car shows 0000 0000
19:24 < woglinde> hm I suggest try with some other program first if you get a gpslock
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19:25 < Pyrr> any suggestions (I am actually a Linux guy, this is my girlfriends notebook)
19:25 < Pyrr> If the receiver continuously sends its position i might try hyperterm
19:26 < Pyrr> but i doubt it will do so
19:27 < Pyrr> well ok, so is it "serial:COM:3" as in the Wiki, or rather "serial:COM3:"?
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19:32 < korrosa> Hey all!
19:33 < korrosa> Pyrr: It should be source="serial:COM3 .... "
19:33 < korrosa> That's if you're 100% sure it's COM3 which is the correct one...
19:33 < Pyrr> allright, thats what i have
19:33 < Pyrr> it is, i have set it so in the devicemanager
19:34 < woglinde> Pyrr install cygwin and run it with cygwin you can use the unix syntax ;)
19:34 < Pyrr> woglinde: my girlfriend rips my head off if she sees a bash ;)
19:34 < woglinde> no need
19:34 < woglinde> an icon does the same
19:34 < korrosa> sudo apt-get remove girlfriend
19:35 < woglinde> yes
19:35 < Pyrr> at least the ill have gpsd, too
19:35 < woglinde> my wife now uses linux too
19:35 < woglinde> okay she have to at work either
19:35 < woglinde> *g*
19:36 < Pyrr> how does navit know the used serial protocoll anyway without using gpsd?
19:36 < Pyrr> The chipset here is a sirfstar III
19:37 < Pyrr> after powerup the receiver is in its native protocoll i think
19:37 < korrosa> Which should be NMEA, right?
19:37 < woglinde> nmea
19:37 < Pyrr> native is binary, but being in NMEA by default would make far more sense ;)
19:37 < korrosa> Navit will be fine with it - it worked for me on Windows anyway (a year ago, but I did use another program to check the COM port)
19:38 < korrosa> Ah, yes, sirf binary.
19:38 < woglinde> navit can read gpx nmea gpsd old and new protocol and gpsd-dbus
19:38 < Pyrr> ok, is there anything NMEA like i have to send to force some response?
19:41 < korrosa> Send to what? The gps device? You'll have to check Google for your device how to force it over...
19:42 < Pyrr> Connecting to it i see "sh*t" scroll by, literally ;)
19:42 < Pyrr> is NMEA human readable?
19:42 < woglinde> paste a line
19:42 < woglinde> hm depends
19:43 < Pyrr> <\0>?<\0>?<\0>?<\0>?<\0><\0><\0>??<\0><\0>??<\0><\0><\0>?<\0><\0><\0>???<\0><\0><\0>?<\0><\0><\0>?<\0><\0><\0><\0>???<\0><\0><\0><\0><\0>?<\0>??<\0><\0><\0>?<\0><\0>???<\0><\0><\0><\0><\0><\0>?????<\0><\0><\0><\0>
19:43 < Pyrr> sorry, ill paste hex
19:43 < korrosa> Lol, no, that's not NMEA!
19:43 < Pyrr> 00 E0 00 E0 00 E0 00 E0 00 00 00 E0 E0 00 00 E0 FE 00 00 00 E0 00 00 00 E0 E0 E0 00 00 00 E0 00 00 00 E0 00 00 00 00 E0 E0 E0 00 00 00 00 00 E0 00 E0 E0 00 00 00 E0 00 00 E0 E0 E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 E0 E0 E0 E0 E0 00 00 00 00
19:43 < korrosa> Nor is that!
19:43 < woglinde> hm this looks like wrong baudrate
19:43 < woglinde> yes no nmea
19:43 < Pyrr> i have tried some, everything looks the same
19:43 < woglinde> nmea starts mostly with G
19:44 < korrosa> This is NMEA: $GPGSV,2,1,07,23,67,076,42,20,41,091,41,32,15,087,36,13,65,189,14*7B
19:44 < korrosa> (And lines like that...)
19:44 < Pyrr> ok, so it _is_ human readable then
19:44 < korrosa> Yup.
19:44 < Pyrr> thx, ill try some connection parametres then
19:45 < Pyrr> but it _will_ be 8N1 at leat, wont it?
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19:46 < woglinde> 8N1 yes
19:46 < korrosa> Pyrr: Yes.
19:46 < korrosa> SNAP!
19:46 < woglinde> but you need to find out the baudrate
19:46 < woglinde> too
19:46 < woglinde> but stupid windowsprogramms mostly can do only 9600
19:46 < Pyrr> thats what im trying now
19:47 < Pyrr> i have hterm here, the standard baudrates can be done with it
19:47 < woglinde> so most gps devices have a fallback to 9600
19:47 < Pyrr> 9600 does not show readable stuff
19:48 < Pyrr> if it wasnt a USB device, right now i would scope this....
19:48 < Pyrr> no baudrate gives me readable stuff
19:48 < Pyrr> seems the device is in its proprietary mode (which will be binary)
19:50 < Pyrr> 9600 afer fresh plugin does not alter anything
19:51 < woglinde> sorry
19:51 < woglinde> try to get NMEA out of your chip
19:51 < woglinde> or try running gpsd somehow
19:51 < Pyrr> well thx guys... I already know thing work using gpsd
19:52 < Pyrr> Thats the price to pay for Windoze ;)
19:52 < woglinde> yes
19:52 < woglinde> and the virus scanner
19:53 < Pyrr> dont forget all those broken drivers
19:53 < Pyrr> especially on notebooks
19:53 < korrosa> Pyrr: Maybe try http://w5.nuinternet.com/s660100031/SirfTech.htm ?
19:54 < Pyrr> i will, thx
19:54 < Pyrr> oh, I already know that one, its broken for Win7
19:54 < Pyrr> but i have found an old version of gpsd for win
19:55 < woglinde> hm okay but you need to compile the gpsd modul yourself somehow
19:55 < woglinde> I am now remembering
19:56 < woglinde> per default is only nmea file activated for the build
19:56 < woglinde> on windows
19:56 < woglinde> but I bet she will run away with navit
19:56 < woglinde> and using google maps again
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20:04 < Pyrr> *laughs* I had a bluescreen closing the terminalprogram... then WiFi sucked somehow (retarting radvd a feew times "solved" it, there is no WiFi in Win7 without IPv6...)
20:04 < woglinde> nice
20:05 < Pyrr> I am beginning to think such a crappy Os is simply not woth it being supported by useful software, so I will go with Linux on an USB stick which will just serve this purpose
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20:07 < Pyrr> navit is running with SDL, so I dont even need X, thats great
20:08 < woglinde> hm?
20:09 < woglinde> navit as windows graphic
20:09 < woglinde> not need for sdl
20:09 < Pyrr> have seen thet in the XML
20:09 < Pyrr> but i will run navit on a USB stick in order to have a stable OS
20:10 < Pyrr> itll boot very fast if i dont even need X11
20:22 < Pyrr> thx, bye
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21:28 < karlahund> hey everybody
21:28 < karlahund> anybody here for a short question about embedding navit in a .net-application?
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21:31 < karlahund> well, i just ask, maybe somebody is going to respond :) i have been working for the last weeks on a car-pc-project (just software until i have money for HW...) and i was wondering wether it is possible to embedd navit in my cpp-project? is there something like a library for that? thanks :9
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21:34 < playya__> write a .net compositor :P
21:34 < Pyrr> Running MOD-Navigation ISO from mandrake in a VM things worked instantly - just to let you know
21:36 < karlahund> what is mod-navigation iso?
21:36 < Pyrr> ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mud-editionen/MUD-Navigation-Edition/
21:36 < Pyrr> MUD that is, actually
21:37 < karlahund> and writing a compositor sounds like a lot of more work than creating a navigation-software myself ;)
21:40 < karlahund> before using a virtual machine, i rather would use the stand-alone navit in a seperate window. or do you see any benefits in mandrake?
21:43 < karlahund> any other ideas?
21:43 < karlahund> e.g. another windows-navigation system i could try?
21:44 < woglinde> karlahund you could embedded navit into mono app yes
21:44 < woglinde> but that would run on linux too
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21:47 < karlahund> hmm... i've been working on that app for so many hours now... maybe i'll change to linux later but currently it would be pretty sad to start a new project from scratch
21:47 < karlahund> thanks woglinde
21:47 < karlahund> probably it is not as simple as i thought it could be
21:47 < woglinde> mono is .net for linux
21:51 < karlahund> yeah i know, but i think that there are going to be many problems transferring it to linux. for example: i use several api-calls for using webcams or a usb -stick to connect to the internet
21:54 < woglinde> okay
21:54 < karlahund> thanks
21:56 < tryagain> Is there anybody who can try Navit on Adroid? Does it have working address search including search by housenumber?
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22:01 < karlahund> thanks for your help. i will check the logs later for any further answer. cya
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22:50 < Mineque> gn guys
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23:04 < kenguest> nn
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23:13 < tryagain> Please look at http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/704 Housenumbers are displayed (that indeed was a surprise), search by housenumber should work if OSM has the data. Unfortunately search doesnt work for me for self-compiled maps at all, I think it's because i'm trying to work with very small piece of OSM data, not including something important for Navit.
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23:14 < tryagain> falling asleep
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23:26 < Number6> kenguest: Big man will get zoidberg
23:27 < kenguest> why are you selling it anyway?
23:28 < Number6> I told you, I'm moving to Duffies Circus
23:29 < Number6> And I don't want to pay for CoLo
23:29 < kenguest> ya clown :D
23:30 < Number6> Why am I a clown?!
23:31 < Number6> Apart from the Duffies Circus thing
23:31 < Number6> Because I'm their new start freak
23:33 < Number6> *star
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