--- Log opened Tue May 31 00:00:12 2011 00:25 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:41 -!- Amorphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has joined #navit 00:44 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DBE3.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03 -!- noradtux [~quassel@f054122047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:04 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@f054122233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:28 -!- cp15` [nvsdhp@p57B1C840.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:28 -!- cp15 [kojkqt@p57B1CBEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:28 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:29 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 04:11 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-104-172-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-092-074-001-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 07:04 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has joined #navit 08:07 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225005254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 08:40 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host202-145-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #navit 08:54 -!- takuan [~takuan@d51A5DC08.access.telenet.be] has joined #navit 10:36 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@host202-145-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:00 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225007192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 11:03 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225005254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 -!- z30 is now known as KaZeR_W 11:15 -!- goldfndr [~goldfndr@h-72-244-206-80.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #navit 11:16 -!- goldfndr^ [~goldfndr@h-72-244-206-80.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:41 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052229055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 12:44 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225007192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04 -!- bedlore [~bedlore@150.101.96.191] has joined #navit 13:05 < bedlore> anyone using antenna1's new design? 13:05 < woglinde> no 13:05 < woglinde> I am not 13:05 < bedlore> he seems to have not uploaded some of the icons 13:07 < bedlore> on a different note, any Aussie's here with tips on how to get search to work 13:08 < woglinde> *sigh* 13:08 < woglinde> again you have to fix the code 13:10 < bedlore> again? 13:10 < bedlore> where can I read about how to fix the code 13:11 < woglinde> read the c code 13:11 < woglinde> and fix it 13:11 < bedlore> ahuh, I'm not a programmer 13:12 < bedlore> how come navit programmers don't fix it? 13:13 < drlizau> i can't read c either 13:14 < drlizau> i can search but navigate fails on long distances and sends me on long detours 13:14 < bedlore> I've been using navit for a year or more now, seems odd to be broken for such a long time and not considered a high priority to fix 13:14 < woglinde> because the programm code isnt that easy to read 13:14 < bedlore> some searches work most don't 13:14 < drlizau> goodnight 13:15 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35 -!- samco [~samco@61.125.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:36 -!- bedlore [~bedlore@150.101.96.191] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:38 -!- samco [~samco@61.125.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #navit 14:30 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has left #navit [] 14:51 -!- sera [~sera@131-17.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 14:53 -!- sera_ [~sera@254-55.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:57 -!- Conveam [~Conveam@p548F8F3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 15:57 < Conveam> Hey Guys 15:57 < Conveam> anybody out there 15:58 < Conveam> ??? 16:01 < Mineque> just ask question 16:02 < Mineque> and maybe someone could answer 16:03 -!- marienz_ is now known as marienz 16:04 < Conveam> I wanted to install Navit on my TomTom 730 16:05 < Conveam> i didn't worked, after the restart a black screen 16:05 < Conveam> However i really wanted to try to install the OSM Maps 16:06 < Mineque> Conveam: uh 16:06 < Mineque> so you have problem 16:07 < Mineque> because here is online one tomtom user 16:07 < Mineque> xenos 16:08 < Mineque> you didnt get any error messagess? 16:08 < Conveam> No. I just touched the Navit-Banner and then it did the shutdown... 16:09 < Conveam> Maybe it's not compatible with the new TomTom-Firmware 16:09 < Mineque> have you been at wiki page about tomtom? 16:14 < Conveam> Oh yes, but it's really hard for me. I think these are instructions for the CMD, aren't they? However i tried to install it like all the plugins i installed on the TomOTm 16:19 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-094-217-204-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 16:24 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has joined #navit 16:24 < woglinde> hi antenna hi tryagain 16:25 < tryagain> hi woglinde 16:26 < antenna1> hey woglinde 16:37 < tryagain> Number6 hi 16:40 < tryagain> I feel that exporting a piece of data thru OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/export and feeding it to maptool gives the result different from getting the same area from the planet extractor. Am I right? Can anybody try patched version of maptool ( see http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/704 ) in environment close to maps.navit.org? 16:42 < woglinde> tryagain does searching work with it for you? 16:43 < Number6> tryagain: I can do an entire planet.bin for you, if you want. We'll need to decide on an exact version for us both to use 16:45 < tryagain> It doesnt work but my feeling is that this is related to environment I use (small piece of data) whereas maps.navit.org probably use pgsql and some sophisticated logic to extract coountry borders et al. 16:45 < woglinde> number6 hm did you start to look at the ce patches? 16:46 < tryagain> Number6 Can you extract something smaller - standard Munich for example? 16:46 < tryagain> Sorry, have to go no. 16:54 < Number6> woglinde: I'll try, but I'm moving house. When I'm not at work, I'm moving furniture! :-) 16:55 < woglinde> number6 okay 16:55 < woglinde> patches will wait no prob 17:04 < Number6> tryagain: I'll try the standard munich 17:35 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 17:36 < Number6> tryagain: I'll try Ireland first, at least I'll know what to look for :-) 17:43 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-094-217-204-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 17:43 -!- cp15 [nvsdhp@p57B1C840.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:48 < Conveam> Sorry i don't know how to install it on TomTom. Where is the folder /usr/local/cross ? 17:50 < woglinde> number6 your new housenumber? 17:50 < woglinde> Conveam hm thats normaly on your host a folder for crosscompile toolchain 17:52 < Number6> woglinde: My new house is not mapped yet, but I'll change that soon. My old house is mapped, and there are lots of houses marked with numbers in the area on OSM 17:52 < Number6> I hate moving house, so much wasted time and petrol. It will take at least 2 weeks for me to get internet, as well 17:58 < Conveam> Mhmm i tried again to install Navit on TomTom but there is a black screen again. Is there anybody who could install it for me ? :P 18:36 < Number6> NavitLogger: Hello 18:38 < NavitLogger> Hello. The log files on irc.navit.ie will slightly change, just for today. I've been moved to a new server - the maps7 server 18:55 -!- korrosa [~netbook@2.96.91.28] has joined #navit 18:55 < korrosa> Evening. 18:55 < Number6> korrosa: Log server has physically changed. You should see it when the DNS propagates 18:56 < korrosa> Just noticed it cut out an hour ago. 18:57 < Number6> I'm still seeing old DNS, but you should see two navit logs for today, when it propagates out 18:58 < Number6> That and I just wanted you here to say hello 18:58 < korrosa> Aw, you guys!! 18:58 < Mineque> hi korrosa 19:02 < korrosa> Hi Mineque! 19:03 < korrosa> Woah, reading the logs it looks like tryagain's had a house number patch up for ages!?! I'm trying it now.. 19:04 < woglinde> no 19:04 < woglinde> 16 hours 19:04 < woglinde> look at the attach time 19:11 < korrosa> For me, ages = 16 hours. You grandad. 19:12 < woglinde> lol 19:12 < korrosa> (Also, looks like if you just upload an attachment it doesn't update the "Last modified" time at the top of the ticket. It still says "Last modified 3 months ago") 19:16 < korrosa> tryagain: Your patch works beautifully for me. I tried it on the great_britain.pbf extract from Geofabrik processed through maptool r4453 with the patch on ticket 704. 19:17 < korrosa> OS: Ubuntu 10.04, if that's relevant. 19:17 < woglinde> korrosa I know 19:18 < woglinde> korrosa so housenumbersearching is working? 19:19 < korrosa> For me it is, yes. I've tried it on housenumbers attached to polygons. Just trying those attached to nodes.... 19:20 < woglinde> okay when its working I will commit the patch 19:21 < korrosa> Hmm, there's a weird glitch in it though... Hold on... 19:22 < woglinde> hm you can read c code now? 19:23 < korrosa> I've always been able to read code. Just not smart enough to do anything with it.... 19:23 < woglinde> *g* 19:23 < woglinde> okay 19:24 < korrosa> Anyway, I choose city, then a street, then I go to choose a housenumber. I type in "1" and a list appears. I don't do anything on my computer, and after a few seconds Navit crashes with the following: http://pastebin.com/ZPg1UEm2 19:25 < korrosa> Also, nodes DO NOT seem to work for me. 19:26 < korrosa> Hm, and now trying a different street with polygon houses doesn't work either. Do not commit the patch! 19:27 < woglinde> hm can you please enabled debug symbols? 19:27 < woglinde> otherwise it hard to see whats going on 19:30 < korrosa> Without sighing, how do I do that? 19:32 < woglinde> use CFLAGS -ggdb2 19:33 < korrosa> Is this during compiling, or running? 19:33 < woglinde> yes 19:33 < woglinde> compiling 19:33 < woglinde> try CFLAGS="-ggdb2" ./configure 19:34 < korrosa> Trying: ./autogen.sh && CFLAGS="-ggdb2"^Cconfigure && make && sudo make install 19:35 < korrosa> Hm, without the ^C bit.... 19:35 < woglinde> you need ./autogen.sh only once 19:35 < woglinde> afterwards configure is enough 19:37 < korrosa> I've always wondered about that. What if I do an "svn up" ? I'd need to do an autogen then, right? 19:38 < woglinde> no 19:38 < woglinde> not in all cases 19:38 < woglinde> only when configure.in changes 19:38 < woglinde> and it's changes very seldom in the last time 19:39 < korrosa> Ah, so autogen creates configure? 19:42 < woglinde> hm autoreconf or autoconf does 19:42 < woglinde> but its called in autogen.sh 19:42 < woglinde> ;) 19:43 < korrosa> Thanks for the lesson granddad! 19:44 < woglinde> no prob 19:45 < korrosa> Right, so I built with that command, restarted Navit but I still get the same debug output. 19:47 < korrosa> woglinde: Do I need to start Navit with a special switch? 19:47 < korrosa> (My compile command, for completeness: CFLAGS="-ggdb2" ./configure && make && sudo make install) 19:57 < woglinde> korrosa no 19:57 < woglinde> hm but look out if strip is called 19:57 < woglinde> strip will strip away all debug symbols 19:58 < woglinde> ah and look if gcc is really called with -ggdb2 20:10 < korrosa> I do get this: ./configure: line 4069: test: too many arguments 20:10 < woglinde> thas okay 20:12 < korrosa> OK, so I tried grepping for "strip" and "ggdb2" during ./configure and nothing. 20:12 < korrosa> Except: checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes 20:12 < korrosa> Relevant? 20:12 < woglinde> nah 20:12 < woglinde> strip is called at install 20:12 < woglinde> if 20:13 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14 -!- Prz_^ [~ju@231.109.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:15 < korrosa> So I should grep "strip" during make install ? Nothing shows... 20:17 < korrosa> Trying make 20:25 < korrosa> Nope. 20:59 < tryagain> hi again 21:01 < korrosa> Hi tryagain. Read the previous convo? 21:01 < tryagain> Yeah 21:01 < rd> I have a navigation question: see http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.769686&lon=9.195676&zoom=18&layers=M 21:03 < rd> I came from south east (Albert-Schäffele-Straße) and had to turn left onto Planckstraße. 21:03 < rd> Navit told me to turn right (!) onto Gänseheidestraße 21:04 < rd> Technically I can follow the announcement, when looking on the map. 21:04 < rd> But when driving that announcement is at best misleading, I would even call it wrong (since I have be on the left-turn lane, not the right-turn lane). 21:05 < rd> Is that an osm map bug or a navit issue, or simply a shortcoming of the osm tagging system? 21:07 < woglinde> look first at osm 21:07 < woglinde> but seems a navit bug as reported 2 or 3 times in the bugtracker 21:08 < rd> do you have the bug number(s)? 21:08 < korrosa> rd: I'm just trying to find them! 21:09 < korrosa> rd: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/795 may be relevant? 21:09 < tryagain> I'm glad to see that house search really began to show some results. Probably I will not be able to give much time to house search algo of navit, and if you test that the patch doesnt break anything, I think it's a good idea to appy it. It will definitely be a good base for work on search algo. 21:09 < woglinde> tryagaib it breaks something 21:10 < woglinde> korrosa any gdb backtrace with debug symbols now? 21:11 < korrosa> Nope. Does it work on yours? 21:15 < rd> korrosa, why do you think it is related? 21:15 < rd> It does a wrong announcement, but beyond that I do not see why they are the same? 21:15 < rd> btw, I have seen 795 at a different autobahn as well. 21:16 < korrosa> They are the same because of the wrong announcement. I think that the wrong announcement is as a result of some related error deep within Navit. 21:17 < rd> 795 talks about an announcement which is not clear why it is wrong. 21:18 < korrosa> Exactly? 21:18 < rd> The one I mentioned, is technically ok, but completely useless even missleading. 21:18 < rd> Have a look at the map... 21:19 < korrosa> Technically ok? From the map it looks like it should have told you to turn left, not right? 21:19 < rd> ...Gänseheidestraße should not even be mentioned by navit. But it is hard for it to know that the way the map is drawn. 21:19 < rd> turn left onto Planckstraße 21:19 < rd> it told: turn right onto Gänseheidestraße. 21:20 < rd> I am just 5 m on Gänsheidestraße at best. 21:22 < rd> I expect there are many of these "complicated" crossings. I am wondering if osm defines some tags/relations which help to generate routing announcements.... 21:22 < korrosa> When driving from Albert-blabla street onto onto Gänseheidestraße, should you be turning right then? 21:23 < rd> no 21:24 < rd> see http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=g%C3%A4nsheidestra%C3%9Fe+stuttgart&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=53.345014,78.398437&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=G%C3%A4nsheidestra%C3%9Fe,+Stuttgart,+Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg,+Deutschland&ll=48.769637,9.195963&spn=0.000969,0.001196&t=h&z=20 21:25 < korrosa> So that's my simple point. It told you the wrong way. Ticket 795 also gave an incorrect announcement. I was merely suggesting that they are related under the hood somewhere. 21:26 < rd> I see you point. 21:26 < rd> But here navit probalby does not know, how the lanes are marked.... 21:26 < rd> ...it can just guess from the angles of the crossing. 21:27 < rd> From the angles, turn right is acceptable. 21:27 < rd> I think the highway thing is a special hardcoded rule for highways. 21:28 < rd> (since normally when you leave a highway, you need to leave it on the right side). 21:31 -!- Conveam [~Conveam@p548F8F3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:38 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 21:42 -!- samco [~samco@61.125.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:44 < tryagain> korrosa can you please publish on the ticket 704 deatils of failures found (description of map data, query strings used), some house examples which can't be found and search strings used. That info may be helpful to improve search algo. BTW, are you been able to find anything without the patch, esp. houses attached to nodes? 21:44 -!- samco [~samco@61.125.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #navit 21:47 < tryagain> good night all 21:47 -!- tryagain [d9962aec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.236] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56 -!- korrosa [~netbook@2.96.91.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13 -!- woglinde [~heinold@f052229055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zapp] 22:25 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49192.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14 -!- OLiverr [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14 -!- OLiverr [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #navit 23:52 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Jun 01 00:00:36 2011