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10:59 < antenna1> hey woglinde
11:00 < woglinde> hi antenna1
11:01 < antenna1> woglinde:  could you tell me how the tunnel extrapolation works in track.c?
11:02 < woglinde> sorry no
11:04 < antenna1> mh, ok, thanks anyway. Do you know when cp15 is going to be back? I wonder if there are any rance limits or if does it work until you get back the gps reception
11:06 < woglinde> sorry dont know when cp15 will show up again
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13:24 < antenna1> korrosa; did you find out how the bots manage to create an account?
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13:28 < tryagain> Hi all. Is there anybody to try my POI filtering patch? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/859
13:34 < tryagain> korrosa Seen your comment on #704. Do you have some confirmed crashes with that patch? If not, then everything went as expected: there is quite much work to be done with search algos. Will try to reproduce your search results (now downloading great_britain from geofabrik).
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13:37 < tryagain> If any degradation after applying #704 will not be confirmed, I plan to merge it into #859 and implement searching by addr:street and addr:housenumber from the POI menu with the same algo as POI search done.
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13:39 < tryagain> I read channel logs, feel free reply here or to the tickets.
13:48 < tryagain> s/ee r/ee to r/
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13:57 < edje> hi all, i know navit is for cars, but is there a way to use it for walking on tracks that are not on the map ? tangogps will give you a destination point and your position , regardless whether there is a road or not
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14:39 < korrosa> tryagain: After updating to latest svn my previous crash scenario no longer occurs, so it all looks good on that front!
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15:34 < antenna1> korrosa: do you recognize that the cursor position lags behind the real position? I wonder if there could be somekind of projection depending on the current speed to set the cursor approximately to the real position
15:37 < korrosa> antenna1. Indeed. Normally it's about 3 seconds. I've noticed recently, however, that after a journey of about 1 hour on the motorway Navit is waaaaaaay behind. I don't know if this is Navit, or gpsd or the bluetooth connection though.
15:37 < korrosa> Projection would be very difficult. What happens when you drive into a new road?
15:39 < antenna1> well, normally you slow down when turning into a new road. So the mistake wouldn't be too notable.
15:40 < antenna1> that's why I said depending on speed
15:40 < antenna1> yesterday I tested the new tunnel extrapolation
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15:42 < antenna1> it works well, but only for a short distance.  I don't know whether this was because i got a signal  for a second or if it's coded. Too bad I can't check it
15:43 < antenna1> If it was coded, is there any issue to extend the range of the extrapolation?
15:43 < antenna1> it was a noise protection tunnel with small windows on top, that's why I got a signal for a second
15:44 < korrosa> Unfortunately I have no useful answers to your questions!! I also don't have any tunnels near me to test this with!
15:45 < antenna1> Also, I noticed that keybindings should be disabled at the destination search
15:49 < korrosa> Agreed.
16:10 < antenna1> korrosa: did cp15 find out how the bots manage to create an account?
16:23 < korrosa> antenna1: Don't know - haven't heard from him at all. I haven't emailed him or anything though...
16:29 < Mineque> antenna1: ?
16:30 < antenna1> Mineque: ? what's your question?
16:31 < Mineque> what you meant by " bots manage to create an account?
16:32 < antenna1> Mineque: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Special:RecentChanges
16:33 < Mineque> uh
16:33 < antenna1> normally there is a check so bots can't create an account
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19:00 < Guest41230> hello - first, sorry for my bad english
19:01 < Guest41230> how actuality are the navit maps ? ( i come from germany)
19:03 < Guest41230> Have navit-software a real time traffic system ? ...... ( so to say me by dangerous of the navigation road)
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19:04 < korrosa> Hi Guest41230.
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19:05 < Guest41230> hi korrosa
19:05 < korrosa> Guest41230: All Navit maps are processed from OpenStreetMaps data. To download maps, go to http://maps.navit-project.org
19:05 < korrosa> Navit does not have a real-time traffic system.
19:06 < Guest41230> korrosa, i have navit from the android-market .... it loading the german map
19:07 < Guest41230> korrosa, thank you for these promptly answer
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19:08 < korrosa> Guest41230: There have been some comments recently that downloading the map on an Android doesn't work. Let us know what happens!
19:10 < Guest41230> korrosa, ok - now it loading ...... i tell what by me happend
19:10 < Guest41230> one thing
19:13 < Guest41230> in the android market there are traffic-messages-app (example : traffic jam) for free ...... can a programmer connect navit and these app, and so create a real-time traffic-system for navit !?
19:14 < korrosa> Navit is open source, so yes, I'm sure they could. Are you a programmer?
19:17 < Guest41230> i am a beginner programmer (html/php+mysql)
19:17 < korrosa> If you're hinting whether some sort of API is available in Navit, then I'm not sure but I'll hazard a guess at no. If you want to integrate the two you'll have to change the Navit codebase.
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19:17 < Guest41230> i have tomorrow my last class-test ..... i have time ;)
19:17 < korrosa> Guest41230: Navit is written in C. The Android port has a fair bit of Java.
19:17 < Guest41230> in what language is navit coded ?
19:18 < korrosa> ^
19:18 < Guest41230> C or C++ ?
19:18 < korrosa> C.
19:18 < Guest41230> thats nice :P
19:19 < Guest41230> in that language i have written a lot of very simple funny programs, too
19:19 < korrosa> Good stuff. To get started, have a look at some of the random wiki pages: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Index#Navit_For_Developers
19:20 < Guest41230> ok -i have a new meaning of life ;)
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19:34 < woglinde> php-mysql?
19:38 < korrosa> woglinde: You'll have to define the question.
19:39 < woglinde> most php-mysql developers dont care security or even dont know about it
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19:43 < Guest41230> thats true
19:44 < woglinde> and they lack software design
19:44 < korrosa> woglinde: making sweeping generalisations since 1910.
19:44 < Guest41230> unfortunately
19:44 < Guest41230> ok
19:46 < Guest41230> korrosa, i have load the maps - all right .... restart the app .... go out for gps ..... gps find me ... but i show nothing .... i load the maps from the webside and test it again
19:46 < woglinde> is it yellow?
19:47 < korrosa> Guest41230: Do you see a yellow backgound?
19:47 < korrosa> (snap!)
19:47 < Guest41230> korrosa, no - white
19:48 < korrosa> Interesting. By default, the map background should be yellow (although I'm not sure if this is still the case for the Android build). Let us know what happens with a map from maps.navit-project.org.
19:51 < Guest41230> where i must copy the .bin data ?
19:53 < korrosa> To your sd card, I presume? The you'll probably have to edit navit.xml.
19:53 < korrosa> Maybe you won't have to edit navit.xml: see http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#Manual_map_download_.5Bless_recommended.5D
19:57 < Guest41230> i see now in my navit folder a navitmap.tmp ...... is that the reason i see only white .....
19:58 < Guest41230> that is the file i have load via android
20:04 < korrosa> Maybe! I don't have an android, so I'm not sure how it works!
20:05 < Guest41230> korrosa, what have you ?
20:05 < Guest41230> ;)
20:06 < korrosa> Acer One netbook, running Ubuntu.
20:12 < Guest41230> you use a netbook else navigator ?
20:12 < Guest41230> is that not to big ?
20:15 < korrosa> Nah - the screen is only about 10 inches. I like a big screen to see my surroundings on the map! :)
20:15 < korrosa> Also, bear in mind this is only for in the car - I don't walk around holding my netbook!
20:16 < Guest41230> 10 i is for a navi big ......
20:17 < Guest41230> everyone what he want ;)
20:17 < Guest41230> ok
20:17 < Guest41230> i load the german map now and it works perfectly
20:18 < korrosa> Good!
20:22 < Guest41230> navit works a bot slowly ... is that normal ?
20:24 < korrosa> Define slowly? As in the cursor doesn't move very fast, or lags, or the menus take a while to show up?
20:25 < Guest41230> zoom in/out the map
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20:25 < korrosa> Guest41230: I guess it could - it depends on your device, and how detailed your area has been mapped. Are you in a city, or the countryside?
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20:33 < Guest41230> countryside
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20:44 < Guest41230> i use samsung i9000 - navit abort ...... and hang of
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20:49 < Guest41230> ok
20:49 < Guest41230> now it works fine
20:55 < Guest41230> exit cucu
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20:56 < korrosa> Guest41230: Samsung Galaxy S I9000? Please do update the table at http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#List_of_Android_devices_which_Navit_is_.28confirmed.29_running_on
20:56 < korrosa> Damn.
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21:16 < tryagain> korrosa Have seen your reply, glad to know that nothing is really got broken. But I was able to find a bunch of housenumbers from Hampton Park (66,64, and so on) when searching for 6 Warwick road. The rest does not fit on the screen. I think results from Warwick Road just got below the results from Hampton Park. Do you really have only one result?
21:18 < korrosa> tryagain: the crash is back. Hold on...
21:19 < korrosa> navit 0.5.0 4507M
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21:20 < korrosa> tryagain: http://pastebin.com/b7rmYN9s
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21:20 < korrosa> That's Bristol->Warwick Road->"1"
21:20 < korrosa> Two second wait, then crash...
21:21 < korrosa> But, all the housenumbers do show up before the crash.
21:21 < korrosa> Weird - I've changed nothing since this morning!
21:23 < tryagain> Crash can be expected when you get too much search results, which overflow some internal limitation of gui_internal, probably dependent of current availiable memory and moon phase on the Mars.
21:25 < korrosa> tryagain: Well, we should probably limit the number of search results then, no?
21:25 < tryagain> I've got it reproduced! Yes, nobody will scroll dozens of housenumbers.
21:26 < korrosa> tryagain: more to the point - we can't scroll!!
21:27 < tryagain> May be the scrolling similar to one in  POI results will be good.
21:29 < korrosa> It's a start, but pageing really belongs back in the 1990s - scrolling the ultimate goal!
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21:44 < korrosa> tryagain: I'm just building with your new poi patch - will update in a sec...
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21:45 < Guest72765> where i must navitmap.bin copy by navit for ubuntu ?
21:46 < woglinde> look into your navit.xml
21:46 < korrosa> Guest72765: Wherever you like, as long as you add it to your mapset in navit.xml.
21:47 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit#The_mapset
21:48 < Guest72765> where is the xml ?
21:49 < korrosa> Guest72765: Hm, how did you install it?
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21:50 < korrosa> tryagain: During make: http://pastebin.com/dszD5eVx. This may not be relevant, just thought I'd share...
21:50 < Guest72765> i install it with ubuntu software centre
21:50 < Guest72765> i find the xml
21:53 < korrosa> OK, then xml should be in ~/.navit/navit.xml
21:53 < korrosa> tryagain: POI patch works. Is it designed not to auto-display results during search?
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21:55 < tryagain> Yes, we don't do auto-display here 'coz results should be sorted by distance before them can be displayed.
21:56 < korrosa> OK, that does make sense! Should I test anything specific which may cause a crash?
21:56 < tryagain> You know better how to crash ;)
21:57 < tryagain> Well, i'm saying goodnight now. Will look at the logs tomorrow. See you!
21:58 < korrosa> Lol! I'm trying my best! It looks like the distance doesn't take into account imperial. Is that right?
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21:58 < korrosa> Damn, again!
22:01 < Guest72765> no xml is in /etc/navit
22:02 < Guest72765> navit crashed by my android, if i set manual the position where i am
22:02 < Guest72765> good night
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22:37 < woglinde> marvin24 works I heard the plop too
22:37 < woglinde> uos
22:37 < woglinde> wrong channel
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