--- Log opened Mon Jun 13 00:00:37 2011 00:00 < Mineque> gn guys 00:36 -!- Morphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:53 -!- Morphous [jan@unaffiliated/amorphous] has joined #navit 01:28 -!- Number6 [~number6@frink.nuigalway.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44 -!- Number6 [~number6@frink.nuigalway.ie] has joined #navit 03:08 -!- noradtux [~quassel@g224050103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 03:09 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@f054019011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:06 -!- DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-69-162.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #navit 04:07 < DoubleYou> hello, i just installed navit for android through the android market and i've downloaded a map with my computer. I've added it to the Sd card as mentioned in http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android 04:08 < DoubleYou> however, the app still shows 'download first map' and doesn't display a map. also, when trying to find the navit.xml file on my android system, it could not be found 04:08 < DoubleYou> the folder /data/ is actually an empty dir on my android 04:11 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-104-160-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:12 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-105-197-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 06:27 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 06:39 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:44 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 06:48 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 06:48 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has joined #navit 07:01 -!- sera [~sera@81-51.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:25 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 07:33 -!- arnotixe [~arnotixe@ti0013a380-dhcp0211.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:40 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@95.237.156.227] has joined #navit 08:01 -!- DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-69-162.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 08:08 -!- sera [~sera@45.83.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #navit 08:09 < Mineque> hi 08:36 -!- goldfndr_ [~goldfndr@h-72-244-200-211.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #navit 08:39 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-105-197-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:40 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-188-105-198-058.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 10:23 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 10:25 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:26 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 11:00 -!- antenna1 [~ion@p5DDE68BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #navit 11:46 -!- antenna1 [~ion@p5DDE68BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:22 -!- antenna1 [~ion@p5DDE68BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #navit 12:23 -!- antenna1 [~ion@p5DDE68BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #navit [] 12:32 < noradtux> hi 12:33 < noradtux> question: what do I need to change in navit.xml to enable tunnel extrapolation? 12:39 -!- goldfndr__ [~goldfndr@h-72-244-200-211.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #navit 12:39 -!- goldfndr_ [~goldfndr@h-72-244-200-211.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11 -!- pbaxter [~pbaxter@95.237.156.227] has left #navit ["Ex-Chat"] 13:27 -!- rd [~rd@p57B494D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 14:04 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:16 -!- rd [~rd@p57B494D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:19 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 14:20 -!- rd [~rd@p57B494D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 14:22 < Number6> The HEAnet OSM Mirror is broken, if anyone is using it 14:35 -!- tparcina [~tomo@cisco15.fesb.hr] has left #navit [] 15:26 -!- rd [~rd@p57B494D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:44 -!- Fragle [Fragle@dslb-188-108-097-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 16:29 -!- rd [~rd@p57B48963.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 16:56 -!- rd [~rd@p57B48963.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:10 -!- antenna1 [~ion@188.99.94.2] has joined #navit 17:24 -!- rd [~rd@p57B48963.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 17:26 -!- KarstenK [5484227d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.132.34.125] has joined #navit 17:26 < KarstenK> hi 17:27 < KarstenK> when i start navit (svn today) on a motorola defy it blinks then goes the display black and then crash navit 17:46 -!- rd [~rd@p57B48963.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:48 < KarstenK> HELLO!?!? 17:49 -!- rd [~rd@p57B486A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 17:49 < KarstenK> hi 18:01 < KarstenK> exit 18:01 -!- KarstenK [5484227d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.132.34.125] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10 -!- rd [~rd@p57B486A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:16 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.144.122.90] has joined #navit 18:16 < korrosa> Bonjourno!! 18:17 -!- noradtux_ [~quassel@d210111.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #navit 18:17 -!- noradtux [~quassel@g224050103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17 -!- antenna1 [~ion@188.99.94.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23 < Mineque> hi korrosa 18:29 < Number6> Hi, all 18:29 < korrosa> Hey! 18:32 < Number6> /o/ 18:44 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 18:47 < zoff99> hi 18:51 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1/20090707221522]] 18:59 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-099-094-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 19:07 < korrosa> So it looks like the Android builds are quite shaky, and have been for a while. I've declared: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android 19:09 < korrosa> antenna1: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/875 19:11 < antenna1> korrosa: great! thank you 19:12 < korrosa> antenna1: I'm testing it tomorrow on a 5hr car journey, so we'll see how it goes! 19:12 < antenna1> korrosa: is there any way how i can contact cp15? 19:12 < antenna1> what are you doing on a 5hr journey? 19:13 < korrosa> ...driving... 19:14 < korrosa> (I've sent you his email in a pm - don't regurgitate it on here as it's publicly logged!) 19:15 < antenna1> korrosa: sorry, this would be the way you ask in german. I actually meant what got you to drive so far... 19:16 < antenna1> thanks, got it 19:16 < antenna1> I want to ask him about the tunnel extrapolation 19:16 < korrosa> antenna1: If you find out do share in the irc logs - I'd be interested too (though there's no tunnels here!) 19:18 < antenna1> korrosa: even bridges cause a loss of signal 19:19 < korrosa> How long are your bridges?! 19:20 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #navit 19:21 < zoff99> korrosa: ping 19:21 < korrosa> zoff99: Pong, I guess! 19:21 < zoff99> whats up? with ur wiki edits? 19:22 < zoff99> rikky and cp15 broke the android build months ago, and dont do anything about it 19:23 < korrosa> Hence the edits? Not sure what you're getting at here... 19:23 < zoff99> there are a few 100 crash reports in the android market and nobody does anything 19:23 < antenna1> uhm there's a train bridge with around 30 meters. Idk, anyway I always loose signal, the cursor jumps to the road aside and I get a warning to turn around 19:23 < zoff99> is rikky around? 19:24 < zoff99> korrosa: announcing on the wiki that market build is not working , is plain wrong and hurtful to me personally. thats what i am getting at 19:25 < korrosa> zoff99: Is the market build working? 19:25 < korrosa> antenna1: Drive faster!! 19:25 < zoff99> well , its the best version of it for android (not completly bugfree) u can get 19:26 < zoff99> rikky just added some useless crap features, instead of fixing some remaining issues 19:26 < zoff99> what totally broken is the last SVN versions. they dont work at all 19:27 < antenna1> korrosa: I will! But gasoline bills and tickets will be sent to you! 19:27 < korrosa> zoff99: So your comment of it being "plain wrong" is in fact "plain wrong". There are issues with the Android build, a lot of people have jumped on IRC complaining, which means there must be many, many more in the outside world. Hence a notice on the wiki urging people to report on trac. 19:27 < korrosa> It shows that we're aware of the issues, even if they're not being worked on *right now*. 19:28 < zoff99> not true 19:28 < zoff99> the current market build, works fine. u can download maps and navigate and even search in some areas 19:28 < zoff99> after that every SVN !! version does not let u do that, thats why people complain 19:28 < korrosa> antenna1: Luckily I've been OK so far! Looks like I'll have to find myself a tunnel! 19:29 < zoff99> korrosa: who is aware of the issues? i cant believe cp15 or rikky is aware of anything really 19:32 < zoff99> i can see that nothing will change here. thats a shame 19:33 < zoff99> only thing left to do is release a different version of navit. some sort of android spin off 19:33 < korrosa> Indeed. Why hang around then? Instead, be civil and useful. Or indeed fork the project. No-one is stopping you!! 19:34 < zoff99> dont talk to me about beeing civil. i have not been uncivil. i was hoping all this time some progress would be made 19:34 < zoff99> yet its going backwards 19:34 < korrosa> If you believe anything on the wiki is "plain wrong" you have the power to change it. 19:34 < zoff99> and i dont know if its without problems to fork 19:35 < zoff99> i dont know 100% about the GPL license 19:35 < zoff99> if a fork is done, the android namespace has to change 19:38 < korrosa> zoff99: I think (but I'm not sure) that you can fork without issues, as long as you keep the attributions to the previous project in there. Do you have a local copy at home with further bugfixes to the market build? If so, I'd suggest releasing it - there are other modified builds out there for other platforms (I think the n900 is one example). 19:39 < zoff99> cp15 has not been around rikky too. so no change to talk 19:39 < zoff99> chance 19:40 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 19:41 < korrosa> They've both been active though in the past weeks, with a few commits. Perhaps send them an email? 19:42 -!- arnotixe [~arnotixe@33-155-8.connect.netcom.no] has joined #navit 19:51 -!- zoff99 [~chatzilla@chello080109110017.13.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1/20090707221522]] 19:59 < antenna1> korrosa: do you know what this map download is all about? 20:01 < antenna1> what do you think about ticket #880 20:05 < korrosa> Map download? 20:06 < korrosa> I saw #880 - I'm not too fussed about it, but I doubt it'd be that easy to implement! 20:11 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:12 < Number6> http://www.quora.com/Why-is-U2-so-popular/answer/Daniel-Rosenthal <-- So true :-( 20:14 -!- arnotixe [~arnotixe@33-155-8.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:20 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has joined #navit 20:43 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@124.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 20:48 -!- playya [~playya@93.216.247.170] has joined #navit 20:48 -!- playya [~playya@93.216.247.170] has quit [Changing host] 20:48 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 21:03 < antenna1> korrosa: there seems to be a feature for auto map download 21:04 < Number6> There has been the ability for map downloading for some time 21:05 < Number6> Mainly for on-device downloading 21:06 < Number6> It destroys the server, though :-( 21:06 < antenna1> too many downloads? 21:07 < antenna1> are the directories branches and tags needed? 21:07 < Number6> Yeah. Each device can, easily, require 10 map "segments" for a route 21:07 < antenna1> why don't you block it then? 21:07 < Number6> Because it's a feature that we want :-) 21:08 < Number6> What we need is more infrastructure. Many more mapservers. 21:10 < antenna1> I always installed svn with only the trunk directory, but I wonder if the other directories are needed. 21:10 < Number6> For example, at the peak, all out mapservers were busy with 90 concurrent connections pushing out a total of 30MB 21:11 < Number6> No, for more people trunk is what you need. That's where all the application is 21:13 -!- tripzero [~tripzero@134.134.139.70] has joined #navit 21:13 < antenna1> that really is alot. ok, thanks 21:13 -!- tripzero [~tripzero@134.134.139.70] has left #navit [] 21:13 < antenna1> I'm out, bye 21:14 -!- antenna1 [~antenna1@dslb-188-099-094-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31 < Number6> korrosa: Ping 21:32 < Number6> I tried to make navit on the super computer, but a number of packages are missing 21:32 < Number6> Well, maptool, not navit 21:44 < korrosa> Did it say which? 21:45 < Number6> It said nothing, cannot find libcrypto :-) 21:46 < Number6> But I swear to God, I'll have a run of maptool on that system 21:56 < korrosa> Is this the threaded version? 21:59 < Number6> Nah, maptool can't be parallelised with any ease (at least with openMP) 21:59 < Number6> The decompression of the bz2 file, however, can be 22:00 < Number6> And very easily! You just replace bzcat with pbzip -c -d 22:07 < korrosa> I'll try it on my netbook for lolz... 22:10 < korrosa> Actually, I convert from .pbf files, so no dice for me! 22:11 < Number6> protobuf files are fairly good 22:12 < Number6> But not for the same reason as the osm.bz2 computes 22:14 < Number6> Well, parse, not compute 22:16 < korrosa> I think I understand what you just wrote. For me, a pbf extract converts faster to a binfile than a bz2 extract. It's also half the size to download! 22:18 < Number6> I've always said "computing" the map, that's incorrect. Nothing is being "computed" from XML, it's being read in and converted into the navit binfile format. The only real computation is the decompression and the re-compression 22:18 < Number6> Yrah, the pbf files are lovely and small. 22:18 < Number6> *Yeah 22:19 < korrosa> Ha! I go with "convert"...! 22:19 < Number6> That works :-) 22:44 < korrosa> Well, time for bed for me! 22:44 < korrosa> Night all! 22:53 -!- korrosa [~netbook@78.144.122.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03 -!- Rodtusker [~rht@41.72.193.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:58 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@124.224.113.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jun 14 00:00:37 2011