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01:10 < curious> hmm, i see 'poi_wifi' in the Item_def.h
01:11 < curious> afaik 'wifi' is deprecated as it's trademark, and also some wireless networks are not really 'wifi' at all
01:11 < curious> proper osm tag is sth like wlan
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08:16 < korrosa> curious: wifi hotspots are not recorded in OSM (they are too dynamic; see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/WiFi_Zone/Hotspot)
08:17 < korrosa> As a result, if you use an OSM map in Navit, there won't be any wifi hotspots shown. Indeed, Navit doesn't actually look for anything related to wifi in OSM when processing the map data.
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08:18 < korrosa> poi_wifi, then, should be used with a custom textfile or csv file
08:18 < korrosa> KaZeR_W: PLEASE FIX TRAC LOGIN!!!
08:19 < korrosa> (Well, actually it's probably wiki login problems....)
08:19 < KaZeR_W> hi there
08:20 < korrosa> curious: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_textfile_format http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_csv_format
08:20 < korrosa> Hi KaZeR. Many people like myself can't login to trac or the wiki using our wiki credentials.
08:21 < korrosa> curious: You'll obviously have to find hotspot data from another website.
08:23 < korrosa> curious: Just checked some more; OSM allows the tagging of objects which allow internet access using internet_access=yes (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WLAN). Navit doesn't recognise this key at the moment.
08:24 < KaZeR_W> korrosa, ah, i wasn't aware of that
08:24 < KaZeR_W> i'll have a look this evening (can't right now)
08:25 < KaZeR_W> korrosa, any particular symptoma?
08:25 < korrosa> Well, the symptoms are that I can't login to trac, or edit anything on the wiki.
08:27 < korrosa> I go to trac, and sign in with http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Korrosa
08:27 < korrosa> I click Sign-In
08:28 < korrosa> I then get this: http://i.imgur.com/fUbuE.png
08:29 < KaZeR_W> interesting, same error here. it worked a few days ago
08:29 < KaZeR_W> i'll have a look
08:29 < korrosa> Cheers.
08:29 < korrosa> Laters....
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09:01 <@Horwitz> morgen
09:09 < KaZeR_W> hi Horwitz
09:20 < tryagain> KaZeR_W On trac problem: thats indeed seems to be wiki OpenID subsystem problem, as I'm able to login to trac with OpenID: http://tryagain.myopenid.com . Also I'm able to login with my old wiki login to wiki.
09:21 < KaZeR_W> thanks for the info, tryagain
09:24 < tryagain> KaZeR_W Btw, do you plan to  work on http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/855 "Please enable again the CIA notifications on trac entries"
09:29 < tryagain> dandor hope you read logs. I feel that your pings are about your suggested patch for "+" overload/ I didn't had a chance to view your patch, is it aviliable on trac? Just some thoughts following...
09:34 < tryagain> 1. Do you extract string values of non-string attributes to do calculations?
09:34 < tryagain> 2. How will it work with mixed data types. I.e. what will be result if I try to evaluate "num1+num2+str1+str2+num3", where numX and strX are attributes of corresponding types? For strjoin command the result is predictable - all arguments will be concatenated together.
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09:36 < tryagain> 3. Can we use parentheses to split numeric additions from concatenation?
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09:38 < tryagain> If you have good answers to these  questions and will document it, I feel your suggestion is better than existiong strjoin() command.
09:40 < KaZeR_W> tryagain, yes, i have to fix that too, indeed
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10:11 < tryagain> KaZeR_W It seems to be helpful to include link to additional report for changed tickets at trac report page. I use something like this: http://trac.navit-project.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&col=id&col=summary&col=changetime&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&desc=1&order=changetime&row=description
10:23 < Number6> tryagain: You patch for 876 works perfectly :-)
10:23 < Number6> *Your
10:24 < tryagain> I'm happy. How did you manage to apply it wihout touching the code? ;)
10:24 < Number6> It's not been committed yet, I just tested it
10:26 < tryagain> what should be done to get approval? cp15 seems to be not reading his official email...
10:28 < tryagain> also there's #859 pending. May be for now at least add some usage reports to trac?
10:29 < Number6> Tingle!
10:29 < CIA-85> geoghegan * r4536 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/misc.c: Add:Maptool: Adds in extra street types, allowing for more routing options. Closes ticket #876 | Thanks Tryagain
10:30 < tryagain> Wow! You've got the mail!
10:30 < Number6> Can someone tell me how to login to trac, so I can close off the ticket?
10:30 < tryagain> register at myopenid.com
10:31 < tryagain> will you have the rights? Unsure...
10:31 < Number6> Will that not conflict with the Wiki details? I only want one username for trac - so I can look over tickets I've done!
10:33 < tryagain> Surely that will be a different login.
10:35 < Number6> It should just be https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/user:number6
10:36 < Number6> But the wiki seems broken, I can't edit my own page
10:36 < tryagain> kazer is going to fix it
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10:57 < kenguest> Number6: you were asking about highway=trunk a while back?
11:00 < Number6> kenguest: Aye, the recent commit is something similar to that. I can route from Carlow to Galway now in one instance (instead of Carlow -> Tullamore -> Galway)
11:01 < Number6> Although, I don't need to do that anymore :-)
11:02 < kenguest> if you're using it to find pedestrians your doing it wrong!
11:04 < Number6> Nah, man. All the chicks dig opensource developers
11:15 < Number6> tryagain: Can you close off ticket #876 with a note, saying it was added in Revision 4536?
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12:21 < Number6> tryagain: Ticket 859 doesn't crash for me, when I run older versions of navit with the modified binfile.
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17:10 < tryagain_> Number6 done with 876
17:11 < tryagain_> dandor I wrote you a few words today
17:11 < dandor> hi tryagain
17:11 < tryagain_> hi
17:11 < dandor> thanks i saw it
17:11 < dandor> i think my patch will work as you have written it
17:12 < dandor> i can do stuff like this:
17:12 < dandor> 123 + "Dst set" + ( 22 + 11 ) + "TEST" + "TEST2" + get_attr_var("TESTVAR")
17:12 < dandor> do you want to give it a try?
17:12 < tryagain_> Of course yes
17:12 < dandor> ok moment
17:14 < dandor> tryagain_, pls catch the diff file
17:14 < tryagain_> dandor can you please do it with pastebin or trac?
17:15 < tryagain_> I'm using web irc interface, seems to be unable to transfer files
17:15 < dandor> with pastebin whitespaces disappear which usually makes patches unusable
17:15 < dandor> and i cannot log in to trac now
17:15 < tryagain_> hm
17:16 < dandor> s/disappear/converted/
17:17 < tryagain_> pvt
17:19 < woglinde> dandor why you cannt log into trac?
17:19 < woglinde> make a wiki account
17:19 < woglinde> and use it
17:20 < tryagain_> btw i created a new openid at myopenid.com It works well with trac. wiki openid doesnt work, kazer is working on it.
17:20 < woglinde> tryagain its working
17:20 < woglinde> you have to use the whole wiki-user url
17:21 < tryagain_> Is this whole: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Tryagain
17:21 < tryagain_> ?
17:21 < Number6> woglinde: I tried that, and I get an error from the Wiki saying "An error occured during verification of the OpenID URL."
17:21 < Number6> tryagain_: Thanks
17:22 < woglinde> hm
17:22 < tryagain_> same here with above url
17:22 < dandor> same verification error here...
17:22 < tryagain_> kazer seems to be unable to log in too ;)
17:23 < dandor> :D:D
17:23 < Number6> It's the wiki. I'm unable to edit any pages.
17:23 < woglinde> hm
17:23 < woglinde> who broke it again
17:23 < woglinde> yeah
17:24 < woglinde> yes
17:24 < woglinde> intressting trac worked
17:24 < tryagain_> I can log in to wiki, but didn't test if I can change anything yet
17:24 < woglinde> as I was loged in
17:24 < woglinde> *sigh*
17:24 < woglinde> kazer should give us some accounts
17:26 < Mineque> dandor: sorry i had crazy day did sth changed in your patch?
17:26 < Number6> I wonder where cp15 is... It's like he dropped off the face of the earth (with the odd exception of a few commits)
17:26 < dandor> Mineque, no problem
17:26 < dandor> no there is no change since than
17:27 < dandor> then
17:28 < Mineque> ok i'll check that
17:35 < antenna1> are any of the mapsX.navit-project servers updated daily?
17:37 < Number6> The last update, that I can see, is from the 13th
17:37 < tryagain_> dandor 1. there are not only numeric attribute data types, but also color, coordinates etc... Will your patch work with them?
17:40 < dandor> i think it should, if attr_to_text() function supports that particular attribute type it should be ok
17:40 < tryagain_> 2. You seem to be memleaking, for example, you directly feed to g_strdup_frintf a pointer to memory allocated by get_string
17:41 < woglinde> number6 what happens to the maps?
17:41 < dandor> hm
17:42 < dandor> tryagain_, you are right about the memleak stuff
17:43 < dandor> will fix that
17:46 < Number6> woglinde: I'm not too sure. There seems to have been two issues. 1) the main maps generating server broke for a time. 2) the OSM datasource also has issues
17:47 < woglinde> number6 hm maptool is faulty?
17:47 < woglinde> did you try on your mirrors?
17:47 < Number6> I'll take a look at maps 5 and 7 later, I'm just about to leave for the train :-)
17:47 < woglinde> ah okay
17:48 < woglinde> thanks
17:48 < Number6> np
17:48 < woglinde> btw. did you test the win ce patches?
17:48 < woglinde> from mbitter?
17:53 < tryagain_> dandor To processing of different types. I think this will work only if one of operands at each processing step is of string type. To directly connect two numbers or number with color, etc, you will have to use an empty string placeholder. Will look quite ugly. May be use a new operator symbol instead of +?
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18:04 < tryagain_> Number6 to crash 859 you'll need to find an area with housenumbers defined for polygons and run housenumber search on that street. That was quite reproduceable. May be it got fixed by recently applied changes to svn?
18:08 < woglinde> tryagain ping
18:10 < woglinde> tryagain can you test the patches from here on your wince device
18:10 < woglinde> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/554
18:10 < woglinde> and report if they are working
18:10 < woglinde> till later
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18:26 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi. Took Navit out for a drive yesterday (In Ubuntu 11.04) and found a couple of issues.
18:27 < OwenLA7QZ> Cursor for vehicle is too small, difficult to see. OK for copilot, but not good enough for driver. Can I make it bigger?
18:28 < OwenLA7QZ> Vehicle gets way too close to edge of screen before scrolling. This is particularly problematic in 3D mode. I found I was always manually scrolling the map.
18:29 < OwenLA7QZ> Can it be made to keep the vehicle near the bottom center of the screen at all times?
18:38 < antenna1> Hi OwenLA7QZ, to you first issue: what's your cursor? The default one?
18:38 < antenna1> *your
18:39 < OwenLA7QZ> Yes, It's probably the default cursor. Haven't changed anything
18:40 < antenna1> here are some alternatives: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Layout
18:42 < antenna1> to the second one: you need to add follow="1" to vehicle name
18:43 < OwenLA7QZ> In the navit.xml file?
18:43 < OwenLA7QZ> Someone needs to write a GUI for editing that file... It's probably keeping a lot of users away from Navit.
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18:44 < antenna1> yep, make sure to read how to configure navit, this will avoid most of the questions: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit
18:45 < antenna1> search for the cursor tag, remove the old one and paste the new cursor
18:45 < antenna1> here is the xml for the arrow adjusted for netbook screens:http://pastebin.com/k9b45R7V
18:48 < OwenLA7QZ> Does this look correct?
18:48 < OwenLA7QZ> Should enabled be "yes"?
18:51 < antenna1> indeed, at least one vehicle should be enabled;http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit#The_Vehicles_Definitions
18:55 < OwenLA7QZ> OK. Won't be driving more than one vehicle at a time anytime soon :)
18:55 < OwenLA7QZ> OK, I'll play around some more and get back to you. Thanks!
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19:35 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Sounds like you're learning fast!!
19:37 < Number6> Hmmm, bugger. I'm not too sure how to update the OSM data on the map servers
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19:41 < antenna1> korrosa: do you know how can I process two pbf to one bin file with maptool?
19:41 < korrosa> antenna1: No, you greedy bugger!!
19:42 < Number6> antenna1: It can be done with bz2, iirc
19:42 < korrosa> Yeah, as Number6 said.
19:42 < korrosa> Use --dedupe-ways if you do.
19:42 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap#From_.osm
19:44 < antenna1> I read that part, so I wondered if it was possible with pbf
19:45 < korrosa> I don't know, I'm afraid!
19:47 < antenna1> wow, germany has already more than 1.4 gb as bz2
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19:48 < antenna1> korrosa:  what additional icons are available if you processed the map yourself?
19:49 < korrosa> None. Unless you've modified osm.c
19:49 < korrosa> Or do you not mean pois?
19:50 < antenna1> yea, I meant pois, sorry
19:50 < korrosa> What additional ones would you like?
19:52 < antenna1> none actually, I just compared the preprocessed one and the one I processed myself and I didn't see a huge difference. So what's the advantage of processing yourself?
19:54 < korrosa> Um, not much if you don't use patches from trac or don't generally tinker around with Navit's source
19:54 < korrosa> Except maybe that with geofabrik you can get exact country extracts, rather than simple bounding boxes from the Navit map extractor.
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20:00 < antenna1> if travel only in one direction you can save a lot of disk space by selecting with the bounding boxes
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20:00 < antenna1> is the patch of ticket #859 related to this and if so, how?
20:01 < korrosa> Indeed you can.
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20:04 < korrosa> antenna1: The patch in #859 makes quite a big change to maptool - it allows maptool to treat certain OSM objects (such as shops etc) as BOTH ways and nodes, instead of just nodes. This helps Navit search for addresses of not only nodes, but also buildings drawn as ways.
20:05 < korrosa> It also enables ways to have a POI icon to be shown on them - such as a car park polygon.
20:06 < korrosa> The POI is drawn on the first node of the polygon.
20:08 < antenna1> alright, cool. So this makes it possible to search for street numbers as well, if the buildings got a number info.
20:08 < korrosa> Correct.
20:09 < antenna1> I still don't get why there are two ways to add a housenumber to a building
20:13 < antenna1> korrosa: did you ever experience navit being unable to build a route?
20:14 < korrosa> antenna1: Two ways to add a housenumber? What do you mean?
20:15 < korrosa> And yes, sometimes a route doesn't build. Mostly because the OSM data is incomplete or unconnected.
20:16 < antenna1> in osm, you can add a number to a polygon and to a single poi, can't you?
20:17 < antenna1> in essence some people use polygons and others pois
20:18 < antenna1> so not all of them are being used by the navit address search
20:18 < antenna1> or am I wrong here
20:20 < korrosa> Correct about OSM. It's because back in the bad old days there was no way of drawing buildings etc accurately, so everything was mapped with a POI, and the POI was addressed.
20:20 < korrosa> Now, however, there is a multitude of aerial imagery available to OSM, so we can trace over buildings and polygons.
20:20 < korrosa> These polygons then get addresses.
20:21 < korrosa> Using patch #859 should enable Navit to recognise BOTH addressed nodes and addressed polygons.
20:23 < Number6> Having Navit read polygons would be sweet
20:30 < korrosa> The dream is at #859
20:32 < antenna1> ubuntu should update its rep version, 3501 is definitely too old!
20:32 < Number6> korrosa: Well, maybe the ability to search sub-POI's. E.g. All fule stations called Topaz
20:32 < Number6> Then again, that's implied from the name :-)
20:35 < korrosa> Ireland has fuel stations under the brand Topaz? Anyway, with #859 you can: try "poi_fuel Topaz" and you're good to go!
20:36 < Number6> korrosa: Yeah, they used to be Statoil
20:37 < korrosa> Actually, I just tried "fuel Asda" and it showed me all Asda fuel stations only (not the supermarkets), so that also works!
20:37 < Number6> \o/
20:39 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi Can someone please tell me how to zoom using the keyboard. Only way I have found to zoom is with the mousewheel, but don't really want to bring the mouse in the car.
20:48 < antenna1> OwenLA7QZ: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD#Keybindings
20:48 < antenna1> check out the xml of the uploaded layouts, they may help you as well!
20:48 < antenna1> did you get your new cursor and follow working?
20:54 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi antenna1. Yes, the cursor and follow are working. Donna is at work and has the car, but looks good on the patio.
20:58 < antenna1> OwenLA7QZ: which cursor did you chose?
21:03 < OwenLA7QZ> Bigger ring for now. The one you linked to.
21:03 < antenna1> that's the arrow
21:04 < OwenLA7QZ> The patio hasn't been moving, so that is probably why I've only seen a fatter ring. :)
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21:06 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Get your patio moving - drink!
21:06 < OwenLA7QZ> (A minus sign on grey background)
21:06 < OwenLA7QZ> Was drinking tea, didn't seem to do much ;)
21:10 < OwenLA7QZ> OK, must have had two buttons on top of each other. Moved the zoom out top right and now it works.
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21:18 < antenna1> bedtime, good n8
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21:52 < tryagain_> woglinde http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/554#comment:7 Will actually test it later.
21:52 < tryagain_> gn
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