--- Log opened Thu Jun 23 00:00:37 2011
00:06 < curious> ok, including those roads helped :)
00:07 < curious> there is still small issue with cycleways alone, but i think it's due to another grouping of few types together
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00:40 < curious> argh
00:40 < curious> speech type espeak...
00:40 < curious> but how to pass command line options to it?
00:40 < antenna1> use a script
00:41 < antenna1> put the directory in the speeechline
00:41 < curious> it's wince :p
00:41 < curious> hmm, perhaps data="" ?
00:41 < antenna1> oh, sorry then
00:42 < curious> ah. data is used when it's cmdline :/
00:43 < curious> with 'espeak' type seems navit dir has no espeak binary @ all, so this seems 'embedded' in navit
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00:56 <@cp15> curious, correct
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01:25 < curious> ok, seems it plainly autodetects cmdline with locale
01:25 < curious> dunno how to pass params like volume
01:25 < curious> peeked into speech source file, but i am already late and not really found anything
01:26 < curious> hm, now i am peeking into gfx source files, checking if bit depth can be changed
01:26 < curious> and i see that dashed lines are not yet implemented... indeed somehow did not noticed it on the map that dashed lines are quite missing
01:28 < curious> hmm, am i right, and navit does not draw into own pixmap buffer?
01:28 < curious> damn, gtg :/ cya
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08:20 < Number6> Morning
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09:01 < ee_ee> hi
09:02 < ee_ee> able to routing with osm maps?
09:02 < Number6> ee_ee: Yes, they need to be converted from XML to a navit format
09:02 < Number6> If you look at maps.navit-project.org , you can download maps we have converted
09:04 < ee_ee> thanks
09:04 < Number6> np
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09:18 < Kissu> Hi. Can anyone help me? :P
09:19 < Kissu> I downloaded navit from market and maps from http://maps5.navit-project.org/ but how can i get maps working in my phone? I tried to add maps to navit-maps folder, but that didn't help.
09:20 < Number6> Kissu: Android?
09:21 < Kissu> yes, galacy ace
09:21 < Kissu> galaxy*
09:21 < Number6> Where did you put the binfile? It should be  /sdcard/navit/navitmap.bin
09:21 < Number6> Although there are reports that there are issues with the Android build.
09:22 < Kissu> it's in sdcard/navit , in same folder with navitmap.tmp
09:22 < Number6> Is it called navitmap.bin?
09:23 < Kissu> no, .tmp
09:23 < Number6> Ok, can you try renaming it, please. If you still have problems, can you download the map to your computer, and copy it across
09:25 < Kissu> hmm. should i create another folder? or the maps files stays in that folder where they are with original file (navitmap.tmp).
09:26 < Kissu> i downloaded to files in my computer and moved them to sd card - Estonia and Finland and they are .bin files. If I tried to download the maps with my phone, it downloaded but after there didn't have any change or map in my phone.
09:26 < Number6> Same folder, the map should be in /sdcard/navit
09:28 < Kissu> ok. it's bin now and i don't do anything more? let other maps also be in the same folder? They have weird maps names but that shouldn't change anything? like: osm_bbox_21.5,57.5,28.2,59.6
09:28 < Number6> Call the one for your country navitmap.bin :-)
09:29 < Kissu> hmm. but what i do then with navitmap.tmp which i renamed to .bin file :D
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09:33 < Kissu> still, if i started the navit t has the same white background :(
09:34 < Number6> Oh dear. Maybe the Anroid port is properly broken
09:34 < Number6> I don't have an Android phone, so I can't test this for you, I'm afraid
09:36 < Kissu> heh :D i got it to work with Estonia :D deleted the original file and Estonia was navitmap.bin. But what should i do with finland, what should be it renamed :P
09:36 < Number6> My understanding is that navit can only have one binfile on android (by default). Unless you edit the XML file
09:37 < Number6> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android  <-- This link will tell you where to find hte XML file
09:37 < Number6> *the
09:37 < Kissu> but there is that add a second map, then it should be possible somehow to add it :D
09:40 < Kissu> hmm. is this possible, if i need finland i rename estonia with some another name and rename finald to navitmap.bin and then i should be able to use finland? :D
09:45 < Number6> Exactly. there is probably a better way to do it, but I'm not too sure
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10:23 < xbyte> Hi all
10:24 < Number6> Hi xbyte
10:25 < Number6> woglinde: I got the cross compiler to work, finally
10:27 < antenna1> Number6: is it possible to process two bz2 files to one binfile with maptool? I tried "bzcat map1.bz2 map2.bz2 | maptool --dedupe-ways map3.bin", but it seems like it didn't work
10:29 < xbyte> I'm now outdoors with the gps receiver...
10:29 < woglinde> number6 hehe
10:29 < Number6> antenna1: I'll try now
10:30 < Number6> woglinde: The reason, missing libraries. A fresh install of openSUSE 11.4 doesn't include the outdated libraries!
10:31 < xbyte> It works!!
10:31 < woglinde> xbyte why not?
10:31 < xbyte> My GPS, finally works!
10:31 < woglinde> yes
10:31 < woglinde> and I asked why it should not work?
10:32 < xbyte> Because yesterday night... wasn't working
10:32 < woglinde> yes because you where indoors
10:32 < woglinde> I hope you believe us now
10:33 < xbyte> yup
10:33 < xbyte> i do
10:33 < xbyte> But navit crashes
10:33 < Number6> antenna1: This may take some time :-)
10:36 < antenna1> Number6: I guess so, thanks for testing!
10:36 < antenna1> xbyte in what situation does it crash?
10:36 < Number6> I'm just going to do UK and Ireland, as they're fairly small
10:37 < woglinde> xbyte has the newer gpsd too
10:37 < woglinde> because he is using 11.04
10:38 < antenna1> woglinde:  are there any problems with natty's gpsd version?
10:38 < xbyte> I don't know but here are some lines : http://pastebin.com/a59WnNr9
10:39 < xbyte> that is when running it as root
10:39 < woglinde> root?
10:39 < woglinde> dont run stuff as root
10:40 < xbyte>  without running it as root : http://pastebin.com/VJ2LBCCm
10:42 < woglinde> :no leading $ in '230611,,,A*75'
10:42 < woglinde> looks your gpsd not always tranfers correct NMEA
10:42 < woglinde> ups gps device
10:42 < woglinde> I mean
10:44 < xbyte> I'm now compiling SVN build 4536
10:50 < Number6> antenna1: It works, but the maps generated are... odd
10:50 < antenna1> odd? all I got were several files, none named like the bin file I expected
10:51 < Number6> They're all sliced up into strange looking chunks. I think it's the --dedupe-ways
10:52 < Number6> did you get a lot of country_xx files and a few .tmp files? That's normal, the maptool probably crashed while generating. Remove the files and try again.
10:52 < Number6> How big are teh input files?
10:52 < xbyte> crashing...
10:52 < antenna1> so I need to unpack the bz2 files and then process them
10:52 < antenna1> Number6: that's exactly what i got
10:53 < Number6> antenna1: No, you can run bzcat ireland.osm.bz germany.bz2 | ./maptool mymap.bin
10:53 < antenna1> too big I guess, 1.4gigs and 130mb
10:55 < antenna1> and there is not going to be some map interference without dedupe?
10:55 < Number6> Hmm, it may be a memory issue. How much RAM do you have?
10:55 < antenna1> 4gb
10:55 < Number6> I'm going to try running maptool without de-dupe
10:55 < antenna1> 500mb are being used by the gc
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11:01 < xbyte> Navit says the GPS position is 0º0'00"
11:01 < xbyte> And I'm in 42ºsomething'something" 2ºsomething'something"
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11:29 < antenna1> Number6: did you process with success?
11:30 < Number6> antenna1: Not really, I'm still getting strange slices. I'm gonna see if it's the data that's bad
11:30 < antenna1> I unpacked the files now, should I use dedupe or not
11:31 < Number6> Are the area's close to each other? As in, is their a border?
11:31 < antenna1> yes, there is a border, germany-denmark
11:32 < Number6> Then I'd say use --dedupe-ways
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11:58 < xbyte> Hi all
11:59 < xbyte> All problems solved.
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12:03 < woglinde> xbyte?
12:04 < xbyte> yup
12:04 < xbyte> I registered the nick
12:05 < woglinde> hm I thought your gps
12:08 < xbyte> The GPS was fine.
12:08 < xbyte> Navit was not.
12:08 < xbyte> Compiling it from svn results in : Vehicle position : 0º 0' 00" N 0º 0' 00"
12:10 < woglinde> are you sure you have the vehicle_gpsd modul compiled?
12:16 < antenna1> is tryagain's patch of ticket#859 already in svn?
12:16 < xbyte> woglinde ; "Fatal error : config.h  does not exist" (translation from spanish)
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12:24 < xbyte> where can I get the config.h file for navit?
12:24 < xbyte> It's required for vehicle_file and vehicle_gps
12:24 < xbyte> d
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12:29 < woglinde> config.h is generated by configure
12:30 < woglinde> from confih.h.in
12:30 < xbyte> where is it
12:30 < xbyte> don't answer to that, i found it
12:32 < xbyte> how can I compile it, make does nothing and gcc fails because of config.h (and I have it in the navit/vehicle/gpsd folder)
12:32 < xbyte> ?
12:33 < woglinde> ?
12:33 < woglinde> you made something wrong
12:33 < woglinde> works for us
12:33 < xbyte> I forget the interrogation on last message
12:34 < xbyte> what i've done wrong, i don't know what.
12:34 < woglinde> make distclean
12:34 < woglinde> and run configure again
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12:48 < xbyte> woglinde : result : crash
12:49 < xbyte> It crashes when using vehicle_gpsd and it vehicle_file doesn't work
12:52 < woglinde> hm
12:52 < woglinde> I am working on it
12:52 < woglinde> if getting attrs werent that shitty
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13:00 < woglinde> cp15 ping
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13:40 < woglinde> xbyte still there?
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13:56 < xbyte> yup
13:56 < woglinde> xbyte do you need logging?
13:57 < xbyte> nope
13:57 < xbyte> I only use navit for navigation
13:57 < woglinde> is it enabled in your navit.xml?
13:57 < xbyte> no
13:57 < woglinde> hm
13:57 < woglinde> try to edit navit/navit/vehicle/gpsd/vehicle_gpsd.c
13:58 < woglinde> line 224
13:58 < woglinde> try to remove the WATCH_NMEA
13:58 < woglinde> and of course one |
13:59 < xbyte> done
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14:39 < antenna1> cp15 edit preview does not work!
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15:40 < antenna1> I got following error message when processing two maps to one with maptool:
15:40 < antenna1> way id 95639937
15:40 < antenna1> maptool:osm_end_way:osm.c:1553 assertion failed:count < 10
15:41 < antenna1> what does it mean?
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15:44 < Number6> usually out of memory
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16:13 < antenna1> Number6: lol, how many gigabyte do you need to compile your own map?
16:14 < Number6> antenna1: Ireland si rather small, so the standard 1GB si fine for me
16:15 < Number6> You can run maptool with the -S flag, and let it know the max amount of ram to use in bytes
16:15 < Number6> When I was computing the planet, i used 6GB
16:15 < antenna1> ok thanks, I will try
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17:17 < Ziaou> Hi
17:18 < Ziaou> I would like to know, how I can apply a patch like this one "http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/859/poi_filter_with_address_search4.diff"
17:19 < Ziaou> what is the command line to ?
17:19 < woglinde> man patch
17:19 < Number6> cd /home/username/where/navit/is
17:19 < woglinde> patch -p X --dry-run < foo.patch
17:19 < woglinde> first
17:19 < Ziaou> patch can consider patches in html ?
17:19 < Number6> patch -p0 < patch.diff
17:19 < Ziaou> great
17:19 < woglinde> where X is the directory level
17:20 < Ziaou> ok thanks :)
17:21 < Ziaou> I usually use patch for git format, I never used with this kind
17:21 < woglinde> till later
17:21 < woglinde> guess what git am is using
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17:21 < woglinde> internally
17:24 < Number6> Branching and merging never work right in Git - you'll always end up having to refactor (same as SVN)
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17:37 < Ziaou> when I try to apply the patch, the result is :
17:37 < Ziaou> ls $partage/patches/*.patch > /tmp
17:37 < Ziaou> patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
17:37 < Ziaou> sorry bad Copy/paste for ls
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17:41 < Number6> Can we get the pwd and the command run, please
17:42 < Ziaou> avit@navit-devel-ub-20110120:~/_navit_develop/work/navit_repo/navit$ patch -p0 < /mnt/partage/patches/poi_filter_with_address_search4.diff
17:42 < Ziaou> patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
17:43 < Ziaou> perhaps I'm not in the right place
17:43 < Number6> Ok. Can you wget http://trac.navit-project.org/raw-attachment/ticket/859/poi_filter_with_address_search4.diff and try patching using that file instead, please
17:44 < Ziaou> ok, it works
17:44 < Ziaou> thanks
17:45 < Ziaou> it seems to be a file corruption
17:45 < Number6> It's really common, you downloaded the HTML accidently. I've done it a lot myself
17:45 < Ziaou> :)
17:47 < Number6> That POI search functionality is fantastic. This is my favorite patch
17:47 < Ziaou> I hope so
17:48 < Ziaou> I really need it because in france, many POIs are defined on building since massive building importation
17:49 < Number6> Same in Ireland. They started out with points, but now they're mapping the buildings and defining the building as a POI
17:50 < Number6> /o/
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18:33 < korrosa> antenna get your arse in here!
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18:34 < korrosa> Ah!
18:35 < korrosa> antenna1: Saw your tunnel extrapolation stuff - interesting.
18:35 < antenna1> yup, cp gave me that patch yesterday
18:36 < korrosa> Can you confirm that the patch is correct? I only ask cos all the other ones around it have a level=5 line, whilst this doesn't.
18:36 < antenna1> I didn't know about the lag attribut either
18:36 < antenna1> wait
18:39 < antenna1> yes, that's should be ok
18:39 < antenna1> that
18:40 < korrosa> OK cool.
18:40 < korrosa> Even more exciting: the "lag" attribute!
18:40 < korrosa> Have you tested that one?
18:41 < antenna1> nope, heared about it yesterday and haven't been driving since then
18:41 < antenna1> hope this is going to fix what i called a lag
18:42 < antenna1> self processed maps are great! Finally, all the osm pois are shown, but I have serious problems getting that denmark-germany map
18:43 < antenna1> it fails at progress1 all the time
18:43 < korrosa> Have you tried extracting that bounding box from OSM's xapi servers, and just process that one file?
18:44 < korrosa> (Warning: xapi is usually a pile of shit).
18:44 < antenna1> I read somewhere that this ain't for huge maps and as I tried I only got 3.5 mb
18:44 < antenna1> so indeed it's a pile of shit
18:45 < antenna1> only change is to cut planet.bin in smaller pieces
18:45 < antenna1> chance
18:46 < korrosa> Or perhaps geofabrik has a Europe extract you can use, instead of planet?
18:47 < korrosa> ...just off to eat, bbl...
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19:13 < Number6> Geofabrik have a europe.osm.bz2, I use it the odd time
19:13 < Number6> You can always have navit use BOTH maps at the same time in navit.xml
19:17 < korrosa> Actually, yeah, antenna1, not sure why I didn't think of that ^. Definitely just process each on separately and add them both to the active mapset!
19:18 < antenna1> I'm already on it, after it didn't work with 4 gb ram
19:18 < antenna1> denmark was superfast!
19:19 < antenna1> and the map of germany has entered progress2, whoo!
19:20 < Number6> Germany took me about 45 minutes
19:20 < antenna1> what's your system?
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19:31 < antenna1> alright, all done
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19:49 < Number6> I used to have a server, but not anymore
19:51 < Number6> I miss that server, the motd was Zoidbergs face
20:02 < davem> Number6: shouldve set it to micheles face when you gave it to him
20:02 < Number6> Nah, donnegan would just wipe it
20:02 < Number6> Which he still hasn't :-)
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20:08 < Number6> http://imgur.com/gallery/wX6P4
20:15 < Number6> Ok, this is something I've been meaing to do for a while.
20:16 < Number6> I want a fake car to travel the route between two positions (Set as position and Set as destination)
20:32 < korrosa> antenna1: Going on Eurotunnel tomorrow - that'll be a great stress test for the extrapolation patch...!!
20:33 < korrosa> Number6: And it's working?
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20:43 <@cp15_> I will update the wiki now... Expect some glitches
20:44 < antenna1> korrosa: tell me, how it worked!
20:44 < korrosa> Lol! I'm pretty sure I will loose signal when I drive on the train, so as long as it's in the right direction along the track I should be OK!
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20:50 < antenna1> you can check whether 12 is the best value for it
20:50 <@cp15_> Ok, wiki updated
20:51 < korrosa> Oh my, my entire map is underwater!!
20:52 <@cp15_> You better buy a boat :-)
20:52 <@cp15_> Most likely someone has turned a lake the wrong way around, so the water is now outside instead of inside
20:53 < korrosa> <itemgra item_types="poly_water_tiled" order="0-">
20:53 < korrosa> Disable that and all's fine.
20:54 < korrosa> Certainly not a wrong-way-round lake, as the underwater sections are straight up rectangles.
20:54 < korrosa> I just won't know if I drive into the sea now...!!
20:57 <@cp15_> korrosa, do you have a good connection to mediawiki?
20:57 < korrosa> As in download rate, or personal connections?
20:58 <@cp15_> Well, I have found some bugs while upgrading the wiki, and I have a feature request. Do you want to submit and track them?
20:59 < korrosa> Don't have an account there, but I can do. Won't it be more efficient for you to submit them yourself?
21:00 <@cp15_> Hmm... I am lazy... So I will just write my findings there
21:00 <@cp15_> Mediawiki 1.17.0
21:01 <@cp15_> includes/db/Database.php Line 526:
21:01 <@cp15_> if ( $server ) {
21:01 <@cp15_> this check is wrong, since it is legal in Postgres to have an empty server (it will use unix sockets then)
21:01 <@cp15_> Better check would be:
21:01 <@cp15_> if ( $server !== false) {
21:02 <@cp15_> includes/installer/PostgresUpdater.php Lines 25 and 26
21:03 < Number6> Hmm, perhaps the long day made me stupid. That or I'm still getting the stupid out of me
21:03 <@cp15_> Sequences logging_log_id_seq and page_restrictions_pr_id_seq are created here, but later old sequences are renamed to this name, making the database update fail
21:04 <@cp15_> Feature Request: When wgReadOnly is set, there should be no write accesses to the database
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21:31 < Number6> If I want the street_name or the street_name_systematic (with the name having priority), can I use the following in the XML?
21:32 < Number6> label="${navigation.item.street_name||street_name_systematic}"
21:32 < Number6> Or do I need to five full scope to the function?
21:37 < Number6> *give
21:37 <@cp15_> Try navigation.item.label
21:39 < Number6> Nope, all blank
21:40 < woglinde> hm wiki works again?
21:40 <@cp15_> Yes
21:40 < Number6> Basically, I want the OSD to display the street_name if available. If not, show street_name_systematic
21:40 < woglinde> thanks cp15
21:42 < woglinde> hm 24h on nuerburgring
21:48 < korrosa> Number6: No, not possible. There's a ticket about that.
21:49 < korrosa> Number6: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/519
21:49 < Number6> Crap. That would be a handy feature
21:49 < korrosa> Number6: Code one!
21:50 < korrosa> (Dandor said it would be very easy to do. Challenge!)
21:50 < Number6> No commits until I get the letter from work
21:50 < Number6> Well, apart from that one time
21:51 <@cp15_> Ok, I found out why label doesn't work
21:51 <@cp15_> Do you want to give a patch a test?
21:52 < korrosa> I will, if you riddle me this: will tunnel extrapolation work in the Eurotunnel (it's a railway track, not a road)?
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21:53 < antenna1> korrosa: if it's flagged as a tunnel. Which label?
21:54 <@cp15_> If it has a tunnel tag and you have gps reception before entering the tunnel yes
21:54 < korrosa> Of course, silly me - I was getting confused with routing, which it won't do on the railway track.
21:54 < Number6> Unless we make a train vehicle
21:55 < antenna1> most train windows are vaporized anyway, you won't get a signal
21:55 < korrosa> Channel Tunnel: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22586981
21:56 < korrosa> Yeah, and the walls are so thick (with layers of metal) it's hard to get a signal unless I stand right by the window.
21:56 < korrosa> I've managed to get it to work on a plane before!
21:56 < Number6> I have the image of you with your head out the window
21:57 < korrosa> Tongue out, hair in the breeze.
21:57 <@cp15_> They even tagged the voltage and frequency... So you can bring a transformer with you
21:59 <@cp15_> But I guess a tag specifying that it is routeable by cars is missing
21:59 < korrosa> Would a rail vehicle require a change to the flag masks?
21:59 <@cp15_> Rail navigation is not supported :-)
22:02 < korrosa> Booo.
22:02 <@cp15_> "Turn left on the next switchblade" also woundn't make much sense
22:02 < Number6> To us :-)
22:02 < korrosa> True, but ETA and distance to go would be useful.
22:02 < korrosa> Anything to stop me having to speak to other passengers.
22:03 < Number6> korrosa: You, obviously, don't take the train every day to work!
22:03 < korrosa> Very true! Used to, for college, but now I cycle. Much easier for my stress levels!
22:05 < drlizau> I got my gps to record on a massive train trip - but it needed good positioning to keep a reasonable signal quality
22:05 < korrosa> Get a sucker and stick it to the window!
22:05 < antenna1> good n8 all
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22:06 < korrosa> Failing that, come to the UK, get on one of the old 60's British Rail trains and push down the window. Hang out. Done.
22:09 < Number6> 60's... That's the 80's in Ireland :P
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22:17 < Number6> cp15_: I finally figured out the cross compiler issue.
22:17 < Number6> If you do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.4, you need to include two packages from 11.3 that have libraries
22:18 <@cp15_> What?
22:18 < Number6> cegcc, for cross compiling to winCE
22:19 <@cp15_> Ah... I guess I made a symlink there
22:19 < Number6> Don't! You'll get memory issues
22:19 < Number6> I tried that also
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22:55 < Number6> Does anyone have any complaints about ticket 859? (The POI Search one)
22:58 < korrosa> Not me. Are you planning another sneaky commit? The only thing I'd say: perhaps a better icon than the bulb is required, but I can't think of one myself which is available by default. It needs some sort of filter icon.
22:59 < Number6> I'd prefer not to commit. My manager doesn't mind me working with Navit (nor does his boss, or his bosses boss). It's just to make sure the HR droids and the even higher ups don't screw me over
23:00 < Number6> Although wtf are they going to do with a commit :-)
23:00 < Number6> But yeah, the icon is a bit annoying
23:02 < Number6> gui_display, maybe?
23:09 <@cp15_> We need an icon designer
23:14 < korrosa> Perhaps one of the zoom in or out icons, without the + or - ?
23:15 < Number6> korrosa: Done
23:15 < korrosa> Basically, a magnifying glass.
23:15 < Number6> http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/859/gui_search.svg
23:15 < korrosa> Lol! Great minds!
23:17 < korrosa> cp15_, Have you seen the patch at #859?
23:18 <@cp15_> Yes, I don't like the maptool part, and still have to test the rest
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23:19 < Number6> Oh? What do you not like about the maptool part?
23:19 <@cp15_> It creates POIs consisting of ways
23:20 <@cp15_> Instead it should calculate the center of the area and add this as point
23:22 < korrosa> :)
23:22 < korrosa> May I suggest: http://bob.cakebox.net/poly-center.php
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23:30 <@cp15_> Interesting, but with two atan2 per vertex quite expensive
23:32 < korrosa> Use an approximation to speed things up: http://lists.apple.com/archives/perfoptimization-dev/2005/Jan/msg00051.html
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23:35 < korrosa> Or force Number6 to share his server power...!!
23:35 < Number6> GPGPU could do that easily
23:36 <@cp15_> Yeah, someone could rewrite maptool in OpenCL
23:36 < Number6> I think 143TB of formatted storage would do us for a long long time :-)
23:37 < Number6> You get better speeds with CUDA on dedicated GPGPU
23:37 < Number6> Well, depending on the problem
23:38 < korrosa> Time for bed! Night night!
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