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08:52 <@Horwitz> morgen
09:11 < kenguest> moin
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10:48 < Peter_> morning everyone... just a very quick question then I can get out your hair... we're looking to use Navit for a government solution in South Africa - it's a touch 3rd world here and so money and resources in to emergency services is tight and not considered a high priority
10:49 < woglinde> where is the question?
10:49 < Peter_> so desite the fact we'd put money in to the project, we're after a minimum hardware spec for the program... could we run it on a 64MB touchscreen or ultimate should we be much more powerful
10:49 < woglinde> 64 mb should be enough
10:50 < Peter_> it's a tough one for me as I'm trying to source the cheapest reliable parts and there a definite price jump between 64MB and 256MB tablets
10:50 < woglinde> but you have to test it
10:50 < Peter_> awesome - we'll be buying a range but wanted to know if I should discount them
10:50 < woglinde> its working on the openmoko freerunner
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10:50 < Peter_> yeah - saw that and assumed it'd be worth an ask
10:50 < woglinde> hm that has 128
10:51 < woglinde> btw. what tablet?
10:51 < Peter_> ok! thanks guys and you'll very likely hear a lot more from us over the coming months as we start solidifying all this
10:51 < woglinde> x86 or arm?
10:51 < Peter_> we're looking at everythign from the Chinese imports and up
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10:51 < woglinde> hm
10:53 < Peter_> sorry - just checking the sample doc sent to me... this is an 800Mhz x86
10:53 < woglinde> what os you are planning to run it on?
10:54 < Peter_> been researching both Andriod and Ubuntu/Linux optoins
10:54 < Peter_> essentially I'm just doing hte background on this and we're going to buy a load and sit a few people down to work out the best option/setup
10:54 < woglinde> for android you may forget that it run with 64 mb
10:54 < Peter_> as we also need to account for up to 80degrees celcius in temp
10:55 < woglinde> 80 degress?
10:55 < Peter_> oh? literature says 32MB for android.. that rubbish?
10:56 < woglinde> uh?
10:56 < Peter_> yeah - going to be be in ambulances/police etc. so the temp in the sun in certain parts of the country gets quite hot if the vehicle is left out
10:56 < woglinde> yes
10:56 < woglinde> so x86 is maybee a showstopper
10:57 < Peter_> yeah - although I'm playing with 'shading' alternative to drop the temp issues
10:58 < woglinde> hm you can read german?
10:59 < woglinde> if yes you could read here what my company made with navit
10:59 < woglinde> http://www.scribd.com/doc/54592369/Mit-Tux-auf-Streife-pdf
10:59 < Peter_> I'm from the UK so can get by a little - just here to help the country implement a solution that works... thanks! will give it a read
11:00 < Peter_> yeah - this could be awesome if we could get this up and working. The locals here are more interested in stealing and charging crazy prices fo rthe most basic things
11:01 < Peter_> quite funny - it's like going back to the 1990s
11:02 < Peter_> tech is so far behind and knowledge is limited
11:02 < woglinde> hm hehe
11:02 < woglinde> I read they stole the gsm-boxes out of the traffic lights
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11:03 < Peter_> only becausee they hadn't set up an APN to stop external use... people used them for personal calls! :D
11:04 < Peter_> and yeah - they opted for a solution that cost x100 of a simple EoP to install the GSM network in only 600 traffic lights as the company was a relation of the mayor
11:05 < Peter_> that's what we're here to do basically - create infrastruture solutions cheaply so that they can be sold to the brothers/cousins and friends of the governement - then they take their cut on top
11:06 < Peter_> but at least the country is working, rather than falling apart as it is now
11:06 < Peter_> it's great actually - we all know that there's corruption in Europe but it's so hidden... here they are very open about it and don't care
11:06 < Peter_> it's kind of refreshing
11:07 < woglinde> I wonder how many losses the soccer world championchip caused
11:07 < woglinde> fifa is so corrupted
11:07 < Peter_> well I know that FIFA walked away with 1.7% of the country GDP, yet the entire country only made 1.5%
11:08 < Peter_> lots of people got screwed over by FIFA and their cronies
11:09 < Peter_> mind you - I'm in the minority still and resufed to watch or support football for a while now... it's too crazy for what it is
11:09 < Peter_> refused*
11:09 < Peter_> most English agree with the money in the game
11:10 < woglinde> hm I watched it
11:11 < woglinde> but I know how corrupted they are
11:11 < Peter_> yeah - we went to all the fan parks that were free and just spent money with the locals
11:11 < Peter_> although you weren't allowed to bring beer that wasn't from the sponsoring compaies!
11:11 < Peter_> companies*
11:13 < woglinde> even in the fan park?
11:13 < Peter_> anyway, I'd better get back to it... thanks for the help and I expect you'll start hearing more from us as I'm very keen to bring open source to South Africa... there's so much more than can be done
11:13 < Peter_> and yeah - even in the fan park
11:13 < Peter_> they would confiscate it and
11:14 < Peter_> throw it away
11:14 < woglinde> you got even problems when you wear some shirts of diffrent beer companes in the stadium
11:14 < Peter_> it was an advertising nightmare
11:14 < woglinde> peter_ yes there could be much done
11:14 < Peter_> yup... FIFA were a nightmare with their rules
11:15 < woglinde> but the people need to change there mind their
11:15 < Peter_> thanks loads and speak soon!
11:15 < woglinde> and thats the biggest problem
11:15 < Peter_> 100%
11:16 < Peter_> great article btw
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11:19 < woglinde> yes but we running with java and needing 512 mb ram
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13:37 < Number6> woglinde: That article that you linked to, is there an english version of how to setup the carputer?
13:38 < woglinde> ?
13:39 < woglinde> the soft is gpl
13:39 < woglinde> but not public
13:39 < woglinde> ;)
13:39 < Number6> Ah. What about the hardware?
13:39 < woglinde> hm?
13:39 < woglinde> atom
13:40 < woglinde> and the case and the displayunit arent cheap
13:40 < Number6> :(
13:50 < tryagain> Trying to get closed way centroid in maptool and create a new node. To do it i need to dereference nodeid to its coordinates. What if I call node_item_get from within osm_end_way? All nodes seem to be already loaded when processing of ways begin, at least for xml and pgsql sources...
14:02 <@cp15> tryagain, the nodes has been processed, but the node table is too large to keep it in memory, so the nodes will be resolved in several steps (depending on the set slice size)
14:09 <@cp15> I think the easiest way right now to do this is to write the ways which should represent POIs into a separate file, and calculate the center and replace the coordinates with it in a special step
14:11 < tryagain> hm..... Sounds good. Will look if I can do it...
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16:22 < CIA-85> martin-s * r4541 /trunk/navit/navit/support/espeak/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:Build:Correct source for installation files
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21:30 < Number6> Tingle!
21:30 < CIA-85> geoghegan * r4542 /trunk/navit/navit/cache.h: Fix:Core: Adds in forgotten prototype for cache_flush_data
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21:33 < woglinde> he number6
21:33 < Number6> Hey
21:36 < Number6> Tingle!
21:36 < CIA-85> geoghegan * r4543 /trunk/navit/navit/file.h: Fix:Core: Adds in forgotten prototype for file_data_remove in file.h
21:38 < woglinde> hehe
21:38 < woglinde> gogo
21:44 < CIA-85> martin-s * r4544 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:Build:Put navit in bin directory for better cpack compatibility
21:51 < woglinde> cpack?
21:51 < Number6> Tingle!
21:52 < CIA-85> geoghegan * r4545 /trunk/navit/navit/attr.c: Fix:Core:Corrects attr->u.num to be of type long int intstead of int
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21:57 < korrosa> Looks like someone got the all clear!!
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22:00 < Number6> My manager doesn't mind, provided I write up a letter for him to sign
22:00 < Number6> I've to write up the letter :-)
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22:03 < Number6> cp15: Is there any reason, in attr.c, that you use return g_strdup_printf("0x%x[%s]",attr->u.num,item_to_name(attr->u.num));
22:03 < Number6> It's from http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=3719
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22:12 <@cp15> Revert r4545, it will break navit on 64 bit
22:12 <@cp15> Ok, forget it
22:13 <@cp15> Thought you have changed it in attr.h
22:13 < woglinde> good nite
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22:13 <@cp15> Number6, what should I have used instead?
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22:14 < Number6> Wouldn't a cast have been better? Although I may be mixing my languages again
22:15 <@cp15> Cast to what?
22:16 < Number6> hex. I think I'm mixing my languages
22:17 <@cp15> No cast to hex in C
22:17 < Number6> Yeah, that's what I taught.
22:17 < Number6> *Thought
22:34 < korrosa> Got delivery of my Oregon 450 this weekend - so far I'm so impressed with it. Even interfaces with gpsd to I can still use Navit!
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22:38 < Number6> Expensive device
22:39 < korrosa> It is, I admit. Bought it in the States though, which made it much cheaper than here in Europe!
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22:41 < Number6> So many compile warnings :-(
22:43 < korrosa> If antenna reads logs: tried lag="15" this weekend - seems to work really well for my setup. When zoomed in really close it does look like you're trying to drive off the outside of bends, but really that's no problem!!
22:43 < korrosa> And there's no gps reception inside Le Shuttle, unfortunately!
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