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05:29 < rigel> oh. i see why more people dont use navit. it's FUCKING HUGE.
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07:12 < chollya> Ho
07:12 < chollya> Hi
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08:08 < chollya> cp15: ping?
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08:12 <@cp15> chollya, pong
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08:13 < chollya> cp15: What do you think about splitting graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp into several files?
08:14 <@cp15> How many lines does it have?
08:15 < chollya> 1423
08:16 <@cp15> Making the RenderArea class a separate file probably makes sense
08:16 <@cp15> Anything else you would like to split?
08:17 < chollya> Not this time :)
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08:31 < noradtux_tp> hi
08:31 < noradtux_tp> just tried navit on the HP touchpad
08:32 < noradtux_tp> seems to work, except that the wifi-only version lacks gps
08:33 <@cp15> noradtux_tp, great, I also already have thought about a port
08:33 <@cp15> Does the webos port need any modifications?
08:34 < noradtux_tp> cp15: only those that are already in place
08:34 < noradtux_tp> cp15: the layout needs to be adjusted for the larger screen
08:35 < noradtux_tp> cp15: it would be good if we could handle screen rotation in graphics_sdl
08:36 <@cp15> Is it different from a change of the render area size?
08:37 < noradtux_tp> what do you mean with render area size?
08:38 <@cp15> Well, suppose your sdl window size is 1024x640 in landscape mode
08:38 <@cp15> If you switch to portrait mode is it then 640x1024 or is it still 1024x640 and the user has to swap x and y?
08:42 < noradtux_tp> I have not checked that far. on the palm pre the screen automatically rotates depending on the requested resolution.
08:43 < noradtux_tp> ok, I just checked. the screen does rotate, but into the wrong direction ... well, that's fixable
08:44 < noradtux_tp> hape: are you reading this?
08:44 < noradtux_tp> btw, such a tablet is great for IRC :-D
08:46 <@cp15> Do you have one with gps?
08:46 < noradtux_tp> nope
08:47 < noradtux_tp> but maybe we can figure out a way to use the gps of the phone
08:47 <@cp15> Not much fun using navit on it then
08:47 <@cp15> Over bluetooth?
08:47 < noradtux_tp> like implementing gpsd on the webos location services
08:47 < noradtux_tp> or wifi
08:48 < noradtux_tp> would be easy to do gpsd then
08:49 <@cp15> A fake gpsd which just converts the location services to gpsd json should be sufficient and easy to write
08:50 <@cp15> Maybe we should also do an own gpsd client implementation which saves us from their frequent api and abi changes
08:50 < noradtux_tp> gpsd uses json? sounds doable, it can be done in C or on node.js. node.js is the official way of doing background services on webos
08:51 <@cp15> With the new version yes
08:54 < noradtux_tp> nice, added to my todo list
08:55 <@Horwitz> morgen
08:55 < noradtux_tp> moin moin
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09:14 < Number6> Morning
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09:17 < kenguest> noradtux_tp: try a bluetooth gps device - or am I not understanding the problem?
09:18 < noradtux_tp> afaik webos 3 does not support bt-gps devices
09:18 < noradtux_tp> at leasr not yet ;-)
09:19 < noradtux_tp> let's say it feels a bit unfinished
09:21 < kenguest> wah!
09:21 < kenguest> that's less that desirable
09:24 < noradtux_tp> but the homebrew community is already hacking around to make the full potential usable ;-)
09:24 < woglinde> hi noradtux
09:24 < noradtux_tp> hi woglinde
09:25 < woglinde> all still working on the pre's and pixis?
09:28 < noradtux_tp> yep
09:28 < noradtux_tp> well, pixi never really worked ...
09:28 < noradtux_tp> but the
09:28 < woglinde> uh why?
09:28 < noradtux_tp> but afaik the veer does
09:29 < noradtux_tp> pixi does not redraw. sounds like an Os bug
09:29 < noradtux_tp> never had the opportunity to debug that
09:29 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4597 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/ (6 files): Fix:graphics/qt_qpainter:Splitted render class and graphics interface implementation
09:30 < woglinde> ah okay
09:30 < woglinde> akashi gogo
09:30 < chollya> huh?
09:31 < woglinde> *g*
09:31 < woglinde> only fun
09:31 < noradtux_tp> hmm, that's something I should do to graphics_sdl well ...
09:32 < noradtux_tp> s/well/aswell/
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09:34 < woglinde> chollya hm you would be nice if you can add the license to each file
09:35 < chollya> Sure, i'm not finished it yet :)
09:36 < woglinde> ah okay
09:36 < woglinde> and I saw #include "navit/../config.h"
09:36 < woglinde> please use "config.h"
09:36 < woglinde> we alread use -I topdir
09:37 < woglinde> and nice you find some time to work on navit again
09:40 < chollya> yeah, navit../config.h was an older error
10:01 < chollya> cp15: ping?
10:02 <@cp15> pong
10:04 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4598 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/ (4 files): Fix:graphics/qt_qpainter:Implemented proper handling for close event
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10:04 < chollya> may i ask you to build the latest commit with your older Qt?
10:05 <@cp15> I will do that later
10:05 < chollya> it could possibly break  a qt3/qpe compatibility, so it needs a check
10:12 < tryagain> hm What POIs should be genereated for building which tagged in OSM with amenity=restaurant,cuisine=fine_dining,amenity=pub? Currently we have three types of icons to apply there: poi_pub, poi_restaurant, poi_dining.
10:13 < tryagain> only poi_diinig will be displayed now. Dow we want all three types?
10:13 < woglinde> tryagain wasnt there a patch from themroc?
10:14 < tryagain> hm where? Is it applied?
10:14 <@cp15> tryagain, theoretically three POIs should be generated, but they probably overlap
10:15 < Number6> So, on my workstation, maptool computes in 2 hours :-)
10:15 < woglinde> tryagain not applied but maybee in trac
10:15 < woglinde> number6 nice
10:15 < tryagain> woglinde will look for it
10:15 < woglinde> but maybee I am wrong
10:15 < woglinde> but for church stuff he made a patch for sure
10:15 < woglinde> we should integrate
10:16 <@cp15> tryagain, I have fixed and improved a few things in maptool and are currently running maptool to create a way2poi enabled planet
10:16 < tryagain> cp15 if we could find them with search it's better than nothing even if them overlap. I'll try to make longest match switchable
10:16 < Number6> woglinde: The Flying Spagetti Monster patch?
10:17 <@cp15> If there are multiple matches with the same length, it should generate multiple objects
10:18 < woglinde> no
10:18 < tryagain> dining is longer than others
10:18 <@cp15> Ah, ok... Thats bad... Hmm.... have to think about it
10:19 < tryagain> after that something can be done with overlapping. I could slightly move icons in maptool when them are generated from POIs. Or it can be resolved at render time.
10:19 <@cp15> And it shouldn't make a poi_restaurant and poi_dining at same time, since they are redundant
10:19 < tryagain> *from ways
10:19 <@cp15> Of course poi_dining includes poi_restaurant
10:20 <@cp15> I would prefer render time. The map should contain the icons where they actually are
10:20 <@cp15> Maybe we should make groups to the longest match list
10:21 <@cp15> From every group the longest match will be taken
10:21 < tryagain> Also at render time we could take into account POIS which come even from different maps
10:21 <@cp15> But I don't know how to implement this to be fast
10:22 <@cp15> Hmm... Is it allowed to have multiple cuisine= tags?
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10:22 < tryagain> Can we check beginning of match string to find group (amenity=restaurant in this case)
10:23 <@cp15> cuisine=fine_dining and cuisine=italian for example?
10:23 < tryagain> I think yes
10:23 <@cp15> Sounds like a nice idea
10:23 <@cp15> Ok, then we need multiple longest matches in each group
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10:25 < tryagain> But I think it's better to have all icons including poi_restaurant. Then we can search with word "restaurant". With longest match - no success. Unless we rename poi_dining to poi_restaurant_dining
10:26 < tryagain> .. or implement some meas to name POI types besides their C typenames
10:26 < tryagain> latter can be i18zed
10:26 < tryagain> *means
10:27 <@cp15> Well, in the long term I was thinking about making a hierarchy of item types
10:28 < tryagain> cp15 What do you think on this: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/678 ?
10:29 <@cp15> real names for POIs would be nice, the c typename shouldn't be interpreted
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10:34 <@cp15> I have thought about something like this: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Item_def_new.h
10:34 < tryagain> Human readable POI names also can be entered into item_def.h. But I don't know what is better: have all POI info hardcoded in one place of header file or have it tunable in xml file.
10:34 <@cp15> Of course renumbering of item types will break map compatibility
10:37 < tryagain> hardly have a clue why town_label_0e0  and district_label_0e0 share same value in cal6 column. Is there any explanation of that table?
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10:37 < tryagain> *cat6
10:38 < tryagain> brb
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10:48 < korrosa> amenity=restaurant;cuisine=fine_dining;amenity=pub ?
10:48 < korrosa> That's two amenities for one POI - this would be frowned upon with OSM circles!!
10:49 < woglinde> re korrosa
10:50 < korrosa> Usually the advice for renderers is to render the first value for the given key. So, if someone did amenity=restaurant;pub, it is assumed that the mapper has checked the poi, and deduced that a restaurant is its primary purpose.
10:50 < korrosa> hi woglinde!
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10:57 <@cp15> tryagain, consider town_label_0e0 having an id of 0.1.0.0.1.1 and district_label_0e0 having an id of 0.1.0.0.2.1
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11:09 < tryagain> cp15 got it. It means map incompatibility and limits number of (sub) categories. Unsure if we will hit that limit but... I'd better use existing numbering and store other attributes like categories in separate data structure(s).
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11:19 < tryagain> korrosa What if there's some building having separate restaurant and pub inside? Is navigation program expected to be able to find both? Is it suggested somewhere in OSM docs to map these as individual POIs and not tag these values on building polygon?
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11:23 < korrosa> tryagain: In that situation (and I'm not an official OSMF board member!), there's two options: 1) building=yes,amenity=restaurant;pub OR 2) split the building into two along the pub/restaurant wall (if it exists, and I guess this means there must be two entrances) and tag the individual buildings.
11:24 < korrosa> Note I mentioned "for the renderer" - I haven't seen any guidelines for navigation software, as most use the Mapnik render anyway.
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11:25 < korrosa> But I agree with you guys - we need some way of being able to search for both the pub and restaurant using the existing OSM schema.
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11:27 < woglinde> hi antenna
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11:31 < tryagain> korrosa they may be on different floors.... Two buildings on top of eachother tagged with different levels? ;) For the second way there will be two buildings with the same address.
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11:32 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4599 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/ (RenderArea.cpp graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp): Fix:graphics/qt_qpainter:Fixed sigsegv on fullscreen OSD command. Ticket 618.
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11:36 < korrosa> tryagain: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tordanik/Floor_plan_mapping :)
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11:40 < korrosa> tryagain: Note that my experiences are biased towards the UK side of things. Other countries (and people) do things differently!!
11:41 < woglinde> chollya I know its hard but, better not mix bug fixes with codestyle
11:43 < chollya> huh?
11:45 < chollya> ah, found it :) Actually i've added a lot of debug output to qt_qpainter.cpp and forgot to remove braces
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12:30 < eagleFX> Hi navit roo, i need some help on howto make navit navigate from eg. my current point, and to some other city / street, this is on HTC Desire android.
13:14 < CIA-69> akashihi * r4600 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:build:Added building of speech_cmdline with cmake
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14:11 < antenna1> hi all
14:11 < woglinde> re antenna
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14:54 < dandor> hi woglinde
15:00 < woglinde> hi dandor
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15:10 < roooob> hi @all
15:10 < roooob> I have a question about the static offline routing with navit
15:11 < roooob> I want to know briefly  how the weights of the offline routing graph are calculated
15:12 < roooob> does anyone know someone I can talk to about that?
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15:16 < Number6> roooob: The weights should be in navit.xml, in the vehical profile section
15:16 < Number6> e.g.
15:16 < Number6> <roadprofile item_types="street_2_city,track_paved" speed="30" route_weight="30">
15:18 < roooob> ah ok thx and where exactly can I find the navit.xml? Do I have to download the sources of navit?
15:18 < Number6> What OS are you using?
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15:18 < roooob> Android
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15:19 < roooob> for the app and linux on my laptop :)
15:19 < roooob> arch
15:19 < Number6> For android - http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#navit.xml
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15:20 < Number6> Was navit a self compile? Did you compile with "./autogen.sh && ./configure && make" ?
15:22 < roooob> no just got the apk
15:23 < roooob> and installed it
15:23 < BrainDamage> you need to copy from the root filesystem into your sd card to edit
15:23 < BrainDamage> at least, that's what I did
15:23 < BrainDamage> adb shell cp /data/data/org.navitproject.navit/share/navit.xml /sdcard/navit/navit.xml
15:24 < BrainDamage> you need adb installed & cell phone in debug mode ofc
15:28 < roooob> hm just a moment brb
15:49 < roooob> hm don't have root access on my phone
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15:50 < BrainDamage> there's no need to, you only need to copy, not write from the root fs
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15:54 < roooob> it sais:
15:54 < roooob> $ cp /data/data/org.navitproject.navit/share/navit.xml /sdcard/navit/navit.xml
15:54 < roooob> cp: permission denied
15:55 < curious> hum, maybe just remove the sdcard from device and copy navit.xml using some normal computer
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15:56 < roooob> ? have the nexus s with internal sdcard
15:57 < curious> no mass storage mode ?
15:57 < curious> i.e. ability to plug in usb cable to access sd card using computer?
15:57 < roooob> yes internal mass storage, I'm able to access the internal sd-memory using my computer
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15:58 < roooob> think it's 16 gb internal sd-memory and extra internal system-memory
15:58 < curious> so perhaps u could use that, assuming internal sd-memory is same as internal sd-card
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15:59 < curious> well, if it is, u'll find 'navit' dir there ;)
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16:00 < roooob> yes only the binaries for the maps are saved there, right?
16:02 < roooob> can't find the navit.xml in sdcard/navit
16:03 < roooob> only some *.bin files are saved there
16:05 < curious> hum, perhaps u could download some sample one from web
16:05 < Number6> For those interested. The last spaceshuttle is about to launch
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16:06  * curious lines up to hitch-hike to the moon
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16:27 <@cp15> tryagain, I was able to process a planet now with the -2 switch on, size is only slightly larger (53MB). I will enable it now as default and remove the maptool option
16:28 < tryagain> yesyesyes!
16:37 < Number6> Only slightly larger... That's virtually minimal
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16:43 < korrosa> Just wanted to say: good job everyone! Navit's moved on quite a bit these last few weeks!!
16:43 < korrosa> And especially thanks to tryagain for pestering cp15 so much!!
16:43 < korrosa> Number6 gets no love.
16:43 < korrosa> And dandor is still my favourite.
16:44 < roooob> Number6: BrainDamage: ok got the navit.xml from a friend who has root access to his phone :)
16:44 < Zaba> what does the -2 switch do?
16:45 < roooob> so the weights of the edges are set just static depending on the osm-way(street)-type?
16:47 < roooob> so traffic-lights or street surface condition are not considered?
16:47 < woglinde> tryagain gratz
16:47 < tryagain> Zaba currently it makes maptool generate node items (POIs and housenumbers) from ways (buildings, parks etc) when we have applicable OSM tagging (amenity=restaurant on a building for example)
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16:48 < tryagain> thank everybody for support, especially korrosa for his low-space hdd ;)
16:48 < korrosa> roooob: Yes, you're right. See http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/891 about traffic lights
16:49  * Number6 beats korrosa around with a Fortran 77 Manual
16:49 < korrosa> tryagain: Every project's gotta have their token poor man...
16:50 < Number6> tryagain: Well done. Yet another great patch
16:50  * korrosa beats Number6 in the face with punch cards.
16:50 < Zaba> hm, I'm trying to build latest svn on debian and I get: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libfreetype.so', needed by `navit/font/freetype/.libs/libfont_freetype.so'.  Stop.
16:50 < roooob> ahh ok thx a lot, good support in this chat :)
16:50 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi guys. Exited and jumping up and down here. Will be getting my Viewsonic Viewpad 7 tomorrow!!! :D
16:51 < Zaba> I've got libfreetype6-dev installed all right
16:51 < OwenLA7QZ> So, the first question is: ....
16:51 < Zaba> what gives?
16:51 < OwenLA7QZ> Is the Navit version in the Android market up to date?
16:51 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: No.
16:51 < korrosa> Zaba: You have all dependencies installed (see the wiki)?
16:52 < Zaba> korrosa, unless some new dependency was added recently, yes
16:52 < Zaba> I've built successfully in the past
16:52 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: So, that means I'll have to compile it?
16:52 < Zaba> and I do have freetype stuff installed, it's just not looking in the right path
16:53 < Zaba> freetype-config --libs says: -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -lfreetype -lz
16:54 < kenguest> Number6: I didn't give you that fortran 77 manual to beat people with
16:54 < kenguest> Number6: try a maplins catalogue - they're heavier.
16:54 < kenguest> :D
16:55 < Number6> \o/
16:57 < korrosa> You have to pay for those Maplin catalogues... scandal.
16:57 < Zaba> outrage!
16:58 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Maybe not. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#Install_nigthly_development_verions_of_Navit_from_the_Website_.28no_root_required.29_.5Bless_recommended.5D
16:58 < Zaba> korrosa, ok, I've made a clean build directory, ran cmake a new and such, and it built successfully.
16:59 < Zaba> bah cmake ;)
16:59 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: I don't see the Viewpad 7 on that list, but I'll give it a try. Thanks.
17:00 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: This one is free, but difficult to bang people over the head with: http://www.maplin.co.uk/ (Used to go to Maplin's a lot when I was in Dublin)
17:01  * korrosa bashes Number6 over the head with an oct-core server and a screen with lynx pointing to http://www.maplin.co.uk
17:01 < korrosa> Crap: octo-core
17:01 < korrosa> Not quite as catchy.
17:02 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: If your viewpad works (and there's no reason that it shouldn't) please add it to the list!
17:04 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: OK, will do that.
17:04 < antenna1> OwenLA7QZ: a script to install svn on your netbook: http://pastebin.com/KiF2epq4
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17:05 < korrosa> antenna1: Do you mean for Zaba?
17:06 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Thanks. So, I just copy / paste this into a text file, save, make executable and run it? Does it have to be in a specific location?
17:06 < woglinde> OwenLA7QZ you should make install
17:06 < woglinde> otherwise navit may not find all of its plugin
17:07 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Hold on, now I'm confused. You want an apk for Android, right?
17:07 < woglinde> for android?
17:07 < woglinde> oh
17:07 < korrosa> Keep up woglinde!!
17:07 < antenna1> korrosa: no, I meant OwenLA7QZ, as he's running natty on his netbook. Just for the case he still wants to use it and try svn
17:08 < korrosa> Ah, cool.
17:08 < antenna1> OwenLA7QZ: right, make it executable, no specific directory needed
17:08 < antenna1> tell me if it works
17:08 < Zaba> you don't need to make install, you can just set NAVIT_LIBDIR and NAVIT_LIBPREFIX properly
17:09 < antenna1> I hope I didn't miss any dependencies, this may work for lucid as well
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17:16 < korrosa> antenna1: Did you separate the apt-get installs to make it more readable? Cos you can do it in one big go too...
17:18 < antenna1> korrosa:  I know, but it's more readable and I can easily replace dependencies if I update to the next ubuntu
17:19 < korrosa> Thought so!
17:19 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: The script is running.
17:20 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Had to do a little bit of head scratching to figure out I needed to run it with "sudo ./Navit_script"
17:20 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Creating the image files takes quite a while, so the whole process may take half-an-hour. Go make some tea and watch The Simpsons or something.
17:21 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: OK LOL!
17:21 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Will this script automatically upgrade me to newest Navit when a new one is released?
17:21 < korrosa> Or crack open a Bud, or whatever you do in the states!
17:22 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: Yes, but it's way overcomplicated for just an update. I'll write you a quick one for updating...
17:22 < OwenLA7QZ> I'm Norwegian (but presently in US)! American beer is like making love in a canoe. F-ing close to water...
17:23 < korrosa> Haha!!
17:23 < korrosa> antenna1: You have a script already for just updating?
17:24 < korrosa> Otherwise I'd just suggest this: http://pastebin.com/AJAUaKYA
17:24 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: I'll take the dogs for a walk. TTYL.
17:25 < korrosa> Man, those dogs do a lot of walking!
17:25 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4601 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/maptool.c: Add:maptool:Removed -2 switch and made way2poi active by default
17:25 < korrosa> Whoop!!
17:26 <@cp15> tryagain, thanks for the good work
17:28 < tryagain> I have fun doing that
17:37 < antenna1> korrosa: I do, but I didn't use the clean parameter
17:39 < antenna1> tryagain: great work! What features are you planning on next?
17:40 < korrosa> antenna1: Latest word on the street is that tryagain was gonna start on getting OSM relationships into Navit. He said it'd be easy....
17:45 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: "OSM relationships" Will that solve my problems with finding locations in the US?
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17:46 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: Another think I found was that Navit directed me to the wrong end of the street for our hotel In Newport News, Virginia. Thankfully, Google Maps had the correct location.
17:48 < tryagain> korrosa I'm going to make a secret patch implementing --korrosa switch to have a nice unpredictable crash in random place ;)
17:49 < korrosa> OwenLA7QZ: It will hopefully solve your problems, but can't say for sure. As for the hotel at the wrong end of the street, that may be an OSM data issue. Let us know which hotel and I'll have a look later...
17:49 < korrosa> tryagain: I can do that all by myself - no switch needed!!
17:49 < korrosa> Anyway, it's just stopped raining so gonna sprint home - bbiab....
17:49 < OwenLA7QZ> korrosa: I wasn't navigating to the hotel as a POI, I was navigating to the street address
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17:50 < Zaba> okay, current navit from svn can generate a route from st. petersburg to helsinki, that's awesome.
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18:00 < tryagain> OwenLA7QZ what address did you use? Does Nominatim search give you right result?
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18:11 < antenna1> tryagain: do you have any idea why a changed html in navit.xml could cause a crash/freeze?
18:12 < tryagain> sorry, best idea is because you changed it in unsupported way.
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18:19 < tryagain> korrosa would you like to crash something?
18:19 < tryagain> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/859
18:19 < tryagain> Now POI icons and text labels are inside poly or on its border. Should I try moving them from the border sligtly inside polygon?
18:21 < tryagain> Have to go now. See you!
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18:25 < Zaba> hrm..
18:25 < Zaba> is there some way to increase the level of detail of the map when it's zoomed out?
18:26 <@cp15> Zaba, yes, but performance will probably be bad
18:26 < Zaba> at least slightly, because scary brown and blue squares that don't even resemble the continents they represent are kind of sad
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18:27 <@cp15> set order_delta= "1" or higher in the layout
18:27 <@cp15> I have a fix for this in the pipeline
18:27 < Zaba> okay, thanks
18:27 < Zaba> fix for what?
18:28 <@cp15> For the display if you zoom out
18:28 < Zaba> ah
18:29 < Zaba> cp15, what does your fix do, exactly?
18:29 <@cp15> Generate a low resolution overview map of the whole world
18:30 < Zaba> and yes, indeed, a higher order_delta makes the performance drop...
18:32 < Zaba> cp15, that'll involve more maptool changes than navit, right?
18:32 <@cp15> There is a small fix in navit also... But mostly in maptool
18:33 < Zaba> okay
18:36 < korrosa> cp15: Does the value for delta have a unit? I'm adding it to the wiki...
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18:38 < korrosa> and Zaba: did you add it to the <layout ... > tag, or something else?
18:39 < Zaba> korrosa, to the layout tag, and it seemed to have an effect :)
18:44 < korrosa> Thanks. It doesn't actually do what I thought it would though - it just seems to make the roads way fatter!! I thought it would improve the resolution of things like buildings when zooming out, but it doesn't seem to...
18:47 < Zaba> here, it makes things show up from a smaller zoom level
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18:55 < korrosa> Zaba: Yeah, sounds the same as mine. You can control which things show up at which zoom levels individually by changing their corresponding order=
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19:00 < Number6> Has tryagain's patch been pushed out to the mapservers yet?
19:14 < korrosa> Number6: In what order should I put the box boundaries when wget'ing from planet extractor? I thought this for the UK would work, but it doesn't seem to: http://maps.navit-project.org/api/map/?bbox=2.2,49.6,-9.7,61.2
19:17 <@cp15> bllon,bllat,trlon,trlat
19:18 <@cp15> bl=bottom left tr=top right
19:18 <@cp15> so swap 2.2 and -9.7 and it should work
19:24 < korrosa> Yup, I got it the wrong way round! Works now, but with all the extra Ireland info it's 100MB larger than just using the GB extract from geofabrik and converting myself.
19:24 < korrosa> Oh wow, it's even got Paris!
19:25 <@cp15> Yes, the extractor has some overhead and giving you things you don't have ordered
19:25 < korrosa> Well, I guess that's very generous of you, so thanks!!
19:26 <@cp15> Removing that would put too much load on the extractor, because all tiles that partially intersect with the requested area will have to be unpacked, every item checked whether wanted or not and packed again
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19:29 < korrosa> Yup, makes sense.
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19:33 < baseendje> hi all
19:33 < baseendje> I'm new to navit and have a question about changing the skin
19:34 < tryagain> then just ask it and somebody will answer
19:34 < baseendje> I've found a nice example wich I wanted to test, but it seems I have to mod it before I can use it on my device
19:35 < baseendje> (I'm using a galaxy s2)
19:35 < baseendje> Is there a manual for changing a skin for my device?
19:36 < baseendje> the skin I downloaded is designed for a 800x480 android device, so I hope it would work right away
19:38 < tryagain> i have no android device handy. Today it seems were some talk on finding and replace navit.xml on android. Please look if it will help you. http://irclogs.navit.ie/%23navit-2011-07-08.log
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19:55 < baseendje> I think I need some more self study
19:55 < baseendje> thnx for your help anyway
19:55 < baseendje> bye
19:55 < korrosa> baseendje: Have you got an sd card for your device?
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19:55 < korrosa> Damn.
19:56 < tryagain> mr potty mouth :)
19:57 < tryagain> any success crashing #859
19:57 < tryagain> ?
19:58 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi guys. My new Viewsonic Viewpad 7 arrived an hour ago. Probably won't have time to load Navit on it until next week. I'll let you know how it goes. :) Got to go play!!!
19:59 < tryagain> wow. potty mouth crown is stolen!
20:00 < korrosa> "korrosa seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 1 times."
20:00 < korrosa> Bad times.
20:01 < korrosa> "Number6 is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 2 times." What a bully.
20:01 < korrosa> tryagain: I'll give it a go in a sec!
20:02 < tryagain> ok, thank you
20:02 < korrosa> How do you decide between inside border or on the border?
20:02 < tryagain> When mass center is outside of poly I move icon to the border.
20:04 < korrosa> tryagain: Good plan!
20:04 < korrosa> First hunk failed.
20:05 < tryagain> hm. that was not last svn... --korrosa swithc isnt real;y neded :) Will fix it
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20:56 < tryagain> Why trac doesn't allow me to replace my own attachment? "You don't have permission to replace the attachment poi-inside.diff. You can only replace your own attachments. Replacing other's attachments requires ATTACHMENT_DELETE permission."
20:57 < tryagain> nethertheless, please try it again, korrosa
21:00 < korrosa> tryagain: Is there a new patch on there? I only see the old one. Or has it updated?
21:01 < tryagain> hm. will try again... hang on...
21:01 < tryagain> get it
21:01 < tryagain> new one
21:01 < tryagain> with different name
21:07 < korrosa> Processing map now - back in 30 mins...
21:16 < woglinde> re
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21:20 < korrosa> tryagain: Hasn't crashed yet...
21:22 < tryagain> seems strange. Do you have enough free space? It needs 20Gb of free space to crash ;)
21:28 < korrosa> I have 2GB - still waiting... phase5
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21:43 < korrosa> tryagain: Finished and no crash - now to find a banana shaped building...
21:44 < woglinde> hehe
21:44 < tryagain> search for Queen's hospital
21:44 < tryagain> woglinde did you found way to crash?
21:45 < woglinde> tryagain I didnt test anythinig
21:45 < woglinde> in this area
21:45 < korrosa> tryagain: Which city?
21:45 < tryagain> btw what do you think on using ^= in boolean (not bitwise) expression
21:45 < tryagain> Bristol
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21:46 < tryagain> I've seen it on OSM. Unfortunately it seems to have no house number
21:47 < korrosa> We have a Queen's hospital in Bristol??!
21:47 < korrosa> Anyway, this node is showing in Navit... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/913299206
21:48 < korrosa> Oh, Lol, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital school!!
21:48 < tryagain> hm thats just a node
21:48 < korrosa> Not actually a hospital, but a very weird name
21:49 < korrosa> tryagain: Hold on, looks like there are no pubs showing for me...
21:49 < tryagain> yes, I said about the Queen Elizabeth Hospital school
21:50 < tryagain> well I was not working on pubs yet.
21:51 < korrosa> So yeah, the QEH school shows very well!
21:51 < korrosa> And the pubs? I seem to have all my layouts correct...
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21:54 < tryagain> pubs should be showed as usual, no changes done. What if you do textual POI search for pub?
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22:01 < korrosa> Nope, there are no pubs on my map.
22:01 < korrosa> tryagain: They're showing on yours?
22:01 < tryagain> hm. It seems something is broken in current svn.... will look.
22:01 < tryagain> nope
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22:13 < drlizau> korrosa has a map made by teetotallers
22:13 < korrosa> Not fair!
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22:20 < tryagain> even worse, it seems to happen with current svn.
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22:21 <@cp15> what?
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22:27 < tryagain> cp15 we're missing some items from map. There are no pubs, for example.
22:28 <@cp15> Show me an osm sample node
22:29 < tryagain> that's true for both nodes and ways. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1272879148
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22:48 <@cp15> tryagain, poi_pub is not defined
22:48 < tryagain> fine :)
22:49 < tryagain> so there wasn't any poi_pub's before?
22:49 <@cp15> Looks like there never were
22:52 <@cp15> I think that needs a fix
22:52 < tryagain> ok will try it now
22:53 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4602 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/osm.c: Fix:maptool:Complain about unresolvable item types
22:53 <@cp15> I have added a warning to maptool now, since this error was hard to find
22:53 < tryagain> good idea
22:55 < korrosa> Hold on - there were never any pubs??
22:56 <@cp15> Yep
22:57 < korrosa> Wow - don't know how I missed that one - I'm surrounded by them!
22:59 < tryagain> cp15 can you please look at http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/859/poi-inside.2.diff
23:01 <@cp15> Doesn't look bad. Have you done some testing?
23:01 < korrosa> ME!!
23:03 < tryagain> me too of course
23:06 <@cp15> Well, lets first see how the original patch works, you can then commit this tomorrow
23:07 < tryagain> no testing on planet. And I touched geom_segment_poly_point_inside, it seems to be called only from test. Didn't test if it's not broken.
23:08 < tryagain> and ok, let's look
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23:14 <@cp15> Good night
23:15 < tryagain> good night cp15
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23:24 < tryagain> what the hell is support/shapefile an why it doesn't compile with autogen/configure/make? No rule to make 'all'.
23:24 < tryagain> s/an/and/
23:24 < woglinde> uhm?
23:24 < woglinde> I tested it
23:24 < woglinde> and it worked
23:24 < woglinde> whats your configure opt?
23:25 < tryagain> default. Tested even with --disable-shapefile
23:25 < woglinde> please pastebin the error
23:26 < tryagain> damn. I have to sleep. Not full svn update.
23:26 < antenna1> is it possible to replay a gps log with navit?
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23:33 < rigel> hey, i installed navit on my htc dream/g1, realized it was bloated and wouldnt work for my use case, and then uninstalled, and MY SOUND IS STILL FUCKING BROKEN. MY FUCKING PHONE WILL NO LONGER PRODUCE SOUND AT ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR SHIT APP, AND I NOW HAVE TO REINSTALL MY FUCKING FIRMWARE. FUCK YOU GUYS AND YOUR BLOATED PIECE OF SHIT APP.
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23:42 < woglinde> antenna1 you mean drive it again?
23:42 < antenna1> woglinde: yep
23:43 < woglinde> use fake-gps
23:43 < woglinde> its in the gpsd utils
23:43 < woglinde> good nite
23:43 < antenna1> night
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23:45 < tryagain> woglinde yes it works.
23:45 < tryagain> goodnight all
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