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08:16 <@KaZeR> hi there
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13:09 < stephan75> hi all ... when I have a look at http://market.android.com the app of Navit has a release date of Februar 24, 2011 ... or in detail 0.5.0-4281.
13:09 < stephan75> Is there a chance to have a more recent version for android available over market?
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13:48 < BrainDamage> yes, you can grab the svn version off the navit site
13:57 < stephan75> even the apk file??
14:03 < stephan75> oh yeah ... I found   navit-current.apk       23-Jul-2011 02:44  7.9M   there!!
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19:21 < korrosa> [TRAC] Ticket closed http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/878#comment:6 "Android: Auto-downloading map "not enough space" when there IS enough space"
19:32 < ham73tux> Thanks!
19:37 < korrosa> No problem! Glad to see it got fixed...
19:57 < ham73tux> Question: address search does not work well (actually not at all) here in the US. Apparently the address is not tokenized correctly into state, city, street, house number, etc. Would it violate the current philosophy behind Navit to split the entry fields into country (and/or state), city, street and house no?
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22:12 < cp15_> Good evening
22:12 < korrosa> Evening cp15_
22:14 < cp15_> ham73tux, we can add the state name as additional information to the town name. Would that be ok?
22:15 < cp15_> Well, "does not work at all" probably depends on which address search method you use
22:16 < ham73tux> cp15, a typical address would be "12345 Streetname, Linux City, CA".
22:17 < cp15_> How did you enter that?
22:17 < ham73tux> Just as above.
22:17 < cp15_> In the Android Menu?
22:17 < ham73tux> yes, in address search.
22:18 < cp15_> Ok, can you try the second possibility:
22:18 < cp15_> Tap on the map, go to actions, town
22:18 < ham73tux> It requests "city and street"
22:18 < cp15_> Enter the town name
22:18 < cp15_> Select the matching town
22:18 < cp15_> Select streets
22:18 < cp15_> Enter the street name
22:18 < cp15_> Does it give better results?
22:20 < ham73tux> How do I let it accept the street name? There's no 'enter'.
22:20 < cp15_> Tap on the result in the result list
22:20 < cp15_> I hope there is one...
22:22 < ham73tux> Some additional input: I searched "Fremont" and got six or so results, but no state indicator (something like "Fremont, CA", "Fremont, NM" etc.). - No Enter found; same problem on the Windows version I am running at the moment.
22:22 < korrosa> ham73tux: Just tap the enter key (i.e. type the name then press "Enter" on the keyboard)
22:22 < cp15_> Or there is a green checkmark to the right of the input field
22:22 < ham73tux> There's no Enter key on an Android. On Windows Enter didn't work.
22:23 < cp15_> that will search for a street in all results
22:23 < cp15_> We have to add displaying the state name. First we need to add it to the map, then change navit to display it
22:23 < korrosa> ham73tux: The streets should just start appearing when you're typing letters into the search field. If they don't then Navit can't find the street.
22:23 < cp15_> We have two possibilities here:
22:24 < cp15_> - Add only the needed information to the maps (add the state or state abbreviation where fremont is) to the map and navit displays just this information
22:25 < ham73tux> Here's a real address, the one of my company: "47131 Bayside Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538".
22:25 < cp15_> - Add all available information (like state and county for example) and let navit decide what to present the user
22:25 < ham73tux> A city always carries a two character state after a comma: "Fremont, CA".
22:26 < cp15_> Well, that is highly us specific
22:26 < ham73tux> Streets seem not to be recognized in general here in the US.
22:26 < ham73tux> Agreed.
22:26 < cp15_> I will try to check that
22:26 < ham73tux> Every country has specific ways how to assemble an address. It's different again in Great Britain.
22:27 < cp15_> Well, that is why I don't like the free text search... We have to code in special handling for each country
22:28 < ham73tux> Best way probably would be to have separate fields for state or country, city, street and house number.
22:29 < korrosa> Which is basically what happens now (except the State bit).
22:32 < ham73tux> Yes, if you go wit the "Towns" icon. Thing is, if it shows you six identical cities, you don't know which one to select. Additionally, for some reasons, streets aren't recognized at all. Cities are at least found and proposed.
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22:34 < cp15_> I have tried and I can find bayside parkway in fremont
22:34 < cp15_> Here is what I did
22:34 < cp15_> Go to Actions, Town
22:34 < cp15_> Enter Fremont
22:34 < cp15_> Tap on the green checkmark right to the entry field
22:35 < cp15_> Enter bayside
22:35 < cp15_> Tap on "Bayside Parkway"
22:35 < cp15_> Tap on "View on Map"
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22:35 < cp15_> Can you confirm this?
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22:37 < ham73tux> Yes, that works. My way of entering was to enter "Fre" and then to select the first "Fremont from the list presented. Apparently that is the wrong Fremont :-)
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22:38 < cp15_> Yes, we will add something so it will display Fremont (California) or similar
22:38 < ham73tux> That's why we need to have something to distinguish cities if there are more than one. In the US that would be states.
22:39 < ham73tux> Very cool! Then we just need to make the free text address search more intelligent (or replace by separate fields).
22:39 < ham73tux> You guys are great!
22:39 < cp15_> :-) Thanks
22:39 < cp15_> But still some discussion
22:40 < ham73tux> I'm happy to contribute.
22:41 < cp15_> We could add to the map that Fremont is in state=California  and county=Alameda County
22:42 < ham73tux> If you can break it down to the county level, I would suggest to do it like "Fremont (Alameda, CA)". That would fix things if there are two cities with identical names in the same state.
22:42 < cp15_> And navit could decide whether California, Alameda County or both will be displayed
22:42 < cp15_> Or we could add just state=California for US and county=something for Ireland
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22:43 < cp15_> And navit will display the state for US towns and the county for Ireland towns
22:43 < cp15_> What would make more sense?
22:43 < ham73tux> Right, even better. Add these things only to resolve ambiguity. If there's only one such city, the additional information may not be needed.
22:44 < ham73tux> For european countries, you could use the country codes (D for Germany, F, E, UK, ...)
22:44 < ham73tux> Ireland would be EI, I think.
22:45 < cp15_> IE
22:45 < cp15_> Well, you might have noticed there is a flag left of the input field
22:45 < cp15_> If you tap on the flag, you can choose the country where to search
22:45 < ham73tux> Yes, I saw that.
22:46 < ham73tux> But that is when you enter the address through the Town icon.
22:47 < ham73tux> By the way, I sent you an e-mail earlier today (Navit address).
22:47 < cp15_> Yes, the full text search needs some more work
22:47 < cp15_> About installing navit on wince?
22:48 < ham73tux> I'm happy to help with the details for the US.
22:48 < ham73tux> No, more abot thanks for the hot fix you did yesterday :-)
22:49 < cp15_> Ok, found it :-)
22:49 < ham73tux> Respond by mail, if you like.
22:53 < cp15_> Do you see my prv messages?
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23:16 < cp15_> Good night
23:17 < ham73tux> Cheers!
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