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06:07 <@Horwitz> morgen
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13:44 < arpy> hey guys, I'm new to navit; seems like a great project, I'm really impressed, congratulations!
13:45 < arpy> I would like to build it on my own and try to enhance it with some features (routing along predefined routes for examples).
13:48 < Number6> arpy: What platform are you using?
13:56 < arpy> Unfortunately, I'm having some difficulties running Navit after being built with cygwin: It crashes without witing log, segmentation fault when trying to load bookmark.txt it seems... :-(
13:58 < Number6> Hmm, if it doesn't write to logs, it may be an IO issue. Do you use Windows only, or do you have access to a Linux box?
13:58 < arpy> Hey Number6 :) Unfortunately WindowsXP 64 Bit, can't do anything about it, I tried cygwin, newest release, sounded most promising.
13:59 < Number6> I'm afraid I've only ever cross compiled Navit for Windows on a Linux machine, but I'm sure that there is a way to do either a native build or a build using cygwin that is fully complete
14:00 < arpy> debugging unveiled a crash in navit\map\textfile\textfile.c, in function map_new_textfile(), command m->filename=g_strdup(wexp_data[0]); results in segfault because wexp_data == NULL!
14:02 < arpy> Well, for windows there's 2 ways described on the Navit homepage: Using MinGW or cygwin, and I thought cygwin might be less problematic
14:05 < arpy> Well, have you got anyone in mind who might be able to help me? According to Navit Contacts homepage, only Mineque does Windows build, and only Dandor did some cygwin build.
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14:06 < Number6> I'm sure if you hang around here, someone can help you. I'm sorry that I can't help out more
14:10 < arpy> Well, thanks anyway, 's been a pleasure *bs*
14:10 < Number6> No problem
14:25 < arpy> sry, brb
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15:41 < tryagain> arpy I was able to build navit for win32 in Mingw/MSYS environment. As far as I remember, there were no difficulties at all.
15:43 < tryagain> hm.. besides figuring out what components are needed for build. I've counfigured the beast with cmake.
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16:18 < arpy> BAK
16:18 < arpy> @tryagain thanks for the hint!
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16:48 < tryagain_> OwenLA7QZ have you had any success moving navit to SD card? Did you try app2sd from android market?
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17:06 < BrainDamage> I'm using cyanogen 7.1 and navit works ok from sd card
17:12 < tryagain_> Did you use some externat app to move navit to SD card? I consider buying Galaxy Ace and would like to be sure that small internal memory will not make too much sense for me...
17:12 < tryagain_> *external
17:13 < BrainDamage> it's not a "normal" rom, it's one built by the community which bundles app2sd
17:13 < BrainDamage> I'd warn you against phones with low internal mem, my phone has 128MB and I find myself constantly moving apps to sd due to lack of space
17:14 < BrainDamage> android itself doesn't help that as soon as it detects "low mem" ( 20 MB free space here YMMV ), it will start discarding sms and updates
17:15 < BrainDamage> also, more annoyances include the fact that system apps like google's cannot be moved to sd card, and every update they grow larger and larger ( even by several MB sometimes )
17:16 < BrainDamage> oh, and you cannot move any "widget" app to sd if you want the widget functionality to remain
17:18 < BrainDamage> and if you run any app at boot that has been moved to sd, it will considerably slow down your boot since it has to wait for sd check to finish before launching, and here ( with cyanogen, don't know with other roms ), it blocks the boot sequence partially ( app scanning for the home )
17:18 < BrainDamage> all in all, a lot of annoyances
17:29 < tryagain_> ok, thank you, it's quite useful info for me. Do you have 128 Mb at all or 128 Mb availiable for user programs? Samsung publish only user availiable memory on their site, they say I'd have 158Mb...
17:31 < BrainDamage> 128MB total
17:35 < tryagain_> Ok, then galaxy ace seems to be not a low-mem device :)
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17:56 < OwenLA7QZ> Hi. Where in navit.xml do I set the fullscreen switch? fullscreen="1"
18:00 < antenna1> in gui; http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options
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18:04 < OwenLA7QZ> Thanks, antenna1 that worked
18:22 < tryagain_> bye all
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21:18 < cp15_> Good evening
21:18 < Number6> Evening
21:38 < kenguest> Good Mogodon
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21:43 < chollya> cp15_: evening
21:43 < chollya> Number6: evening
21:43 < Number6> chollya: evening
21:43 < ham73tux> afternoon :-)
21:45 < woglinde> hi cp15 and chollya and number6
21:45 < Number6> ffs, hi woglinde
21:45 < Number6> hi *
21:45 < Number6> There, that covers everyone!
21:46 < ham73tux> And it's short, too!
21:47 < cp15_> No, it doesn't cover .somebody
21:47 < cp15_> Ok, not an allowed nick :-)
21:47 < Number6> You can't have a non ascii letter as your nick
21:47 < Number6> :-D
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22:36 < leumas_> hi all
22:37 < woglinde> hm smatch found some possible errors
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22:40 < woglinde_> lots of
22:40 < woglinde_> l=g_list_previous(g_list_previous(g_list_last(this->root.children))); gui_internal_prune_menu(this, l->data);
22:40 < woglinde_> g_list_previous can return NULL
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22:44 < woglinde_> ugh
22:44 < OwenLA7QZ> woglinde: Did you get navit compiled so it can be installed on SD?
22:44 < woglinde_> spot the error
22:44 < woglinde_> http://pastebin.com/QN3EdDsv
22:44 < woglinde_> OwenLA7QZ ah hi
22:44 < woglinde_> yes I think so
22:44 < woglinde_> sorry didnt have the time to upload it
22:45 < woglinde_> for cmake based compile system it is already in
22:45 < OwenLA7QZ> Great. No great hurry for me as I won't get my android back until Saturday, but good to know it's in the works.
22:45 < OwenLA7QZ> Did you test it?
22:45 < woglinde_> no
22:46 < woglinde_> number6 do you find the error?
22:46 < OwenLA7QZ> Any volouenteers here to test installing navit to the SD on an Android device?
22:47 < OwenLA7QZ> My wife took my Viewpad to Italy with her, so I have nothing to play with... :(
22:48 < woglinde_> buy another one
22:48 < woglinde_> ot cell phone
22:48 < OwenLA7QZ> I was just wondering whether you ment wife or phone...
22:50 < OwenLA7QZ> A bit strapped for cash at the moment. Took three months off work in the busy season to come here. Good I've got an understanding boss... WHen I get back, it'll be slow season so paychecks will be slim.
22:50 < woglinde_> come to where?
22:51 < OwenLA7QZ> Michigan.
22:51 < OwenLA7QZ> Been in the Caribbean (St Martin) for a few years.
22:52 < OwenLA7QZ> I fix electronics on boats, but most of the boats have left for hurricane season and won't start coming back until November.
22:52 < woglinde_> hm
22:52 < OwenLA7QZ> Where in the world are you?
22:53 < woglinde_> berlin germany
22:53 < OwenLA7QZ> Aha, so it's really past your bedtime :)
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22:53 < Number6> woglinde_: Find the error? Am I bug hunting? (More importantly, did I cause the bug?)
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22:54 < woglinde_> no
22:54 < woglinde_> wanted only to show what slipped through code review
22:54 < Number6> OwenLA7QZ: Most people here are from the EU (Germany mainly). A few of use are from Ireland
22:54 < BrainDamage> OwenLA7QZ: as I said earlier, I run navit off sd card ok
22:54 < OwenLA7QZ> You're lucky because I think the OSM maps work a lot better in Europe. The maps are the main problem with Navit here now, I think.
22:54 < BrainDamage> where in italy ouf of curiosity?
22:54 < Number6> woglinde_: Is that in a trac ticket? :|
22:54 < OwenLA7QZ> BrainDamage. Did you root?
22:54 < OwenLA7QZ> Torino
22:55 < BrainDamage> I'm running a custom rom, with bundled app2sd
22:55 < OwenLA7QZ> She's visiting the Fiat plant. She works for Chrysler
22:55 < OwenLA7QZ> BrainDamage: What hardware?
22:55 < BrainDamage> very crappy one, htc tattoo
22:55 < woglinde_> number6 no I will fix it tomorrow
22:55 < BrainDamage> 512MHz processor overlocked to 700, 256 MB ram
22:56 < BrainDamage> 8 GB sd class 2
22:56 < OwenLA7QZ> BrainDamage: I'm actually quite happy with the Froyo version in the Viewpad 7 apart from running out of space on internal memory.
22:57 < OwenLA7QZ> Rooting should allow me to fix that.
22:57 < BrainDamage> I have 128 MB internal memory, I run out of memory everytime
22:57 < Number6> woglinde_: k. I'm still off learning iOS' Objective C system - slowly we'll have it
22:57 < woglinde_> hihi
22:57 < OwenLA7QZ> I think I'll be able to install flash too when I root.
22:57 < BrainDamage> but I'm repeating myself, sec
22:58 < BrainDamage> http://pastebin.com/MVYaXPMg
23:00 < OwenLA7QZ> BrainDamage: OK, I read that.
23:01 < OwenLA7QZ> Can't believe manufacturers are being so stingy with RAM. It's not all that expensive. Would gladly have paid $50 more for the VIewpad 7 if it had 1 or 2 gig istead of 512Mb.
23:02 < Number6> Can you not replace the ram yourself?
23:03 < BrainDamage> handheld devices almost never use sockets
23:03 < BrainDamage> you need to solder in a new one, which must be pinwise and firmware wise compatible
23:03 < OwenLA7QZ> Number6: I don't think so. I did a lot of searching and could not find anyone who had taken a Viewpad 7 apart, so don't know what it looks like inside.
23:03 < Number6> This is where a soldering iron and steady hand come into play :-)
23:03 < woglinde_> ram is in the soc
23:03 < BrainDamage> BGA cannot be soldered with a soldering iron
23:04 < woglinde_> good nite
23:04 < BrainDamage> you need a hot air tool and/or a hot plate
23:04 < Number6> ANYTHING can be soldered with a soldering iron, given enough time :-)
23:04 < Number6> Night, woglinde_
23:04 < OwenLA7QZ> woglinde_: ARe you saying the ram is in a socket on thge VIewpad 7
23:04 < BrainDamage> not BGA
23:04 < BrainDamage> the pins are below the package
23:04 < woglinde_> OwenLA7QZ often
23:04 < BrainDamage> not accessible from the top/side
23:05 < BrainDamage> google the package type, and you'll instantly see why
23:05 < OwenLA7QZ> I'd like to see someone else tear one down with photos etc before I try take the lid off mine.
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23:05 < OwenLA7QZ> I think root and app2SD is a safer solution... on my budget.
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