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07:19 <@Horwitz> morgen
07:32 < hape> moin
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08:27 < Eduardo> Hello!
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08:35 < Eduardo> quit
08:35 < Eduardo> #quit
08:35 < Eduardo> No idea how to send commands here :D
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09:08 < kenguest> lo
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09:10 < gwen_fr> hello !
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09:13 < AlexWien> Good morning!
09:13 < AlexWien> Hello Cp15, Are you online?
09:13 < gwen_fr> i have just one question, can i download map on maps.navit-projet and "install" (copy of *.bin)  it on android phone ?
09:14 < KaZeR_W> gwen_fr, http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android might help
09:15 < gwen_fr> KaZeR_W: thx for the link.
09:15 < KaZeR_W> yw
09:17 < gwen_fr> hum, but it's not explain how to have two maps, ex: EU_FR and EU_EN ...
09:17 < AlexWien> Hi Kazer! Are you familar with word alignment settings of gcc
09:18 < AlexWien> The problem was detected the day befoe yesterday, when tryining to build under windows for windows
09:19 < AlexWien> Navit Teams builds under Linux corss compiled for win32 (mingw)
09:19 < AlexWien> When buildung under windows (cmake mingw) a strcuture in the map (cd_zip) differs in size by two bytes compared to the value ist shoudl be
09:20 < AlexWien> gwen_fr: in configuring navit section it is explain that you can have different maos inone maps set
09:21 < Number6> Morning
09:22 < kenguest> Number6: yes
09:22 < kenguest> :D
09:34 < gwen_fr> AlexWien: "if you have root permission" ... so, it's not possible to install maps :/
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11:39 <@cp15> AlexWien, now yes
11:39 < woglinde> gm cp15
11:41 <@cp15> gm woglinde
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11:50 < Eduardo> Hello...
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11:55 < woglinde> hi eduardo
11:56 < Eduardo> :)
11:56 < Eduardo> I am trying to compile Navit with Windows. Using CMake. My problem - this is the first time I use CMake at all.
11:56 < Eduardo> Same applies for mingw :)
11:57 < Eduardo> Do you have time and know-how to help? :)
11:57 < Eduardo> And will. I forgot will :D .
11:57 < woglinde> eduardo hehe
11:57 < woglinde> ask alexwien
11:57 < woglinde> he is doing the same as you
11:57 < Eduardo> I see...
11:58 < Eduardo> We damned Windows-users, isn't it? :D
11:58 < woglinde> hm depends
11:58 < woglinde> so whats your problem?
11:58 < woglinde> he said got it compiling by using the cmake-gui
11:59 < Eduardo> Well, I downloaded CMake and MinGW
11:59 < Eduardo> I also got the source. So far, so good.
11:59 < Eduardo> I can start the CMake-GUI.
11:59 < Eduardo> I say it... source code... my /trunk/navit directory...
11:59 < Eduardo> Where to build... my destiny directory...
11:59 < woglinde> good
12:00 < Eduardo> I try to configurate CMake, but I get the error "Could not be started, libbmp-10.dll not found, try installing again" (I translate from German here).
12:01 < woglinde> yes?
12:01 < woglinde> try to install libbmp
12:01 < Eduardo> I do not know where to find it....
12:01 < Eduardo> I tried to install again CMake, but to no avaid.
12:01 < Eduardo> "avail"
12:01 < woglinde> I wonder why the relay on bmp's
12:01 < woglinde> instead of png's
12:02 < Eduardo> No idea...
12:02 < Eduardo> I could say CMake to use the MinGW as "Current Generator".
12:02 < Eduardo> So I think, I guess, that CMake is ready, but I am too dumb to tell it how exactly to compile Navit.
12:03 <@cp15> Eduardo, is it libgmp-10.dll?
12:03 < Eduardo> Which are the "entries" in CMake? I can add and remove "entries". But entries of what...?
12:03 < Eduardo> Yes, cp15.
12:03 < Eduardo> OH!
12:03 < Eduardo> Sorry, let me try again...
12:03 < Eduardo> Stupid me. Yes, it is gmp.
12:03 < Eduardo> Hello again, cp15, thanks very much for your help.
12:04 <@cp15> This is needed by the compiler. There is a package gmp (or similar) available for mingw
12:04 < Eduardo> "Die Anwendung konnte nicht gestartet werden, weil libgmp-10.dll nicht gefunden wurde. Neuinstallation der Anwendung könnte das Problem beheben."
12:04 < Eduardo> Maybe I should install manually and check all the options...
12:04 < woglinde> ugh
12:04 < woglinde> gmp
12:05 < Eduardo> Yes, sorry, woglinde.
12:05 < Eduardo> I wrote it wrong.
12:05 < Eduardo> (re-installing CMake, this time i will check all the options in the installation...)
12:06 < Eduardo> Damn. No options to install this or that library or add-on. Looking for libgmp-10 somewhere in the net...
12:09 < Eduardo> libgmp-10 is in "bin" of MinGW ...
12:19 <@cp15> Maybe you need to add the bin directory to PATH
12:30 < Eduardo> Thanks, I will.
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12:45 < Guest35630> Need some help on: How to use navit with QT painter + QML, with QT qws on ARM board?
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12:52 <@cp15> Guest35630, I don't think I can help you with QML, but qt_qpainter also works with gui internal
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12:54 < Guest35630> Thanks cp15, I'll try this configuration.
12:56 < woglinde> Guest35630 whats your problem exactly with qt?
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14:13 < Eduardo> Hallo?
14:14 < Eduardo> Ich denke, ich habe versehentlich eine Seite in der wiki kaputtgemacht. Ich weiss nicht wieso, ich wollte nur einem Link reparieren.
14:14 < Eduardo> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/CMake
14:14 < Eduardo> Kann jemand die prüfen?
14:20 < woglinde> reverte einfach deine sachen
14:20 < woglinde> dafuer hat nen wiki ne history
14:29 < Eduardo> Hallo. Ich komme nicht rein...
14:29 < Eduardo> MediaWiki internal error.
14:29 < Eduardo> Exception caught inside exception handler.
14:29 < Eduardo> Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
14:29 < Eduardo> ... !?!?
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14:33 < woglinde> hm looks like cp15 updated the wiki again
14:33 < woglinde> or someone cracked it
14:34 < Eduardo> :(
14:35 < Eduardo> The other sites run, only this one is broken... I do not understand how this could happen, I was only making a totally normal edition.
14:35 < woglinde> that might not been have your action
14:38 < Eduardo> I hope, actually.
14:38 < Eduardo> Anyway.. you also cannot enter this page, correct?
14:40 < Number6> The wiki works fine for me
14:41 < woglinde> number6 I cannt login
14:41 < woglinde> it says I need cookies
14:41 < woglinde> but I have cookies enabled
14:42 < Eduardo> Number6, can you open this link...?
14:42 < Eduardo> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/CMake
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14:44 < Number6> Ah, the wiki is broken, then
14:50 < Eduardo> Another subject... I am trying to compile with CMake on Windows. I got the error with the libgmp-10.dll , so I included the /bin directory in my PATH environment variable. It worked but...
14:50 < Eduardo> ... now I am getting the next error: Could NOT find Freetype (missing:  FREETYPE_LIBRARY FREETYPE_INCLUDE_DIRS)
14:51 < Eduardo> I have tried to define such an "Entry" in CMake, (FREETYPE_LIBRARY and then the path to my freetype6.dll, which I have downloaded), but to no avail.
14:52 < Eduardo> Has somebody here tried to compile Navit on Windows and resolved the problem? Maybe I should have done something else instead of adding simply the C:/MinGW/bin to my PATH ?
14:55 < woglinde> maybee
14:56 < Eduardo> But I do now what... :(
14:56 < Eduardo> Thanks for being with me, anyway, woglinde :) .
14:57 <@cp15> Eduardo, FREETYPE should not be necessary
14:57 < Eduardo> Oh. But I got the error messages in CMake...
14:58 < Eduardo> "No freetype library found, graphics modules may not be available"
14:58 < Eduardo> Is this *not
14:58 < Eduardo> * critical? I thought it was...
14:58 <@cp15> No, it isn't
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14:58 < Eduardo> Ok... I will try, thank you.
14:58 <@cp15> Wiki works again
14:59 < Eduardo> Fine! Was that me!?
14:59 < Eduardo> I am so sorry!
15:01 <@cp15> Don't think so... Filesystem got full
15:04 < Eduardo> Ok. Good to know.
15:04 < Eduardo> I am a total newbie, cp15. I used CMake. I told it to build on my "D:\Projects\NavIT\Builds\". It ran. Where is the executable!?
15:12 < Eduardo> :)
15:15 < Eduardo> help! :)
15:16 < chollya> Eduardo: D:\Projects\NavIT\Builds\navit\
15:17 < Eduardo> I am looking there... but I find no .exe
15:17 < Eduardo> I find a builin.c , cmake_install.cmake and a Makefile .
15:17 < Eduardo> No executable. :(
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15:41 < Eduardo> (looking for help with CMake with MinGW, meaning Windows)
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15:54 < Eduardo> (looking for help with CMake with MinGW, meaning Windows)
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16:13 < woglinde> Eduardo reapting it dont helps
16:13 < woglinde> and you still did not say whats your actual problem is
16:14 < Eduardo> Sorry. I do not find any executables.
16:15 < woglinde> than maybee the build didnt suceed
16:15 < Eduardo> Maybe. I just can say that CMake said...
16:16 < Eduardo> "Generating done"
16:22 < Eduardo> Can somebody recommend me a forum to explain my problem...?
16:22 < woglinde> there is no forum for your problem
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16:22 < woglinde> what does find -name "navit.exe" brings out?
16:23 < Eduardo> I should run this in the windows console?
16:24 < woglinde> in your mingw console
16:24 < Eduardo> Ok... I will... second, please...
16:24 < woglinde> dont know the command for windows-cmd at the moment
16:25 < Eduardo> It says... well, nothing. The command returns to the prompt ($) without giving anything out before.
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16:26 < woglinde> okay than the navit.exe wasnt build
16:26 < woglinde> do a distclean
16:26 < woglinde> run cmake with your configoptions again
16:26 < woglinde> than make
16:26 < Eduardo> I understand. Ok, I type "distclean" in the MinGW console...
16:26 < woglinde> and pastebin the output
16:27 < woglinde> to navit.pastebin.com
16:27 < Eduardo> "sh: distclean: command not found" (in the minGW console)
16:27 < woglinde> make clean
16:27 < woglinde> make distclean
16:27 < Eduardo> "sh: clean: command not found" (in the MinGW console)
16:28 < Eduardo> Ok! "make clean" did something... wait...
16:28 < Eduardo> "make: ***No rule to make target 'distclean'. Stop" (in the minGW console)
16:28 < Eduardo> Same for "make clean".
16:29 < woglinde> okay than type now make
16:29 < Eduardo> "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop."
16:29 < woglinde> *sigh*
16:30 < Eduardo> sorry...
16:30 < woglinde> go to your directory which did specify with cmake to build for
16:30 < Eduardo> (trying to understand that...)
16:30 < woglinde> okay
16:30 < woglinde> than go back to cmake website and read the manual
16:32 < Eduardo> Ok... I understand what is the "build directory". I do not understand how to travel to it with minGW.
16:33 < woglinde> cd
16:34 < Eduardo> Ok... I think I am there...
16:35 < Eduardo> "make clean" ==> "make[2]: Entering directory ..."
16:35 < woglinde> good
16:35 < woglinde> now dont paste all here
16:35 < Eduardo> "Microsoft Windows XP ..."
16:35 < woglinde> wait until its finished
16:35 < Eduardo> Sorry.
16:35 < woglinde> than type make
16:35 < woglinde> and paste the putput to navit.pastebin.com
16:36 < Eduardo> *sigh* I do not know even how to select the text in the MinGW consolte... I know it in the normal console, but not in this one.
16:37 < Eduardo> Ok!
16:37 < Eduardo> Pasted. Tryinng to learn how to use navit.pastebin.com ...
16:39 < Eduardo> Now I am http://pastebin.com/u/EduardoSilva in navit.pastebin.com .
16:40 < Eduardo> http://pastebin.com/CAqDiWTR is the paste, I think.
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16:41 < woglinde> nothing more?
16:41 < Eduardo> Nothing more :( .
16:41 < woglinde> than you have no Makefile in this dir
16:41 < woglinde> and nothing is build
16:41 < Eduardo> Ok... tryiing again...
16:42 < woglinde> use cmake again
16:42 < woglinde> try cmake -i
16:42 < Eduardo> There is a Makefile in this dir... checking again...
16:42 < Eduardo> There is a Makefile in this dir. Definitively.
16:43 < Eduardo> A file called "Makefile".
16:43 < woglinde> than it should do something
16:43 < woglinde> try make -f Makfile
16:43 < woglinde> ups Makefile
16:43 < Eduardo> Ok.
16:44 < Eduardo> Same answer. But now it is already "make[5]..."
16:45 < Eduardo> I make "dir" and come all files, including my Makefile.
16:46 < Eduardo> I updated my paste. You can see my "dir" and the file.
16:47 < Eduardo> For the case, I pasted it again: http://pastebin.com/E454Wxy1
16:50 < Eduardo> "cmake -i" said something interesting... "The source directory "D:/Projects/NavIT/Builds" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt" . I am looking for such files.
16:50 < woglinde> yes
16:50 < woglinde> go to the normal navit dir
16:51 < Eduardo> Ok...
16:52 < Eduardo> Did it. Tried make. Same result :( .
16:53 < woglinde> cmake -i?
16:53 < Eduardo> There are no files called CMakeLists.txt anywhere. Files called *.cmake yes...
16:53 < woglinde> ?
16:53 < woglinde> where did you checked out navit?
16:54 < Eduardo> Same result as before.
16:54 < Eduardo> Ok!
16:54 < Eduardo> OH! Minute...
16:54 < Eduardo> I understand! I misunderstood "normal navit file"! Going there!
16:55 < Eduardo> It does something!
16:55 < woglinde> "go to the normal navit dir"
16:55 < woglinde> there is nothing with file
16:57 < Eduardo> Ok, ok... I went to the directory where I checked out navit. Yes, there was a CMakeLists.txt
16:57 < Eduardo> cmake -i
16:57 < Eduardo> I am trying to paste the results...
16:58 < Eduardo> Believe it or not, I am having problems pasting the content of the console...
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16:58 < woglinde> no need for paste
16:59 < woglinde> read the output yourself
16:59 < Eduardo> Ok... it gives warnings... then errors...
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17:00 < Eduardo> For example, " CMAKE_RC_COMPILER-NOTFOUND was not found "
17:00 < Eduardo> "The cl compiler was not able to compile a simple test program "...
17:01 < Eduardo> I will try to resolve this, somehow. woglinde, thank you very much for your help. I could understand some simple things without having to read a manual, and I feel that I came further.
17:02 < Eduardo> I thank you very much. I will try to do some steps more on my own.
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17:54 < muhkuh> Hallo. Ich bin ahnungsloser Neuling und würe gerne OpenStreetMap bzw. einen Abkömmling zum Radfahren nutzen. Da in der normalen Version von OpenStreetMap Radwege häufig von nahe & parallel verlaufenden Landstraßen überdeckt werden, solange man nicht sehr nahe heranzoomt würde ich gern OpenCycleMap nutzen, dort besteht das Problem nicht. Leider kenne ich keine Anwendung für Android mit der man eine vektorbasierende OpenCycleMa
17:54 < muhkuh> p-Anzeige offline (!) hinbekommt
18:00 < muhkuh> in english: is it possible to get a vector-based offline opencyclemap-like view in navit or some other android app? problem with oridnary osm-view is: cycle lanes get hidden under parallel streets sometimes if you don't select the highest zoom levels.
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18:24 < korrosa> BOOM!! MISS ME??!!
18:24 < woglinde> yes yes
18:25 < woglinde> muhkuh try bycycle as vehilce in navit
18:25 < Number6> Yes, korrosa
18:25 < Number6> Read the logs, I was frought with worry
18:26 < korrosa> I saw, I saw! I'm doing fine. Looks like I didn't miss much though - just a load of Windows shenanigans!
18:27 < woglinde> where were you?
18:27 < Number6> Holidays, or just too lazy to pop in?
18:27 < korrosa> Holiday - still am!
18:27 < Number6> Bring me back sweets
18:27 < korrosa> And the hotel I stayed in didn't have internet.
18:27 < korrosa> Well, it did, but €2 per half-hour.
18:27 < korrosa> They can get fucked.
18:28 < Number6> Web interface to pay?
18:28 < korrosa> Number6: I saw cp15 didn't fulfil your wish - I'll try...
18:28 < korrosa> Number6: yeah, one of those.
18:29 < korrosa> Also, no wifi in rooms - only LAN cable.
18:29 < Number6> Ah feick that
18:29 < korrosa> Like I carry one around with me in my speedos.
18:29 < Number6> I do!
18:29 < Number6> Right, quitting time.
18:29 < Number6> /o/
18:30  * Number6 demands rock or an airport toblerone... and don;t forget thephotos
18:31 < korrosa> Number6: Rock? You think I've gone for holidays in the UK? Like Blackpool?! Ha! Just check my ip to see where I am....
18:31 < korrosa> (And what goes on holiday, stays on holiday - no photos for you.)
18:33 < woglinde> lol
18:34 < curious> woglinde, opencyclemaps supports height profile
18:34 < curious> no idea how to enable height overlay in navit
18:34 < curious> it certainly does not come with just OSM data
18:34 < woglinde> hm
18:34 < korrosa> curious: No it doesn't.
18:34 < woglinde> there is support for height profiles
18:35 < woglinde> but it is experimental
18:35 < korrosa> Garmin maps do, and height profiles show for those.
18:35 < woglinde> and has heavy cpu usage
18:35 < curious> ye, and i guess that was what muhkuh asking about
18:35 < korrosa> Ah, now I see his question: muhkuh - the short answer is "no".
18:35 < curious> so just enabling 'bicycle' as vehicle is far from enough
18:36 < korrosa> You can edit the way Navit displays the map data. So you can make cycle paths more prominent, for example.
18:36 < korrosa> However, Navit doesn't yet do relations, so most cycleroutes won't show.
18:37 < curious> btw. i've made custom navit.log for wince device with more bike routing profiles (i.e. 'night bike' for biking in the night and 'safe bike' for biking avoiding main (overloaded) roads)
18:37 < curious> where can i upload it?
18:38 < korrosa> curious: probably wiki. No page for it yet though. Or trac.
18:38 < korrosa> and when you say navit.log, do you mean navit.xml?
18:39 < curious> oh, yes
18:39 < korrosa> And these are new vehicleprofiles?
18:40 < curious> yes
18:41 < woglinde> curious you mean .xml
18:41 < woglinde> not .log
18:42 < korrosa> curious: Hm, sounds cool. Perhaps open a feature request on trac and add them there. I'm currently thinking about re-structuring the Configuring Navit wiki page, so I'll incorporate it with that once I'm done.
18:44 < curious> http://83.18.229.190/tmp/navit.xml
18:44 < curious> sounds bit too complicated
18:45 < curious> perhaps just grab it and put somewhere as sample config
18:45 < curious> it is configured for wince device, using on bike, with OSD related with such usage,  and speaks in polish
18:46 < korrosa> Oh right, OK, that's an entire navit.xml!
18:46 < curious> and it's 'optmised' for low cpu device (so osd is minimal)
18:49 < curious> ah, and as icons in navit dir lacked 'lock' icon i used gui_active.png for lock display button
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19:06 < korrosa> Thanks curious.
19:07 < korrosa> Anyone interested in what's been going on with trac in the last week or so?
19:07 < korrosa> I can't be arsed to type them all out, so here's the link I use:
19:07 < korrosa> http://trac.navit-project.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&col=changetime&desc=1&order=changetime
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19:19 < curious> btw. original navit xml has bug related to not taking some roads under account , see the original bicycle profile
19:19 < curious> or rather assigns them very low speed
19:31 < woglinde> curious send patches for original xml
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20:00 < antenna1> good evening!
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21:08 < korrosa> Anyone care to answer the question: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Talk:Configuring_Navit
21:08 < korrosa> (The second question, about night mode)
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21:11 <@cp15> I would say the documentation is wrong here
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21:23 < korrosa> cp15: How so? I thought there was a problem with people in the southern hemisphere (i.e. those over the equator)?
21:25 <@cp15> Don't think so but maybe drlizau can check when back
21:29 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php?title=Configuring_Navit&action=historysubmit&diff=4303&oldid=4274
21:30 < ham73tux> Doesn't sound right. It's night the same time in the southern hemisphere and the northern hemisphere, as long as you're at the same longitude. Summer and winter are reversed, but that's another story.
21:30 < korrosa> That was edited after a discussion on IRC about the problem with someone (I swear it was with you cp15). If only I could get the logs back for those dates!
21:31 < korrosa> ham73tux: I'm not arguing with that (of course it's a fact), but I think the algorithm which was implemented for the day/night switching had some funny behaviour if you lived in the southern hemisphere. If I remember correctly...
21:31 < ham73tux> Ah, interesting.
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21:31 < woglinde> hehe
21:32 < korrosa> Like a genie!
21:32 < woglinde> he read the log
21:40 <@cp15> drlizau, can you please check whether there is a problem in the southern hemisphere with the automatic day/night layout switch?
21:41 < drlizau> i've never noticed it, always had daylight
21:41 < drlizau> on navit
21:42 <@cp15> It should switch automatically when the sun goes down
21:42 <@cp15> Also it should switch to night layout if you start it at night when the gps gets a fix
21:43 <@cp15> If it doesn't work for you this way there is probably a bug in it
21:44 <@cp15> Well, thinks like "Compute time when Sun is at south - in hours UT" seem to suggest it doesn't work at the southern hemisphere at all
21:46 < drlizau> i know that i've seen some advice to switch day and night for it to work in the southern hemisphere, but it's always been day here
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21:48 <@cp15> I guess we need to debug the sunrise/sunset calculation.
21:48 <@cp15> Ok, got a source for sun rise/set times for australia. Will check it tomorrow
21:50 <@cp15> Good night for now
21:51 < ham73tux> Good night cp15
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