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00:38 < jonlits> anyone here?
00:39 < jonlits> Trying to get help with using OSM.bin files
00:39 < jonlits> I am trying to upgrade to a newer version of navit but I don't know how
00:44 < curious> jonlits, what is the problem?
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00:46 < jonlits> hi
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00:46 < jonlits> help installing a svm release?
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00:46 < jonlits> im not sure how to use the makefile or sh
00:53 < jonlits> maybe a link to the install help file for the latest build
00:55 < jonlits> scm i meant not svm
00:55 < curious> wchich platform?
00:56 < jonlits> ubuntu
00:56 < jonlits> natty
00:56 < curious> i'm not much genious in this either, but i recall at least for linux it has almost all automatic scripts coming with release
00:56 < jonlits> yes it does for 0.2.0
00:57 < jonlits> I can't get the OSM maps to work
00:57 < jonlits> so I am trying a subversion release
00:57 < jonlits> I think I found the steps to install this
00:57 < curious> btw. for quick build guide from svn you could just use gentoo's ebuild - peek inside it and see what steps are performed and then recreate them
00:58 < curious> help should be also in INSTALL file :)
00:58 < curious> you need to convert osm maps to .bin format ofcourse , it should work out of box
00:58 < curious> i.e. just include them in navit.xml a
00:58 < curious> and it should work
01:02 < jonlits> it isn't working
01:02 < jonlits> the program won't open when I add a .bin file to the maptype option
01:03 < curious> try to start it from console, and see what it dumps when it crashes
01:03 < jonlits> the wiki says the 0.2.0 can't open .bin files
01:03 < jonlits> ???
01:03 < curious> hum
01:04 < curious> uh, 0.2 seems very old
01:05 < jonlits> I guess that is the Release that comes with Ubuntu Natty
01:05 < curious> i'm grabbing navit-svn-4672 to see how it looks inside
01:06 < curious> nah, it has just plain distribution dir
01:06 < curious> so u get navit-0.5.0 inside, and no toying with autogen etc.
01:07 < curious> just ./configure && make && make install
01:07 < jonlits> i get a prompt from my terminal that says i need gettext
01:07 < jonlits> i than did apt-get install gettext and it says i have the latest version
01:08 < curious> during configure?
01:08 < jonlits> looking at the wiki it says it should work?
01:08 < curious> i just did configure
01:08 < curious> it did not ask about anything
01:09 < curious> i'll check which gettext i do have here...
01:09 < jonlits> how do you do a version check?
01:09 < curious> genlop -i gettext ;)
01:10 < curious> i am using gentoo
01:10 < curious> i have gettext 0.18.1.1-r1 installed
01:10 < curious> you can try gettext --version
01:10 < jonlits> gettext (GNU gettext-runtime) 0.18.1
01:11 < curious> hmm. check config.log then
01:11 < jonlits> in the navit directory?
01:11 < curious> and try to find why it doesn't like your gettext
01:11 < curious> yes, in the directory of source you try to configure
01:12 < jonlits> no log file
01:13 < curious> hmm, must be there
01:13 < jonlits> actually when i tabbed to complete .configure there was nothing there
01:14 < curious> ./configure
01:14 < jonlits> so in terminal should i sudo make?
01:14 < curious> no, you should ./configure first
01:14 < curious> no sudo needed for that
01:14 < curious> just type ls and check if you have configure @ all :)
01:14 < curious> perhaps u entered wrong dir ?
01:16 < jonlits> no configure
01:16 < jonlits> i put the tarball in /home folder
01:17 < curious> you need to untar it first!
01:17 < jonlits> i did that
01:17 < jonlits> extract to /home/navit
01:17 < curious> so, you should have navit-0.5.0 directory, and configure inside
01:18 < jonlits> maybe can you give me the download for the tarball you used
01:18 < curious> http://download.navit-project.org/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-4672.tar.gz
01:21 < jonlits> ok now i think i have a better file
01:22 < jonlits> so i should run ./configure && make && make install
01:23 < jonlits> I think it is working this time
01:23 < jonlits> I appreciate your time
01:24 < curious> :) yw
01:25 < jonlits> was i supposed to sudo?
01:25 < curious> for make install - yes
01:25 < jonlits> ok
01:25 < jonlits> so i will do again
01:25 < curious> ./configure && make should run fine from user
01:26 < jonlits> it tried to create a directory in usr/local/share and it said permission denied
01:28 < jonlits> so now i should be able to type in navit in terminal?
01:28 < jonlits> and it will open?
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01:29 < curious> hmm
01:29 < curious> no, something was wrong with ur sudo
01:29 < curious> perhaps just move to root via su
01:30 < jonlits> hmm
01:30 < jonlits> a little help?
01:30 < curious> or you can just run it
01:30 < curious> ./navit/navit :)
01:31 < curious> it may miss icons or other weird stuff, but at least quick check if it works/built @ all
01:31 < curious> well, u can move to root console by just typing 'su'
01:31 < curious> it might ask for root pswd ofcz
01:31 < curious> ofcourse
01:32 < jonlits> it is missing the main configure file
01:32 < jonlits> navit.xml
01:32 < jonlits> i might have saved the other one
01:32 < curious> oh. but well, it did build
01:32 < curious> you can just retry sudo make install
01:32 < jonlits> yes it did
01:33 < jonlits> i will try that
01:33 < jonlits> where are you from curious?
01:33 < curious> it should install everything once again, and then you need to copy navit.xml from templates
01:33 < jonlits> I am in alaska
01:33 < curious> lol
01:33 < curious> i'm in Lusatia
01:33 < jonlits> i don't even know where that is
01:33 < curious> don't worry about old navit.xml
01:34 < curious> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatia
01:34 < curious> just don't call me swamp-thing ;)
01:35 < jonlits> lol
01:35 < jonlits> i wouldn't
01:35 < curious> well, old navit.xml had crappy layout , so copying new one will be better
01:35 < jonlits> i agree
01:35 < curious> you should have it in /usr/share/navit/navit.xml
01:36 < jonlits> OK
01:36 < curious> ofcourse you need to edit it to add osm binfile, your gps, and so on, for now just copy it and try to start navit , it should at least appear with some demo map
01:36 < jonlits> sweet sudo make install worked
01:36 < jonlits> and i got the sample map to pop up
01:37 < jonlits> now to get north america to pop up
01:37 < curious> it's binfile, so now osm binfiles should work :)
01:37 < jonlits> i think it may work
01:37 < jonlits> thankyou very much
01:37 < curious> yw :)
01:37 < jonlits> maybe someday i will be able to help someone
01:39 < jonlits> Have a good day or whatever time it is there... morning/night
01:39 < curious> it's ~2:41 here :) night :) and enjoy your navit
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06:04 <@Horwitz> morgen
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08:49 < petrs> hi there.. I have two questions regarding searching for town on openstreetmap in Navit.. Is anybody listening, please
08:59 < woglinde> yes?
09:00 < petrs> woglinde, both are related to Czech map so if you don't have it and don't want to guess then please wget http://maps.navit-project.org/api/map/?bbox=12,48.4,19,51 :-)
09:00 < petrs> woglinde, first thing is that when searching for Zlin town the suggested result is "76001 Zlín", that is ZIP + town name
09:01 < petrs> the ZIP is prepended in Zlin only, I tried couple other towns and it didn't happen. What could have the Zlin wrong in OSM data that it includes the ZIP code?
09:01 < woglinde> yes
09:01 < woglinde> nothing?
09:01 < petrs> or is it a feature to distinguish between different Zlins?
09:01 < woglinde> thats just a feature that zlin have postal code
09:01 < woglinde> and other towns not
09:01 < woglinde> check the osm data
09:01 < petrs> I can "fix" that in OSM
09:02 < woglinde> fix the other towns?
09:02 < woglinde> or is the zip code wrong?
09:02 < petrs> are you suggesting that in other countries Navit always prepends the ZIP code
09:02 < petrs> and that I should better fix the ZIP codes for all other towns in Czech rep.?
09:02 < woglinde> ifyes
09:02 < woglinde> ups yes
09:02 < woglinde> try germany
09:03 < petrs> ok then, glad to know that. I originally was a bit confused that only Zlin came up with the ZIP so...
09:03 < petrs> anyway, the second question might be quite related in certain way
09:03 < petrs> when searching for "Prostjov" two towns pop up in Navit
09:04 < petrs> you can't distinguish between them in any way
09:04 < petrs> so you don't know which one to select
09:04 < woglinde> right
09:04 < woglinde> set the zip code
09:04 < woglinde> ;)
09:04 < petrs> when you select the wrong one you'll directed not to a 30 thousand town but to a 12 house village hidden somewhere in mountains
09:05 < woglinde> http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/maptool/osm.c?revision=4671&view=markup
09:05 < woglinde> search for postal_code
09:05 < petrs> my question was thus shouldn't Navit distinguish between large and small towns somehow in the town search
09:06 < woglinde> ?
09:06 < woglinde> add population tag
09:06 < petrs> now I can see the ZIP is the right answer. If there was ZIP for the Prostejov towns (either one) it would allow the searcher to pick up the right one
09:06 < woglinde> *g*
09:06 < woglinde> and change the osm data parase and internal gui
09:06 < woglinde> to show you population instead of postal_code
09:06 < woglinde> both would pop up
09:07 < woglinde> but with postal_code you can distinguish which is which
09:07 < petrs> population might not be the right thing
09:07 < petrs> yes, the ZIP code is the answer
09:07 < petrs> there's another thing called perhaps "area"
09:07 < petrs> not sure about the translation
09:07 < petrs> give me a sec, I'll find an example
09:08 < woglinde> where in the osm parser?
09:08 < woglinde> or in the osm data?
09:08 < petrs> no, in google maps
09:08 < petrs> I am trying to show that the Navit could show something like
09:08 < petrs> Prostejov, area Prostejov
09:08 < petrs> Prostejov, area Chrudim
09:09 < petrs> ah, county
09:09 < woglinde> hm ah
09:09 < woglinde> yes same problem in us
09:09 < petrs> district, canton, county
09:09 < woglinde> there are some thoughts
09:09 < woglinde> but is nt finally implemented yet
09:10 < woglinde> okay till later
09:11 < petrs> anyway, thanks for the explanation regarding ZIP in town search, I'll go ahead and add ZIP codes to other towns in Czech OSM as time permits
09:12 < petrs> also, I have to say that navigation in Navit improves in each revision. I am going to close the bug I opened recently as navigation from Zlin to Plzen works perfectly now. Something must got fixed in the internals
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09:14 < shuvo> anyone there?
09:14 < Number6> Morning
09:15 < shuvo> Morning
09:16 < shuvo> can you tell me how can i get current position from gps signal? I downloaded the wince version from svn
09:17 < Number6> Ok. The WinCE version uses your GPS' com port. Do you happen to know what port it is? (All devices are different)
09:19 < shuvo> i added this line in navit.xml reading wiki
09:20 < Number6> Can you try setting the baudrate to 4800
09:20 < Number6> And start from com1
09:20 < Number6> Then go outside and see if you get a GPS lock (If you do, you'll see a blue circle with a dot in it
09:20 < Number6> If not, try com2, com3, etc
09:20 < shuvo> ok. is the port is ok? how do i know the real port? how mant ports are there?
09:20 < shuvo> ok
09:21 < Number6> All the devices are different. Mine was on com2, but yours might be on com4
09:21 < shuvo> ok
09:21 < shuvo> and the baudrate will be 4800? for all the device?
09:22 < Number6> 4800 is the lowest common baudrate. When you find the right port, double the baudrate and try again
09:22 < Number6> Again, on my device, it was 4800
09:22 < shuvo> ok. let me try. i'll let you know. thanks.
09:23 < Number6> No problem
09:24 < shuvo> should i use com2: or COM2: ?
09:25 < Number6> Try
09:29 < kenguest> Number6: you're so smart! <3
09:29 < Number6> Puss
09:31 < kenguest> don't talk to me about puss - four feline feckers fouling the dandy domecile
09:32 < Number6> Puss is Swedish for kiss, you mong
09:33 * kenguest never knew - which is suprising
09:33 < woglinde> petrs intressting the last time I tested the bug was still there
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09:35 < petrs> woglinde, I have just svn up (4672) and wget fresh map and it worked fine both to Plzen and to Usti nad Labem
09:35 < woglinde> hm intressting
09:35 < woglinde> okay
09:35 < petrs> woglinde, the only suboptimal thing is the route via Praha/Prague. Going through the city will not work in day time... It should have used the Jizni spojka route
09:36 < petrs> but that should probably be fixed in the OSM - the Jizni spojka should be mapped somehow differently, like a highway or something?
09:37 < petrs> I think it was even mentioned in the bug report - that the mapping in or around Prague should be fixed in OSM but I'd need to check closer how it looks there
09:37 < petrs> that reminds me
09:37 < petrs> how can one point to a part of route and tell navit "not this way"
09:38 < petrs> I think it was part of GTK interface, via mouse right click? but how can one do that in Navit internal GUI used on Nokia N810 and also my brand new Android phone where I am going to install Navit, too?
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09:41 < petrs> I mean it's useful when you for example know traffic situation (traffic jam), you could tell Navit in advance to recompute and find a better route
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09:42 < woglinde_> petrs there is little support for traffic jam informations
09:42 < woglinde_> but not finished
09:43 < petrs> well, that was just an example. I'd like to explore that support and perhaps improve it when I get to it but the question remains: would you find useful if you could point to a route and say "not this way, find another" ?
09:43 < petrs> say in the Prague, to let it find the Jizni spojka before you actually enter the Prague traffic
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11:45 < arpy> woglinde_: hey there!
12:08 < arpy> @cp15: Greetings!
12:10 < woglinde_> yes?
12:12 < arpy> Hi, recently we discussed about problems with building in Win32
12:13 < woglinde_> yes
12:13 < arpy> Me and my friend (alexiswien) solved the issues and managed to create a stable build
12:14 < woglinde_> fine
12:14 < woglinde_> write your stuff in the wiki
12:14 < woglinde_> there are some guys now using cmake and windows
12:15 < arpy> Your wiki is totally wrong how to build under Win32 :-( Maybe it was correct some time ago, but by no chance you will succeed nowadays if you follow it.
12:15 < woglinde_> ?
12:15 < woglinde_> and its not my wiki
12:16 < woglinde_> its our all wiki
12:16 < arpy> Yes, I mentioned it in the Navit-for-Windows Wiki (I was the first one doing so), and referenced the CMake page (which was not referenced at all).
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12:19 < arpy> It's our all Wiki, well said. But don't you think it would be safe to consider it unfair for a Navit newbie to try hard to follow the build instructions and all the time spent is in vain? Shouldn't it have been mentioned by the elders doing the builds?
12:21 < arpy> My approach would be, now that I know how to do it (took me two weeks, by the way), to write it down in the wiki for other poor guys to find.
12:22 < woglinde_> fine
12:22 < woglinde_> I dont build this much for windows
12:22 < Eduardo> Hello, woglinde! Thank you so much for the help yesterday. :)
12:22 < Eduardo> It builds :)
12:23 < woglinde_> Eduardo good
12:23 < woglinde_> see arpy wrote the wiki for you
12:23 < arpy> But why the hell did I find no working instructions? I assume I am not the first man on earth to build this thing in Win32. There's windows builds available for download. But how were they created? Surely not following the instructions in the wiki! Why did the person doing the builds not update the wiki? That's a little unfair, I am afraid to see.
12:24 < woglinde_> arpy I only tested cygwin some time ago
12:24 < woglinde_> and it worked
12:24 < woglinde_> and that I wrote in the wiki
12:24 < arpy> woglinde, no offense; I would just like to give some suggestins for improvement for the community :-)
12:25 < woglinde_> since then some stuff changed
12:25 < Eduardo> (I am gone - come later, in some minutes, and read)
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12:28 < arpy> Of course some stuff changed, as it should always do. But, the one changing stuff should please (please, *begging*, please) update the instructions when knowingly breaking with them, as all followers will suffer! That's a basic rule, no rocket science...
12:29 < Eduardo> woglinde, nobody's perfect, nor systems nor people, and they have limited time. I understand that. But of course I am grateful about any improvement in the documentation.
12:29 < Eduardo> Sorry, that was for arpy :p .
12:29 < Eduardo> Anyway... maybe I should explain my situation. I am sitting here in Eureka AG, a German company which supports BMW on some things. BMW is seriously thinking about incorporating Navit, in some
12:30 < Eduardo> way, to the serial production. That means that Navit would be the basis of the Head Unit of BMW cars in some moment around 2014. Which I consider pretty cool :) .
12:31 < Eduardo> But first they want to develope their own prototypes and integrate all this in the Open Source community. And I am the first step - a simple analysis of Navit.
12:31 < arpy> Well, sometimes the first steps are a little hard to do, before you can run ;-) I'll survive ;-)
12:31 < Eduardo> My problem is that I have no frigging experience on: WinGW or CMake.
12:32 < Eduardo> My software development experience is more like Java, .NET, such stuff. So I am fighting here and I am *so* thankful for the help provided in this channel :) .
12:32 < arpy> @ Eduardo: Both you need, young Padawan :-)
12:32 < Eduardo> Now Navit is compiled. Hurray. But it does not run. Which was already prediceted in the wiki, http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/CMake , "Not everything is copied to the build directory, so navit may fail to start after build"
12:33 < Eduardo> My experience with IRC channels is also limited, so I feel really like a n00b . Red color means "message only I can see", I guess.
12:34 < Eduardo> Well, so... now it builds. But it does not run. if somebody has time to help, I am thankful. If not, I will continue my struggle for a while alone and the ask again here :) .
12:34 < arpy> I would so much like to write my Navit-Build-Instructions-for-Win32 to the wiki (as I added the CMake hint), but the Wiki page has some problems with my login session and won't let me login anymore, perhaps after a session timeout in a few hours...
12:34 < Eduardo> (I guess if somebody can help we can open a private conversation or such)
12:34 < Eduardo> arpy... let us chat in private. Maybe I can log in.
12:34 < arpy> do you have the map data structure alignment problem or does it not start at all?
12:35 < arpy> be my guest
12:35 < Eduardo> Not start at all. Are we disturbing here? Should we go to a private conversation?
12:36 < arpy> I am a Navit newbie myself, just managed to build and run in two weeks, I can only answer some basic questions! Maybe a private chat would not be that great therefore, as we need other's help...
12:38 < Eduardo> Maybe. Or maybe I can get your 2-week experience in half an hour and be a happy guy :D .
12:39 < woglinde_> Eduardo you defenitly will drop cp15 an email
12:40 < Eduardo> @woglinde_ : I will, if I am really stuck. Right now I have still hopes. Thanks to you, between other things :) .
12:40 < woglinde_> Eduardo btw. our company made/makes the polizei brandenburg project
12:41 < woglinde_> hm my
12:41 < woglinde_> *g*
12:41 < woglinde_> cp15 is on its own
12:41 < Eduardo> @woglinde_ : :)
12:41 < woglinde_> but he was involved too
12:41 < woglinde_> eduardo is genivi invovled?
12:42 < woglinde_> or cannt you talk about it
12:42 < Eduardo> @woglinde_ : I am not sure... this be the answer to both questions.Of course GENIVI established the plattform to follow, but I do not know much more on this.
12:43 < woglinde_> okay because in meego navit is installed
12:43 < Eduardo> (trying to make it run)
12:44 < woglinde_> hm but I wonder, I didnt heard genivi is using windows
12:45 <@cp15> Good morning
12:45 < woglinde_> he master
12:45 < Eduardo> :D True. This here is the beginning of the beginning of the beginning. I am just trying to analyse a bit Navit, and for that I am installing the development in my computer.
12:45 < Eduardo> Hello, Yoda. I mean, cp15.
12:46 < woglinde_> Eduardo hm you could have setup a vm with linux and would have been maybee faster
12:46 < woglinde_> ;)
12:46 < Eduardo> (trying to find out what I must copy in the build directory to make navit start)
12:46 <@cp15> How I help can you? ;-)
12:46 < Eduardo> woglinde_ Maybe, yes. Now it is too late :D .
12:46 < woglinde_> cp15 Eduardo solved his problems on his owns
12:46 < Eduardo> cp15: I could compile in Windows! So happy! But it does not run.
12:46 < woglinde_> after a little guiding
12:46 < Eduardo> << big guiding
12:47 < woglinde_> oh okay
12:47 <@cp15> What is in the navit.log?
12:47 < Eduardo> cp15: I am stuck in the line "Not everything is copied to the build directory, so navit may fail to start after build". It does fail.
12:47 < Eduardo> A lot of things, master. I make a pastebin :)
12:47 < woglinde_> eduardo did you run make install?
12:47 < woglinde_> and start navit from the install dir?
12:48 < Eduardo> http://pastebin.com/JuY9jJFR
12:48 < Eduardo> Nope, woglinde... I will try, then...
12:48 <@cp15> Doesn't look too bad
12:49 <@cp15> Am I right you haven't modified navit.xml?
12:49 < Eduardo> Correct.
12:49 < Eduardo> I made a copy, navit.xml.local, but still unchanged.
12:49 <@cp15> Look for " navit:navit_init:no graphics
12:50 < Eduardo> Done.
12:50 < woglinde_> yes
12:50 < Eduardo> I do not understand that woglinde said right now... do I "make install" ?
12:50 < woglinde_> cp15 btw. what was the fix with null graphic and event_loop running
12:51 < woglinde_> so dbus works
12:51 < Eduardo> It started! White screen, but the menu came :)
12:51 < woglinde_> yes
12:51 < woglinde_> so no map
12:51 < woglinde_> maybee
12:51 < woglinde_> or wrong position
12:51 < Eduardo> I copied some maps in "map" directory...
12:51 <@cp15> make install is not needed if you are just developing, it will run out of the source tree
12:51 < Eduardo> But yes, wrong position probably.
12:51 < Eduardo> I can correct that. I know how :)
12:52 < arpy> From my little expierience, if you install MinGW, GTK+, CMake, the build configuration will work and the build will run. But Having maps is another thing.
12:52 < woglinde_> eduardo maps have to enabled via an tag and and