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09:14 < Number6> Morning
09:18 < kenguest> hmm.
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11:58 < CIA-69> norad * r4679 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/sdl/graphics_sdl.c: Patch:graphics/sdl:use dbg instead of printf
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16:49 <@cp15_> Good evening
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17:04 < korrosa> Evening all.
17:05 < korrosa> [TRAC] Nothing to report :(
17:05 < korrosa> Or :)
17:06 <@cp15> :-)
17:07 <@cp15> Did I miss something during the camp?
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17:10 < korrosa> cp15: http://irclogs.navit.ie
17:10 < korrosa> ;)
17:11 <@cp15> tl;dr :-)
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17:11 < BrainDamage> zombie invasion & free candy in your absence
17:12 <@cp15> Oh no :-) Should have stayed
17:14 < korrosa> cp15: tl;dr: not much, if I remember correctly.
17:15 < korrosa> Speaking selfishly - some of my patches have been sitting on trac waiting to get committed for a while now...
17:16 <@cp15> Ok, tell me what to do :-)
17:16 < korrosa> #900, #899.
17:17 < korrosa> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/900, http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/899.
17:17 < korrosa> If you like them, commit!
17:18 < BrainDamage> say, I'd write a patch to add sensor feed for android into navit, would it be relatively easy not knowing the codebase, or would I need to study the code structure first?
17:18 < BrainDamage> I'm considering plugging in a kalman filter IMU from compass, accel & gyro readings
17:19 < korrosa> cp15: Oh, something interesting did happen: umlauts not showing using GR maps on Android - http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/916
17:20 < BrainDamage> it woulg give heading even while still, and allow position estimation even if gps signal is lacking ( useful in tunnels, etc )
17:20 <@cp15> Someone is indeed using m&g on android? I didn't expect that to work at all
17:20 <@cp15> BrainDamage, that would be great. There is some code for reading the sensors in plugin/pedestrian
17:20 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4680 /trunk/navit/navit/navit_shipped.xml: Add:Core:Car profile to avoid toll roads, ticket #900|Thanks korrosa
17:21 <@cp15> It could use some more abstraction and improvement
17:21 < BrainDamage> cp15: yes, almost all the navigators I've seen on android actually rely on the compass to get an heading estimation while still
17:21 <@cp15> Actually using it for position estimation probably isn't easy...
17:22 < BrainDamage> yes, to get position estimation you need to write an IMU, and kalman filters, which isn't too trivial
17:22 < BrainDamage> esp since the sensors tend to have shoddy calibration
17:22 < korrosa> cp15: Yes, see http://irclogs.navit.ie/%23navit-2011-08-13.log from 1051hrs onwards
17:23 < Number6> It was rather quiet while you were gone, cp15
17:23 <@cp15> It could sit in some random angle on the co-drivers seat, mounted on the front shield with varying angles and so on
17:25 <@cp15> There was also an interesting talk about intertial navigation on the camp, but it was more orientated at rockets
17:25 <@cp15> I doubt the acceleration measures are good enough to do this for cars
17:26 < BrainDamage> cp15: random angle is no problem at all, the accelerometer is 3d, and you can extract the gravity vector from it
17:26 < BrainDamage> and magnetometer is 3d as well iirc
17:27 <@cp15> Well, still you need to do some calibration based on gps. You can't assume the car is driving in direction of the display
17:28 < BrainDamage> while it's moving, gps position derivate is way better ofc
17:28 < BrainDamage> I'm talking while still, or gps signal absent
17:29 <@cp15> You need to determine the orientation of the device when you have a gps signal to use it when you have none
17:31 < BrainDamage> yup, but I think it's better than nothing
17:32 <@cp15> Sure it is, if you want to work on it you are more than welcome
17:33 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4681 /trunk/navit/navit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add:Core:Distinguish between atm and bank, fixes #899|Thanks korrosa
17:35 <@cp15> korrosa, anything else which is tested, reasonable and waiting to be applied?
17:53 < korrosa> cp15: Some recent patches attached to tickets: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/699#comment:1, http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/750, http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/911
17:54 < korrosa> And one from wogline: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/915
17:54 < korrosa> I can't confirm if they're tested and reasonable though....
17:57 < korrosa> [TRAC] Ticket closed http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/899 "Internal gui poi filter minor improvements"
17:57 < korrosa> [TRAC] Ticket closed http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/900 "Add vehicle profile to avoid toll roads during routing"
18:08 <@cp15> Ok, for #699 and #911 I would like to have some testing first
18:08 <@cp15> And an actual patch
18:09 <@cp15> I have to think about #750
18:10 <@cp15> I don't like #915 the way it is, change event_loop to event_system, make it a string attribute which contains the event system
18:22 < korrosa> cp15: Some background to #750: the fact that those on Android need a rooted phone to get to their navit.xml (and other files) is probably the most complained about thing with Android. (And I know you can get it from the apk, blah, blah, but for an average user that won't do!)
18:23 < BrainDamage> yup, you could simply make android copy the navit.xml to /sdcard/navit/navit.xml.example
18:23 < BrainDamage> then the user can rename it, and use as he likes
18:26 < korrosa> I'd go so far as to say that the user shouldn't need to rename it at all.
18:27 < korrosa> cp15: Also had this weird report about Android map downloading: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/914
18:27 < korrosa> weird=wierd. Whatever!!
18:28 < BrainDamage> korrosa: then you have a problem, say the user never wanted to touch the navit.xml, this way he won't get navit.xml updates
18:28 < BrainDamage> because the one inside the .apk will, but the one in the user dir will not
18:28 < BrainDamage> unless you want to risk overwriting custom settings
18:29 < BrainDamage> then it means you'd have to compare the navit.xml with old versions of navit, see if it's a verbatim copy, and replace if necessary
18:29 < BrainDamage> all in all quite complicated compared to a different name for template
18:29 < BrainDamage> which can be replaced every boot
18:29 < korrosa> True. I'm thinking of those users downloading and installing from the market (not those installing from the apk, as I would assume those users have slightly more computer savvy) - perhaps a question box "Would you like to overwrite your version of navit.xml with the new version?".
18:30 < korrosa> Indeed quite complicated.
18:30 < korrosa> Actually, BrainDamage, are you using Navit on an Android?
18:30 < BrainDamage> I do
18:30 < korrosa> Can you check http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/914 and see if it happens to you?
18:31 < BrainDamage> I'll update my navit first, gimme few mins because I'm also in another convo
18:31 < korrosa> No prob, I'm not always on the keyboard either!
18:31 <@cp15> I assume this is because of the very short (20 seconds) timeout on the map download
18:32 <@cp15> But since restart should work on current svn, this shouldn't be much of a problem
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21:18 < Number6> How can you take something as pure as C, and tack on so much rubbish and bloat.
22:01 < woglinde> what?
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22:45 < Nido> BrainDamage: I don't know how it works on android, but can't you have a global navit.xml in something like /etc and have users who want to change it copy it to their homedir?
22:48 <@cp15> Hi Nido, back from the camp?
22:49 <@cp15> Problem here is that it is android: It doesn't have things like /home or /etc
22:50 < BrainDamage> only readble folder for the user is the sdcard
22:51 < BrainDamage> anything else, requires rooting, which is somehow complicated, and voids warranty
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23:18 < Nido> cp15: yup. back home
23:18 < Nido> charging my phone to flash it. seems a good idea since it has been on the wifi, and only supports 8 character password
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23:33 <@cp15> I will go to bed now
23:33 <@cp15> Good night
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23:48 < Nido> sleep well
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