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00:40 < LionKMP> I got all nmea files 0 byte so far. <log enabled="yes" type="nmea" data="track_%Y%m%d-%i.nmea" flush_size="1048576" flush_time="900"/>
00:44 < LionKMP> well, I'll try another day. good night.
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06:29 <@Horwitz> morgen
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09:23 < Number6> Morning
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09:31 < kenguest> goat moaning
09:31 < woglinde> hi
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09:50 < ICE-B> hi
09:50 < Number6> Greetings, ICE-B
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09:54 < ICE-B> i got a problem compiling the header "version.h" ist looking for the "BASH" ! is it really necessary?
09:54 < woglinde> hi number6
09:54 < woglinde> hi ice-b
09:54 < woglinde> hm
09:54 < woglinde> first version.h is not compiled
09:54 < woglinde> it is assembled
09:54 < woglinde> and seconds I think this comes from autotools
09:54 < woglinde> let me see
09:55 < woglinde> hm okay Makefile.am
09:56 < woglinde> and thats using echo
09:56 < woglinde> echo is not bash specfic
09:56 < ICE-B> right
09:56 < woglinde> echo and if then
09:56 < woglinde> so no bashisms
09:56 < woglinde> fix your setup
09:57  * woglinde runs
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10:03 < woglinde> ICE-B does it working now?
10:03 < woglinde> otherwise try cmake
10:03 < ICE-B> hold on...pls
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10:09 < woglinde> hi noradtux
10:09 < ICE-B> woglinde: it works
10:09 < woglinde> noradtux do you will buy the pre3?
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10:20 < noradtux> hi woglinde
10:20 < noradtux> don't know
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10:43 < CIA-69> woglinde * r4686 /trunk/navit/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:Build:Use android subdir only when building for android, closes partly ticket#832
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11:10 < AlexWien> Hi
11:11 < AlexWien> Question to cp15: Do the (route graph-) segments have a dedicated id? ( i did not find one); Do the streets (=item) have an id ?
11:22 <@cp15> Yes, they have. It consists of 2 32 bit integers
11:23 < woglinde> gm cp15
11:24 <@cp15> route_graph_segment contains route_graph_segment_data which contains a pointer to item which contains id_hi and id_lo
11:24 < AlexWien> ah fine
11:24 < woglinde> cp15 hm I want to close bug 832
11:24 < woglinde> but I need one comment from you to http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/832/fix-cmake.2.patch
11:25 < woglinde> on navit_macros.cmake
11:25 < AlexWien> woge: do you know whether these both ids, are specific for the navit map, or are they identical an open street map id?
11:26 <@cp15> The ids are only identical for the same map
11:26 < AlexWien> identical to the open street map, from the import
11:26 < AlexWien> ok, ao they are generated by navait, or by open street map?
11:26 <@cp15> woglinde, you can apply it
11:26 <@cp15> By navit
11:27 < AlexWien> ok thanks,
11:27 <@cp15> The first id references the tile, the second the offset within the tile
11:27 < AlexWien> bye the wa on my "fastmachine" routing  need about 2 seconds. not neasured but counted (21, 22)
11:27 <@cp15> But you can get an osm id from it if necessary
11:27 < woglinde> cp15 thanks wasnt 100% sure about it
11:28 <@cp15> I am also not 100% sure, but since we don't do android builds with cmake yet it shouldn't harm
11:28 < AlexWien> the question behind that: if the navit internela segments have to be referneced by an extern al system, whether it is neccessary to read the navit generated map, or an open street map
11:30 < woglinde> cp15 the navit_macros.cmake isnt android specific
11:31 <@cp15> Hmm... Well, lets try out :-)
11:32 < woglinde> ah
11:32 < woglinde> pinis patch is right
11:33 < woglinde> otherwise set_with_reason(graphics/gd "FreeType library not found" FALSE)
11:33 < woglinde> the / isnt replaced with _
11:43 < woglinde> hm
11:43 < woglinde> CMake Error: Attempt to add a custom rule to output "/devel/arm/git/navit/navit/navit/xpm/country_ET_32_32.png.rule" which already has a custom rule
11:46 < woglinde> hm hm
11:46 < woglinde> looks like something didnt remove ET.svg
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12:16 < woglinde> good
12:16 < woglinde> my android fone arrived
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14:40 < mase76> hi!
14:41 < mase76> are marco polo reiseplaner maps still the recommended for navit? the last version is 2008 / 2009, quite old.
14:41 < mase76> for now i use osm.
14:42 < woglinde> recommended?
14:42 < woglinde> who said that?
14:43 < mase76> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/European_maps
14:45 < mase76> i like osm very much. but there are no house numbers and there should be a routing issue to route directly through the city, instead of around it. the wiki says so.
14:45 < woglinde> mase76 90% are using the osm maps
14:46 < woglinde> or 98
14:46 < mase76> i believe
14:46 < woglinde> I will edit the page
14:46 < mase76> are housenumbers working for you?
14:47 < woglinde> no
14:47 < woglinde> housenumber searching dont works
14:47 < mase76> and routing around a city?
14:47 < woglinde> and it depends on the osm data too
14:47 < woglinde> around a city only partly
14:51 < mase76> btw: can you recommend a speedcam source for europe, which provides direction data? these i am using have no. so when passing the cam, the distance increases again.
14:52 < woglinde> sorry I didnt play with the speedcam stuff
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14:57 < korrosa> What is all this blasphemy going on - no housenumber search?
14:57 < korrosa> Mine certainly works!
14:58 < korrosa> (Of course, you need the housenumber data in the OSM data, but once that's there, housenumber searching should work....)
15:08 < woglinde> korrosa on android?
15:31 < korrosa> Nah, on my netbook. Didn't realise we were talking about droids.
16:26 <@cp15> korrosa, with which method?
16:26 < korrosa> Um, I thought both - the official method and the POI search method.
16:26 < korrosa> Now you've got me thinking twice - I'll check later.
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18:16 < korrosa> OK, tried out house number search.
18:17 < korrosa> Town->Street->House Number : I type in the first number, and a list appears, then Navit segfaults and quits.
18:18 < korrosa> POIs->Text filter: I type in the first number, a list appears, then Navit segfaults and quits.
18:18 < korrosa> POIs->Text Filter: I type in the name of the street, and search, and get a list of housenumbers on that street. This is the only method that works.
18:19 < korrosa> CORRECTION: POIs->Text filter: I type in the first number, then Navit segfaults and quits.
18:19 < korrosa> Hope this helps cp15 and woglinde!
18:30 <@cp15> I love segfaults :-) They always spot the problem. What data are you entering?
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18:44 < korrosa> cp15: For the numbers, literally all I do is enter the number 1
18:54 < korrosa> Actually, when I say segfault, I mean Navit crashes and I get a small gdb output. I'm a retard with words! See http://pastebin.com/4ALMj87W
18:55 < Number6> sigsegv is a segfault
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19:42 < AlexWien> Hi
19:43 < AlexWien> @Korossa, Cp I saw your message about seg fault when typing a house number
19:43 <@cp15> And you have a patch? Great :-)
19:43 < AlexWien> During our win32 build we have detcted that bug too. I have corrected it
19:43 < AlexWien> but its not a formal patch
19:43 < woglinde> korrosa backtraces please
19:43 < AlexWien> I already wrote that topic to yopu cp last week
19:44 < woglinde> ah
19:44 < AlexWien> for some reason the street name is nULL
19:44 <@cp15> Ah, ok, now I remember
19:44 < woglinde> args this backtrace dont help much
19:44 < AlexWien> the house number is not NULL
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19:44 < AlexWien> there is copy %s %s , which cuases the crash
19:44 < woglinde> alexwien than fix it
19:45  * woglinde runs
19:45 < AlexWien> teh interesting thing is, when it crashes, it was the wrong hosuenumber ;-)
19:45 < AlexWien> that means a hosue number not existing (a number which has to be interpolated)
19:46 < AlexWien> I can post the code her, its only one line
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19:47 < AlexWien> buts its not a end user fix, because navit seems to dispaly wrong street names, when it does not find the hosue number
19:48 < AlexWien> e.g I search for Burggasse 33, it is  not in the map, it offers me other streets (at least in an oler navit version 0.2?) whioch are nearby and have that holusenumber existing
19:48 < woglinde> pastebin please
19:48 < AlexWien> in that cas street name is NULL,
19:48 < AlexWien> in that case i chnage the street name to invalid, that look slike
19:48 < AlexWien> "inavlid 33"
19:49 < AlexWien> invalid 33"
19:49 < AlexWien> Moment
19:49 < woglinde> hm in 0.2 there wasnt real housenumber searching
19:51 < AlexWien> Dont know, but i remeber a version which showed other streets in thelist below, because in the seached streets the number is not found
19:51 < AlexWien> it showed me 10 othe rstreets nearby,
19:52 < AlexWien> This feature seems to be gone, instead a NULL pointer crash
19:54 < AlexWien> Ok, it try to post it to pastbin
19:56 < AlexWien> House number (crash avoidance) http://pastebin.com/1GRUEUkq
19:58 < woglinde> hm this is not a patch
19:58 < AlexWien> With this (ugly) fix, you can at least determine whether the housenumber is valid: in that case you see the street name and the number in the search list, or invalid
19:58 < woglinde> but thanks
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19:58 < AlexWien> its file: /gui/internal/gui_internal.c
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19:59 < korrosa> Still need my backtrace? (If so, you'll have to tell me how to do it again, as I've forgotten...)
19:59 < AlexWien> It seems, that only hosue numbers which are visible in the map, are currently found
20:01 < AlexWien> Question: Can the routing be configured to take exactly the shortest route? (instead of least delay)?
20:03 < korrosa> AlexWien: Yes.
20:03 < korrosa> You can change route_weight to the same value.
20:03 < korrosa> i.e. all roads have equal weighting, so shortest route should be chosen.
20:04 < AlexWien> Super how?
20:05 < AlexWien> ok, in the navit.xml
20:05 < AlexWien> or hard coded?
20:05 < Number6> Navit.xml
20:06 < AlexWien> ok
20:06 < Number6> Change the route_weight to, say, 20 for all roads
20:06 < Number6> It's not ideal, though. Small roads that you can't travel at speed through will be routable
20:06 < korrosa> AlexWien: Yeah, sorry: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options and ctrl+f "route_weight"
20:07 < AlexWien> ok, that are good news
20:17 < AlexWien> I´ll leave now,
20:17 <@cp15> This is within some limits, you can't calculate the shortest route between munich and vienna for example, it works only well on distances < 40 km
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20:22 < korrosa> Soooo, do we have a fix for the segfault now?
20:27 < woglinde> korrosa start navit via gdb
20:27 < woglinde> gdb navit
20:27 < woglinde> than type run
20:27 < woglinde> when segfault
20:27 < woglinde> bt
20:27 < woglinde> and now write a bloody wiki page
20:27 < woglinde> so you dont forget it again
20:30 < woglinde> korrosa looking at alex code its a classic null pointer
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20:31 < woglinde> hm I wonder why the source analyzing tool didnt found it
20:31 < woglinde> in internal gui
20:34 < korrosa> Pastebin for the old man: http://pastebin.com/EK19zKiC
20:35 < woglinde> who do you mean?
20:35 < woglinde> me or cp15?
20:36 < korrosa> aaaaand, here's the whole thing: http://pastebin.com/pbyMqeLr
20:36 < korrosa> And woglinde, you're the only grandpa here...
20:37 < woglinde> good now everybody knows where you live
20:37 < woglinde> korrosa not yet
20:41 < korrosa> Come round - party at 10!
20:46 < woglinde> hm 441
20:46 < woglinde> in command } else if (op[0] == '(') {
20:49 < woglinde> korrosa hm looks something with your speedlimit stuff configured
20:50 < korrosa> I configured speed limits?
20:50 < woglinde> calling command 'set_attr_var("item_attr",   map_add_curr_pos("csv_speed_limit_map","poi_rail_halt") ) ; map_item_set_attr("csv_speed_limit_map",  get_attr_var("item_attr") , "label"  , "70mph") , map_item_set_attr("csv_speed_limit_map",  get_attr_var("item_attr") , "position_time_iso8601"  , vehicle.position_time_iso8601) '
20:51 < korrosa> Ah, yeah.
20:51 < korrosa> That's a dandor special.
20:51 < Number6> That sounds naughty
20:51 < woglinde> and looks like op[0] points to crap
20:51 < woglinde> at this point
20:52 < korrosa> Well, that solved the crash!
20:53 < korrosa> I do get a lot of entries with NULL as the street name though, as AlexWein said.
20:53 < woglinde> korrosa ah I think , "70mph")
20:53 < woglinde> is the problem
20:54 < woglinde> ah no
20:54 < woglinde> sorry
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21:35 < dandor> ping  korrosa
21:44 < Number6> noradtux will not be happy. HP have killed WebOS
21:45 <@cp15> What? They released some new hardware recently
21:46 <@cp15> What do they want to use as alternative?
21:46 < Number6> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/18/hp_kills_webos_tablets_and_phones/
21:47 <@cp15> Strange, their tablet got good critics
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21:48 < Number6> Yeah, and Pre3 was just released over in the UK for £299
21:49 <@cp15> Ok, they mention that Best Buy has 250 000 unsold tablets... Quite some value
21:50 < Number6> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/robb Today's press release from LinuxCon :-)
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21:51 < LionKMP> Hi
21:51 < LionKMP> I cannot get Navit follow vehicle
21:51 < LionKMP> any ideas? OpenMoko.
21:52 < LionKMP> hm... it does follow, but "too late", if you know what I mean.
21:53 < LionKMP> did you see my messages? I didn't register, using the freenode web client... weird. :)
21:54 < korrosa> dandor, pong
21:54 < dandor> hi korrosa
21:54 < korrosa> LionKMP: Try the "lag" attribute.
21:54 < dandor> korrosa,  is the crash triggered when you press the button with that command?
21:55 < korrosa> LionKMP: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit/Full_list_of_options ctrl+f "lag"
21:55 < LionKMP> korrosa: thanks, I check the docs
21:56 < LionKMP> no,no this is about tenth of seconds. I mean, the cursor goes out from the screen slowly and I wait 1-2 more mintues, then screen jumps to view again and repeat.
21:56 < korrosa> LionKMP: Sounds like a very slow device!
21:57 < LionKMP> the GPS cursor goes through the whole screen and even beyond. I guess it should stay within near the center of the screen.
21:57 < korrosa> dandor: Well, I dunno. I thought it crashed after I typed "1", but I don't have a command associated with that. Lemme check...
21:58 < LionKMP> no, it's not so slow :) 433 mhz, etc.. how should it look on decent device?
21:59 < dandor> LionKMP, do you have  follow="1" in your vehicle tag in navit.xml?
21:59 < LionKMP> dandor: cannot I change that using the GUI, there is an option.. (finding)
22:00 < LionKMP> "Map follows vehicle".
22:00 < dandor> LionKMP, I think there is no such option in the gui you need to edit your navit.xml
22:00 < korrosa> dandor: Yeah, it's when I use the command. Here's what I have in my OSD xml: http://pastebin.com/17ZkrDe1
22:00 < LionKMP> ok, I try to check
22:01 < dandor> korrosa, can you paste also your map line for the csv map?
22:02 < korrosa> :)
22:02 < korrosa> You little devil - I had the map entry commented out....
22:02 < korrosa> IGNORE ME!!
22:02 < dandor> :D
22:02 < LionKMP> dandor: are you the "Dandor" OSM user, dawing OSM in Hungary? Can I mail you somewhere when I have questions regarding your edits please?
22:03 < dandor> anyway  it may  worth adding a check for the existance of the map
22:03 < CIA-69> martin-s * r4687 /trunk/navit/navit/debug.c: Fix:Core:Avoid name clash with some libpthread
22:03 < korrosa> dandor: Perhaps. But more importantly, I think keybindings should be disabled when in the menu...
22:04 < dandor> LionKMP, yes
22:05 < dandor> you can leave me a message on the osm.org webpage also
22:05 < LionKMP> ok, great, I didn't know you receive that. I'll do :) thank you.
22:06 < dandor> korrosa, yep that would also be a good idea
22:07 < dandor> LionKMP, I never check it but now i will :)
22:07 < korrosa> dandor, LionKMP: OSM messages should appear in your email inbox?! They do for me!
22:08 < LionKMP> dandor: or tell me your email to lion@netngine.hu please. sometimes I want to ask clarification before I modify something (e.g. possibly wrongly classified roads)
22:08 < LionKMP> korrosa: I do receive, yes.
22:09 < korrosa> Number6 - email redaction please!!
22:10 < LionKMP> ?
22:10 < Number6> ah ffs
22:10 < Number6> That breaks the feicken logger
22:10 < LionKMP> email address? sorry :(
22:12 < korrosa> No problem for us LionKMP - it's just this channel is publicly logged so we don't want you getting spammed!
22:14 <@cp15> Google has 7750 hits for this email address, so one more probably doesn't change much
22:15 < LionKMP> I don't mind, I have spam protection (filters 100 or more every day, all my addresses follow there, some are 15+ years old, found on many places on the net :-) one more or less..)
22:15 < LionKMP> cp15: yep :)
22:16 < LionKMP> I added follow="1", I try in the garden (or if not enough. I'll try tomorrow) back in 10 mins. thanks so far!
22:18 <@cp15> The freerunner will be probably too slow for this
22:27 < LionKMP> do you recommend a bigger value? I don't know how often a "GPS update" is.
22:27 < LionKMP> anything would be better than manually dragging the map :)
22:27 < LionKMP> I cannot test now :(
22:29 <@cp15> Actually the map should be re-centered when the cursor leaves it
22:29 < LionKMP> yes it worked that way
22:30 <@cp15> if follow="1" doesn't work well, you can try a higher value. The map will then be re-centered every x gps update
22:31 < LionKMP> do you know how often is a GPS update? :-) 1 seconds? 0.1 seconds?
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22:32 <@cp15> Normally 1 second, but the gps on the freerunner can be switched to 0.25 seconds
22:32 < LionKMP> I'll try some values tomorrow. I start with 10.
22:33 < LionKMP> ok
22:33 < LionKMP> btw, navit looks great, thanks guys and keep up the good work!
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