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14:12 < Number6> Maps5 is back
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14:36 < pb_8> hi Number6 did you have an idea about the opaque box for the speed_cam module under wince?
14:38 < pb_8> as in #777
14:43 < Number6> Can you take a screenshot, pb_8?
15:24 < CIA-89> martin-s * r4725 /trunk/navit/navit/start_real.c: Fix:Core:Better return codes
15:25 < CIA-89> martin-s * r4726 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/cocoa/graphics_cocoa.m: Add:graphics_cocoa:Implement draw_drag to let cursor move
15:25 < CIA-89> martin-s * r4727 /trunk/navit/navit/xslt/iphone.xslt: Fix:xslt:Better iphone map location
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16:14 < pb_8> Number6: I could photograph the device probably, but what you see is a white rectangle with the dimensions specified for the speed_cam field, regardless of any background settings.
16:16 < pb_8> I have no real speedcam nearby, so in order to test if it at least recognises one I would need to make a dummy entry in my csv file
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18:30 < dandor> pb_8 in case  you read the logs:
18:31 < dandor> speedcam osd is disabled when the camera is out of range(the range is speed dependent)
18:31 < dandor> maybe the osd disable handling is the problem in case of wince graphics
18:33 < dandor> does  the problem exist when you are in range?
18:56 < dandor> Number6, ping
18:56 < Number6> Bonjour
18:56 < dandor> Number6, do you know which graphics driver is used for wince?
19:00 < Number6> gtk drawing area, iirc
19:02 < dandor> ok thanks
19:05 <@cp15> win32
19:06 < dandor> cp15 hi and thanks
19:06 <@cp15> Hi dandor
19:07 <@cp15> How far did you get with the osd[@something="xx"] stuff?
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19:08 < dandor> i did a prototype for the  parser  of the filter expression
19:09 < dandor> currently it is a separate program and does recursive descent parsing
19:10 < dandor> i would like to be able to filter objects like osd[attr1=1 &&attr2=2][2]
19:10 <@cp15> Yes, that would be great :-)
19:10 < dandor> the [2] at the end means the 2nd object that matches the expression
19:11 < dandor> currently i don't have much time but i'm progressing slowly :)
19:13 < dandor> the expression parser works pretty well now but i need some work to integrate it into navit
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19:20 <@cp15> If you have something to look at I would be interested
19:21 < antenna1> dandor did you add your patch for access key deactivation  to svn yet?
19:24 < Benja1972> hi all! do you know why poi_water_tiled sometime cover land area? i am getting under the water big part of France and other countries...
19:26 <@cp15> Yes, because some OSM user did something wrong and made the coastline of a lake the wrong way round: Water is outside instead of inside
19:26 < Benja1972> oh  i see...and how to correct it?
19:28 < dandor> cp15, the actual version is under reconstruction so it is not yet working but i have an older one
19:28 < dandor> but it is not very useful in that state
19:28 < dandor> http://www.2shared.com/file/dCwJ3qJn/expr.html
19:28 <@cp15> Benja1972, find the lake (not an easy task) and turn its coastline around
19:29 <@cp15> If you want to take care of the problem on a regular basis I could add some information to make it easier to find the lake
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19:30 < Benja1972> as i suspect...i need to fine incorectly defined lake...ok. thank...i will try
19:30 < dandor> antenna1, not yet, i would like to get it reviewed by cp15
19:31 <@cp15> Well, as I said if you want to take care of it more than one time I will add something that makes finding it easier
19:32 < Benja1972> ok, i am not sure i will make every time, but i will correct every time whene i meet the problem
19:33 <@cp15> Fair enough I would say :-)
19:33 <@cp15> I will check the code... Probably it is possible to add the osm id of the flooding object to the flooded area
19:34 <@cp15> So you can view the attributes of a flooded area to find out who is the culprit
19:35 < Benja1972> ok, would be nice
19:40 < dandor> cp15, can you take a quick look at this patch?
19:40 < dandor> http://www.2shared.com/file/EL6txIVL/navit_no_accesskey_in_menu.html
19:41 < dandor> this disables accesskey handling when the osd is disabled (eg the user in menu)
19:41 < dandor> *is in the menu
19:49 <@cp15> Servers its purpose I think. Please commit
19:51 < dandor> ok
19:51 < dandor> cp15, the parser i linked is an older version which only recognised expression syntax, this one can evaluate also: http://www.2shared.com/file/p9Z1o4xd/expr.html
19:51 < dandor> however it is in very experimental state
19:55 <@cp15> Doesn't look to bad. But of course it should not have a dependency on navit, it should work on any object
19:56 < dandor> yes i planned to work that way
19:58 < dandor> any object with get/set attr capability supposed work
20:00 <@cp15> Yep, thats how I like it
20:01 <@cp15> And it also must have an attr_iter, else you can't loop through the attributes
20:01 < dandor> yes as you implemented it last time for osd items in navit.c
20:03 <@cp15> Exactly
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20:11 < korrosa> Evening guys!
20:11 < korrosa> Trac's been very boring over the weekend!
20:12 < korrosa> [TRAC] New comment/essay http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/456#comment:37 "route >80km is not calculated"
20:12 < korrosa> [TRAC] New comment http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/777#comment:15 "speed_cam OSD doesn't draw correctly"
20:13 < korrosa> That's all folks.
20:13 < korrosa> ...and then there's those three with new-ish patches which could do with a review: hours: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/922, http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/917#comment:10 and http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/923
20:16 < antenna1> korrosa could you give the GUI a try?
20:19 < korrosa> Oh, god yes - gimme!!
20:19 < antenna1> :D
20:21 < CIA-89> tegzed * r4728 /trunk/navit/navit/ (graphics.c graphics.h osd.c): fix:core:Do not handle accesskeys for disabled OSDs or when the user is in the menu
20:22 < korrosa> dandor is a GOD!
20:24  * Number6 stabs korrosa 
20:25 < korrosa> pft, come back to me when you've got a Navit enabled on a Java-phone. That is, not a smartphone. Then your status shall be elevated.
20:28 < dandor> korrosa, no, I'm just a dilettante :)
20:30 < Number6> Java is the work of the devil. C for( ;life; )
20:31 < korrosa> Oh man, he even uses words of the Gods - put your hand up if you knew what "dilettante" was. Be honest.
20:36 < korrosa> bbiab
21:08 < LetzFetz> how often is the data in the map extractor updated?
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21:10 < Number6> LetzFetz: Daily
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21:11 < LetzFetz> thx
21:12 < Number6> LetzFetz: Do NOT use a download manager to download maps. We run a load balancer, so you'll always get the best server possible
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21:12 < LetzFetz> :D yeah, I heard you yesterday cursing someone who used one ^^
21:13 < Number6> Yes. Thankfully I didn't have to drive the 4 hours to reboot the server this time
21:13 < LetzFetz> wtf
21:13 < Number6> Why do you think I was complaining so much :-)
21:14 < LetzFetz> I always thought in a data center there are people who do that or using a remote console...
21:16 < Number6> In a proper data center, yeah. But that server is in a closet in the university
21:18 < Number6> Most data centers charge you for a hands on reboot. Unless you have a fancy PDU
21:20 < korrosa> Laters all!
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21:21 < LetzFetz> you are from germany, arent you?^^
21:21 < Number6> No, Ireland
21:21 < Number6> But the German people adore me, because I look like Steffan Raab
21:21 < LetzFetz> ok :/ tracing the maps server leads to a german server :D
21:21 < LetzFetz> :D
21:21 < Number6> Yeah, load balancer. We have multiple servers :-)
21:22 < Number6> What domain is in your address bar?
21:22 < LetzFetz> so what had happened if a german server had crashed? taking a flight to germany?^^
21:23 < Number6> Nope, remote reboot. The Irish ones don't have that feature
21:23 < LetzFetz> kk^^
21:23 < Number6> Mainly because they're not in a data centre, and I'm too lazy to set it up as there'd be downtime for the users
21:24 < LetzFetz> hm, but thinking that you have to drive 4 hours for a server to reboot is also a downtime, isn't it? :D
21:25 < Number6> It wouldn't be, if my co-worker from that office wasn't on holidays
21:25 < Number6> :)
21:26 < Number6> Next time, I'll get the night time security guard to use a paperclip
21:26 < antenna1> Number6: why do you not recommend to use download managers? Afaik you can download maps with e.g. wget and yet the load balancer is being used.
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21:31 < Number6> antenna1: The loadbalancer just passes you onto the best server at for you. So wget will work
21:32 < Number6> Download managers will create multiple concurrent connections. Each connection creates a heavyweight process on the server as the map segment needs to be pulled from the planet binfile
21:33 < Number6> So 1) You are stopping other people from downloading. 2) It's pointless, the servers are not rate limited 3) I will find you, and I will beat you
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22:18 < antenna1> you could place a warning on the wiki page which managers cause that effect
22:19 < Number6> I don't know which ones do, but it's only minor. It shouldn't happen again
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22:23 < antenna1> have you thought about limiting the number of connections for every IP?
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22:24 < Number6> Yes, that's what will happen
22:24 < Number6> I don't like having to do it, but it means not having to drive 4 hours to hit a reset button, so be it
22:29 < Number6> Night, all
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