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09:13 < Number6> Morning
09:14 < Rikky> morning Number6
09:19 < Number6> Morning, Rikky
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14:40 < rd> I get a core dump with qt_painter: http://pastebin.com/F27R98JZ on kubuntu. Can anybody help?
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19:18 < freinhard> hi!
19:20 < freinhard> i recently used navit a lot on windows mobile with some old hardware (yakumo delta 5) and noticed that scrolling the map on the same zoom is a lot slower on large map files (e.g. germany vs poland)
19:21 < freinhard> so i wonder where the best place would be to get rid of information i don't want to have shown in the map: e.g. i don't care about most types of landuse, nor buildings which aren't drawn propperly on the small screen anyways. so where would be the best place to filter data? in maptool or in osmosis to filter the .osm file?
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19:30 <@cp15> freinhard, you probably need to create your own map
19:31 <@cp15> Edit osm.c., remove the stuff you don't want and run maptool with -n or --ignore-unknown
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19:35 < woglinde_> cp15 ping
19:37 <@cp15> pong
19:44 < CIA-89> martin-s * r4762 /trunk/navit/navit/start_apple.m: Add:Core:Forgotten file
19:48 < freinhard> are there any plans to add support for cyrillic letters?
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19:51 <@cp15> freinhard, for the keyboard?
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20:28 < CIA-89> rikky * r4763 /trunk/navit/navit/android/src/org/navitproject/navit/NavitGraphics.java: Fix:android:Only send "ButtonDown" when needed. Fix for hanging map after pinch zoom or long press.
20:28 < CIA-89> rikky * r4764 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:android:Fix for using plugins with API 3 (Android 1.5)
20:28 < CIA-89> rikky * r4765 /trunk/navit/navit/android/src/org/navitproject/navit/NavitVehicle.java: Fix:android:Also remove fast location listener on navit shutdown
20:28 < CIA-89> rikky * r4766 /trunk/navit/navit/ (android.c android.h): Fix:android:Small cleanup
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20:37 < freinhard> cp15: yes, the on screen keyboard
20:38 < freinhard> cp15: i patched osm.c to use name:en where ever possible in countries that use cyrillic letters. that does help for mayor cities
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20:51 < tryagain> freinhard cyrillic is there, But it's good hidden ;)
20:51 < tryagain> go to the nubers and press АБВ
20:52 < tryagain> brb
21:03 < freinhard> tryagain: OH, NOES!!!
21:03 < freinhard> tryagain: that would have made navit like 10000 times more usefull within the two weeks in ukraine!
21:03 < Number6> :-D
21:10 < freinhard> i guess windows mobile 2003 isn't able to render them?
21:11 <@cp15> Does the cyrillic keyboard work on win mobile? There might be a font problem
21:11 < tryagain> unfortunately ukraine OSM is quite bad.
21:11 < tryagain> cp15 it works well
21:11 < tryagain> for me :)
21:11 < freinhard> well for long-distance travels and routing in kiev OSM was pretty good
21:12 < tryagain> on win ce 6.0
21:12 < freinhard> i had to do some modifications to the osm data
21:13 < freinhard> i added is_in=Ukraine for pace=village|town|city with a simple regex
21:13 < Number6> cp15: Not for me. It renders whitespace
21:13 < Number6> But my WinCE device is missing a million DLLs
21:16 < tryagain> I have a WinCE device built especially for Russian market.
21:17 < Number6> Ahh. Maybe I need to edit mine so it will use the correct locale, or buy one that's not as crap :-)
21:20 < tryagain> freinhard UA maps from http://www.travelgps.com.ua seem to be much better than osm ones. But these people are strange - they produce free maps but limit their map distribution formats to propertiary only.
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21:22 < freinhard> tryagain: that site is a massive training for my just-jet-gained skills of reading the cyrillic alphabet :)
21:23 < tryagain> :)
21:24 <@cp15> tryagain, what formats?
21:24 < tryagain> Navitel, for example. Its well known russian navigation software.
21:26 <@cp15> Maybe they want to add navit support?
21:26 < freinhard> tryagain: well first i guess i'll add the tag "THIS ROAD IS SH*T" to the E50 / M-12
21:27 < tryagain> freinhard is it more readable in such a way? http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.travelgps.com.ua%2Fforum%2F&act=url
21:28 < freinhard> tryagain: thx!
21:30 < tryagain> cp15 I had an idea to contact them but their license terms seem to be targeted to support only closed-source software and closed formats. They seem to afraid than somebody will create some map product based on their geo data.
21:31 < freinhard> tryagain: m-07, m-06: good roads, m-11 first 40km from Medyka to Lviv: shit, m-12: from Uman on one single break-your-car road, P49 comparable to m-12
21:32 < freinhard> i don't know if there's some wiki to store such information. at least on m12 your average won't be get above 70 in any case (even with a maniac beyond the steering wheel)
21:32 < freinhard> anyways, i think the first thing would be to add a ton of is_in tags to all sorts of stuff in the ukraine.
21:33 < tryagain> cp15 Something probably will be changed as Navitel is switched to new closed format which is not known to travelgps people and older closed format is not fully supported in new versions of navitel.
21:33 < tryagain> freinhard there's a no-no on our wiki on adding is_in
21:34 < tryagain> it's a deprecated feature on OSM
21:34 < freinhard> tryagain: that made the navit search work for cities in the ukraine
21:35 < tryagain> you may do it on your copy of osm data if it helps, but adding it on central osm database is not a good idea.
21:36 < freinhard> tryagain: yes, that's what i did. some simple regex did the trick
21:36 < drlizau> you may add is_in to osm data
21:36 < freinhard> tryagain: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in doesn't state that it is deprecated
21:37 < Number6> freinhard: OSM mappers are moving away from using it
21:37 < tryagain> quote: Please note that this tag is controversial and has sparked many hot discussions on several occasions.
21:37 < Number6> Aye, that too tryagain :-)
21:37 < drlizau> the wiki is written by people who change rules randomly
21:37 < drlizau> if is_in is needed for navigation, then add it
21:37 < drlizau> it does not destroy anything, or interfere with any other tag
21:38 < freinhard> i can imagine that, that tag has no certain value to be assigned to. is_in:<detail> looks better to me, but the is_in tag shouldn't be necessary if there are borders defining a country and areas defining place=village|town|city
21:39 < drlizau> osm itself is also splitting, or maybe splintering
21:40 < freinhard> critical mass reached?
21:41 < drlizau> australian mapping has slowed to minimal on osm now
21:41 < freinhard> besides: thank you for navit! made my old win mobile device usefull again!
21:42 < freinhard> drlizau: why that?
21:45 < drlizau> because of the licence change
21:45 < drlizau> even those who map on fosm are still not mapping as much
21:46 < drlizau> we have few mappers and a vast area - not like Germany or the UK
21:46 < drlizau> We imported some really useful stuff from the government, the suburb and town boundaries
21:47 < drlizau> and that stuff is not compatible with the new licence
21:47 < freinhard> hmm i think i'll have to take some time to read through that license thing.
21:48 < drlizau> pm me when you see me - its nearly time to go to work here
21:49 < freinhard> drlizau: east coast?
21:53 < drlizau> very much inland Australai
21:56 <@cp15> I will go to bed now
21:56 <@cp15> Good night
21:56 < woglinde_> nite cp15
21:57 < freinhard> so will i, good night!
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