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[b29ec657@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.158.198.87] has joined #navit 14:26 -!- GosuBuster [c2104702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.16.71.2] has joined #navit 14:32 < GosuBuster> Hi, is there someone who knows how to decrease the route graph's spreading? We have tried to make those "routing rectangles" smaller, but we can see that the route graph is always the same size. 14:37 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@2002:4e36:79fb::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@2002:4e36:79fb::1] has joined #navit 14:40 -!- noradtux|away is now known as noradtux 15:41 -!- sera [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:41 -!- sera [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has joined #navit 15:47 -!- mase76 [~mase76@ip-109-41-61-39.web.vodafone.de] has joined #navit 15:55 < curious> hmm, perhaps faq-grade question, but i could not find it myself : how to integrate data from service like www.openchargemap.org to navit? 15:56 < woglinde> as layer? 15:56 < curious> no, as poi's 15:56 < curious> as layer it uses openstreetmaps ,so there is little point 15:57 < woglinde> ? 15:57 < curious> well, i would like spots from map being searchable someway, like poi's 15:58 < woglinde> hm you need a new attribute 15:58 < woglinde> and editig maptool to integrate them 15:58 < curious> or perhaps i understand it wrong and it is already inside openstreetmaps and i should look for sth like amenity=power or sth in poi's? 15:58 < woglinde> yes 15:58 < woglinde> search for it 15:58 < woglinde> otherwise you need to add it 16:07 < curious> hmm, item_def.h does not list anything power outlet related 16:09 < woglinde> okay 16:09 < woglinde> you need to add it there 16:09 < woglinde> and in maptool osm.c too 16:10 < curious> nah. so in short, it means it can't be done without recompiling whole thing = user can't just add it 16:10 < curious> but thanx for help 16:23 -!- korrosa [c30285b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.133.182] has joined #navit 16:24 < korrosa> curious: You have other options. 16:24 < korrosa> One is to use a POI type which is not often used. 16:24 < korrosa> And just make all your changing stations appear on your map as that POI type. 16:24 < korrosa> Using either a textfile or csv format: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Maps#User-Created_Maps 16:25 < curious> yes, but those stations are not all alike. you have various grades of power 16:25 < korrosa> Depending on how many there are, just use different POI types. 16:25 < curious> so it would be nice to have proper icon 16:25 < korrosa> Well, the icon is settable by you. 16:25 < korrosa> So for example, there's not many zoo's in the world. 16:26 < korrosa> Use that POI type, and change it's icon in the layout. 16:27 < korrosa> I do this when plotting speed limits on roads. I use the railway station poi type, because it's easy to distinguish which is a railway station, and which isn't 16:27 < korrosa> (Unless the speed limit changes right on top of a level crossing...!) 16:28 < curious> yeah, i can quite figure out workaround. point is users hearing this will rather say 'or throw this thing away and get proper nav system' ;) 16:28 < korrosa> Absolutely, but I don't think Navit is for those users anyway. You've got to want to tinker. 16:28 < curious> in this case i also need those poi's in search 16:28 < korrosa> You will have them in search. 16:29 < korrosa> All POIs are searchable. 16:29 < curious> that's good news 16:32 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g225005235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33 -!- woglinde [~heinold@g230119040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 16:33 -!- kondrat1206 [b29ec657@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.158.198.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:38 -!- GosuBuster [c2104702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.16.71.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:48 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:58 < korrosa> curious: Yeah, tryagain implemented a text-based POI search, so you can search through all POIs 16:58 < korrosa> It's really good! 17:03 -!- korrosa [c30285b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.133.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08 -!- hexlotar [~quassel@border-dmz-link.opu.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-88-165.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #navit 17:57 -!- mase76 [~mase76@ip-109-41-61-39.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:59 -!- ebola_ [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-149-117.w109-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #navit 18:01 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-88-165.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:11 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 19:17 -!- niekie [quasselcor@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:45 -!- korrosa [~netbook@host-2-96-90-191.as13285.net] has joined #navit 19:45 < korrosa> curious, you around? 19:46 < korrosa> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/966#comment:1 19:50 < korrosa> I've found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Charging_station, but it looks like OpenChargeMap would also be a useful source. We should use the ticket to determine exactly the different types of POIs required, and what they would map to in OSM and OCM... 19:58 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06 -!- dandor [~dandor@91-82-67-212.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #navit 20:16 -!- dandor [~dandor@91-82-67-212.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17 < curious> i have not much ideas about openstreetmap nomenclature 20:17 < curious> i mean, they avoid stuff like this 20:17 < curious> like wifi - they consider it too dynamic 20:17 < curious> thus projects like openchargemap 20:17 < curious> well, they still put fuel stations to the map... those are aswell dynamic 20:17 < curious> but either way 20:18 -!- dandor [~dandor@91-82-67-212.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #navit 20:18 < curious> openchargemap seems to differentiate various access methods and various charging options 20:18 < curious> in most cases there is just plain electric outlet available, and mapped 20:18 < curious> not any proprietary 'charging station' 20:19 < curious> i do not know what sophiscation electric cars require , but i would expect they just use standard single phase current for slow charge and three phase current for fast charge 20:19 < curious> personally i can use plain electric outlet - i own electric bicycle :) 20:20 < curious> as for icons, i see there are various restrictions on use - some outlets are 'public' and some are 'private' 20:21 < curious> but unfortunatelly i am totally not sure how this all should be done 20:22 < curious> i expected those will be quite faq questions, as people tend to run on various stuff nowadays 20:23 < curious> i.e. hydrogen, biodiesel, ethanol 20:23 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:4e36:79fb::1] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:23 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:4e36:79fb::1] has joined #navit 20:23 < curious> in some countries and places some refuelling options are obvious , like in poland you don't even need sat-nav to find LPG station 20:24 < curious> it's just norm on any gas station, as 20% of cars run on LPG here 20:24 < curious> so ppl need LPG poi's only when going to countries like germany or spain 20:25 < curious> either way electric outlet has much wider use, i.e. you can use it to recharge laptop or whatever 20:26 -!- niekie [quasselcor@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #navit 20:26 < curious> korrosa, :) 20:31 < korrosa> Hold on now - are we talking about electrical outlets for refuelling, or electronic outlets in general? 20:32 < korrosa> I'll point out they're not avoiding charge points (for refuelling) hence my link to the wiki. 20:32 < korrosa> But yeah, no wifi access points. 20:33 < curious> i'm not sure how electric outlets would need to be much special for 'refuelling' except they need to be more powerfull for fast charge 20:34 < curious> but from small car or bicycle perspective you don't need much 'special' charging point , thus any publictly avail outlet will do 20:36 < curious> hmm, i see on plain wikipedia ad EV that they can recharge from ordinary outlets 20:36 < curious> except rapid charge ones seem to introduce proprietary solutions 20:37 < korrosa> OK, so the scope has changed quite a bit then. 20:39 < curious> and main 'charging station' article mentions 'mode 1' can be either single or three phase 20:42 < korrosa> curious: By the way, got a link to the pic of your bike? I see quite a few scooting past me up the hills on the way to work (bastards)! How long does a charge last (in km, for example)? 20:45 < curious> hm, reading charging station article is quite inconclusive, still, one thing is sure, mode1 is either single or three phase, and they supply public domain charge station sign 20:45 < curious> i guess some kind of 'type' key could be just used to let users find their proprietary subtype if they need it 20:46 < curious> and i guess all the quick charge solutions will be incompatible across vendors so ppl will just use 'double and triple' mode1 outlets instead 20:48 < curious> korrosa, hum, would have to dig a lot to find photo 20:48 < curious> it's some standard chineese bike 20:49 < curious> charge lasts ~20km , though it was easy to add batteries to make it last 60km 20:50 < curious> not much, but assuming price like 0.5e per 100km , nothing beats it so far ;) 21:14 < korrosa> Certainly enough to commute with! 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