--- Log opened Wed Feb 15 00:00:45 2012 01:29 -!- flaroche [~laroche@dslb-178-002-181-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 01:33 -!- laroche [~laroche@dslb-094-216-172-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:24 -!- cp15` [rqvosg@p57B1CD98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:24 -!- cp15 [dayiee@p57B1CA68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:24 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:24 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 03:35 -!- davekong [~davekong@unaffiliated/davekong] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 05:03 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@g231169137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:07 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:36c0::1] has joined #navit 05:07 -!- noradtux|away is now known as noradtux 06:21 -!- playya_ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 06:25 -!- playya__ [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:37 -!- efess` [~Efess@ool-18bfe031.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #navit 06:39 -!- efess [~Efess@ool-18bfe031.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:51 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 08:04 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 08:13 <@Horwitz> morgen 08:20 -!- InBar [~v@77.242.201.52] has joined #navit 08:28 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:47 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.52] has joined #navit 08:57 -!- AngusRF [~Angus@mnch-5d86c66e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #navit 10:11 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Quit: reboot] 10:43 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 10:45 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 10:58 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:11 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 11:43 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has joined #navit 11:43 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 12:03 -!- xyz32 [~opera@216.252.88.75] has joined #navit 12:03 < xyz32> hello 12:03 < xyz32> looks like planet extractor is down again: (Map Version 120208) 12:04 -!- xyz32 [~opera@216.252.88.75] has left #navit [] 12:16 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #navit 12:22 < antiram> davekong: try my android apk from ticket 46. Its updated today, tested with 20 waypoints outdoor. With weak gps you have to remove sometimes a passed waypoints by hand. 12:23 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #navit [] 12:27 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #navit 12:28 < antiram> remove the other navit package before installing 12:28 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #navit [] 13:53 -!- AlexWien [d973410f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.115.65.15] has joined #navit 13:53 < AlexWien> Hi! 13:54 < AlexWien> We have detected strange issues when using the patch that allows via routing. 13:54 < AlexWien> Can anybody explain me how to intrpret the Route Graph that can optionally be displayed in the NAVIt Map? 13:54 < AlexWien> There are arrows and c ircles and crosses 13:55 < AlexWien> And number on some junctions 14:03 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@249.170.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 14:03 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 14:04 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has joined #navit 14:07 < tryagain> AlexWien Numbers are distances from target 14:07 < tryagain> Crosses are probably just combined together arrows 14:08 < tryagain> circles are route points 14:09 < tryagain> arrows show direction from source to destination, they are directed from point more far from source to nearer point. 14:12 < tryagain> AlexWien short algo description is here http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Routing 14:19 < AlexWien> Thanks, but i cannot see turn restrictions or one ways? 14:21 < AlexWien> @cp15 and others: Are there any know limitation sof the "add destination" feature. What its the reason, that it is not in the standard GUI (Only rechable via patch) ? 14:22 < AlexWien> (I found one bug, when there are two destinations on the same road link) 14:42 < tryagain> AlexWien There was a discussion here a few days ago. Cp15 was pointing at the patch minor drawbacks. I don't know why patch author didn't post updated patch today, just new apk revision. 14:42 < tryagain> As for me, I'm not going to run his binary distribution ;) 14:44 < tryagain> As for one-ways... Probably, I was misleading with arrows. Probably on oneways you will have only one arrow on the segment, on bidirectionals, there will be two arrows on the ends. 14:45 < tryagain> Well, for bidirectional ways there will be two segments with arrows drawn on top of eachother. 14:46 < AlexWien> Hm the discussion some day ago, meant anothe rpatch, the patch that i mean, is more than one year old 14:46 < tryagain> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/46 14:47 < tryagain> today, 12:22 < antiram> davekong: try my android apk from ticket 46. Its updated today, tested with 20 waypoints outdoor. With weak gps you have to remove sometimes a passed waypoints by hand. 14:47 < tryagain> As for turn restrictions, there will be no segments drawn where no turn is allowed. 14:48 < AlexWien> Ok that ticket/46 is the patch i use, too 14:48 < AlexWien> I will add a comment about the bug which will add a loop in the route wheb ther are two destinations on the same road link. 14:49 <@cp15> AlexWien, well, waypoint routing might be somewhat buggy 14:50 < AlexWien> By the way I work with the patch, for a half year, with 50 via points, It works, but today i found a strange route, where I am not sure if t hat wa scause by the multi dest patch, or if it has anoteh reason. 14:50 <@cp15> 50 via points? and it didn't explode? 14:51 < AlexWien> cp15 Have you some more info what bugs you now about the "add_destination" routing? 14:52 <@cp15> Well, I personally know of none, but the feature had nearly no testing 14:52 < AlexWien> No 50 via points didnt do anything bad, I first did not believe, that all 50 have been taken, but then I created programatically a 50 Point Zig-Zag through Vienna. It works 14:52 < tryagain> discussion i was talking about is at http://irclogs.navit.ie/%23navit-2012-02-06.log 14:52 < AlexWien> But its not an android, its a PC wioth 2GB Memory 14:53 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #navit 14:54 < tryagain> hehe 14:54 < AlexWien> And our demo devices are tabletzs with 8GB (hehe!) 14:54 <@cp15> Yes, that will be a problem for sure, if you route over several large cities it will be quite memory intensive, since the route graph will cover all cities, not just the next one 14:55 < tryagain> antiram how's your patch from #46 is different from the patch by tegzed? 14:55 < AlexWien> @cp15 Yes I have mr info about the loop bug, I will add the info to ticket 46, with a code snipped how to fix it. 14:56 < AlexWien> .. snippet.... 14:57 < tryagain> AlexWien better post new patch for current svn so it may be commited if there are no serious problems with it 14:59 < AlexWien> I do not use the current navit, we use a specific version, and I am not familar creating patches. I have chaged much in the route.c and navit.c so a patch would not help (maybe if it is only limited to one fucntion, than it would work) 15:00 < AlexWien> But ist only 6 line sof code 15:01 < AlexWien> (I added the add_derstainion to add_destination_with_heading, which is far superior if you know the heading of a waypoint 15:01 < AlexWien> (But this does not work with clicking into the map) 15:02 < AlexWien> @cp15 do you kown an easy way to convert the Speech text from utf8 to windows code map ? 15:03 < AlexWien> I have problems with ÄÖÜßäöü 15:04 <@cp15> Not immediately 15:04 <@cp15> As a quick hack, you could just replace the utf-8 codes with windows codes 15:05 < tryagain> AlexWien have you tired placing iconv before balabolka? 15:05 < AlexWien> not yet 15:05 < AlexWien> iconv.exe from svn? 15:05 < tryagain> I'm unsure if we have one. 15:06 < tryagain> I was telling about official iconv windows port. 15:19 < tryagain> antiram can you please be dropping a note when you change your patch at the trac. Even "patch is updated, minor error is fixed" would be better than nothin. Otherwise we don't note that your patch is changed and can't test it. 15:19 < antiram> tryagain: patch updated in ticket 46. difference to old text is in the ticket 15:19 < tryagain> :) 15:20 < AlexWien> antiram: I hjave a question to your change in count=route_get_destinations(this_->route, pc, 16); 15:21 < antiram> what question? 15:21 < AlexWien> What effect had this limitation to 16? 15:21 < AlexWien> You changed it to: count=route_get_destinations(this_->route, pc, navit_get_destination_count(this_)); 15:22 < antiram> i removed the limit of 16 replaced with current length of route. make a walk with >16 waypoints 15:22 < AlexWien> Whitout this change what would be the effect? 15:23 < antiram> i have forgotten, but i can try with ubuntu navit demo vehicle 15:25 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:27 < AlexWien> Thanks, Please try to find out what the limitation to 16 meant. 15:31 < AlexWien> 16: Seems that removal of a waypoint when reached was limited to the first 16 waypoints 15:37 < AlexWien> I do not have a iconv ( I am using the windows port) , where should that located? 15:38 < AlexWien> @cp15 to quick hack, yes or even replace ä with ae and ß with ss 15:41 < AlexWien> But on road names this does not work well 15:42 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:42 < AlexWien> i can change the "Demnächst" but not the äöü-Umlaut in road names ;-) 15:48 < AlexWien> Hm, I could programatically change the UTF8 code to windows, that woudl work 15:53 < antiram> AlexWien: seems working with 16, also remove last waypoint. (but i am shure there was something) 16:55 -!- sera_ [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has joined #navit 16:56 -!- sera [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08 < AlexWien> Thanks antiram, once you will remember what was the difference, please post .... 17:15 -!- tryagain [d9962abb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.187] has joined #navit 17:18 < tryagain> AlexWien iconv is separate project, and it seems to have its own windows port. 17:35 < CIA-49> mdankov * r4937 /trunk/navit/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal.c: Fix:gui_internal:Main navit object now is destroyed by unref code. No need to do it twice. Fix crashing on quit on some platforms. 17:38 < curious> wow 17:39 < curious> btw. i've thought few times about somehow splitting routing code from navit itself 17:39 < curious> so it could run as daemon on some other machine 17:40 < curious> this way one could run navit smoothly on handheld device, while it could access bigger laptop or tablet either in backpack, or even over internet @ home 17:41 < curious> also another bonus could be it could calculate two alternate routes in parallel 17:42 < curious> i.e. by local transport or by foot, and display them together so user had more decision options 17:45 < AlexWien> @curious thats not so easy, the device must still have the vectors to when to signal navigation messages, 17:46 < AlexWien> .. the vectors to know when to signal navigation messages 17:47 < AlexWien> reroute situation must be detected 17:48 < AlexWien> you woul dhave to transmit the vectors let say 100 m around the route to the navi (like offline navigation does) 17:52 < curious> i think just after route re-calculation whole route could be downloaded by handheld device 17:53 < curious> and just re-calculation would occur at 'backpack' 17:56 < curious> ofc that sounds like quite lot of data for internet scenario, but it's not silver bullet and in some scenarios like busy cities (where you have LTE avail cheap) it could save users from carrying heavy machines with large batteries 18:01 < curious> and well, it's imho only sane way to develop it further into daemons doing i.e. social networking, so if you i.e. want to meet your friend during busy city day , you don't have to chat and set when and where, just join it to common scheduler and it'll routeplan you both and display any corrections in case of glitches , again without unnessesary messaging, chats, etc. :) 18:12 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has joined #navit 18:23 -!- InBar [~v@77.242.201.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:25 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 18:28 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:26 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 19:31 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has joined #navit 19:32 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 19:46 -!- robster [~rob@83.217.123.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has joined #navit 20:02 -!- antiram [~antiram@HSI-KBW-085-216-094-166.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #navit [] 20:02 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10 < ThomasAH> curious: I think monav uses the approach of a routing daemon 20:13 < tryagain> antiram we usually no use c++ - style comments (//) in the code. 20:13 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:16 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@2001:470:1f13:6e7:6ef0:49ff:fee6:8e93] has joined #navit 20:53 -!- noradtux is now known as noradtux|away 20:56 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225146199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 21:00 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@essn-d9b9c0cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #navit 21:00 < xenos1984> hi everybody 21:06 < tryagain> hi xenos 21:09 < curious> ThomasAH, thx 21:09 < woglinde_> hi xenos 21:09 < woglinde_> hi tryagain 21:10 < xenos1984> hi tryagain & woglinde_ 21:11 < xenos1984> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=15458 << the old problem of "how does navit assign streets to towns?" 21:13 < xenos1984> is there any chance that navit respects admininstrative boundaries in the near future? afaik, currently only is_in tags and an estimated perimeter based on the town's population are used, right? 21:15 < woglinde_> I think its still the first 21:16 < woglinde_> but relations support got into maptool too 21:16 < woglinde_> dont know how well it now works 21:17 < woglinde_> I wonder who Mhomann is 21:17 < xenos1984> i haven't tested that yet... i guess i should have a look at the code and figure out what it's supposed to do 21:17 < xenos1984> << Mhohmann, the second h is important ;) 21:17 < woglinde_> *g* 21:18 < woglinde_> sorry 21:18 < xenos1984> np ;) 21:24 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 21:26 < tryagain> hi woglinde 21:26 < woglinde_> hi rd 21:28 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-56-163.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #navit 21:29 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@88.127.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 21:29 -!- Benja1972 [~sergei@88.127.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has left #navit [] 21:31 < Number6> Gentlemen 21:31 < xenos1984> at least maptool processes the boundary relations from the osm input file... 21:32 < xenos1984> hi Number6 21:34 < tryagain> gn all 21:34 -!- tryagain [d9962abb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.187] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:11 -!- _rd_ [~rd@p57B496E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:37 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-56-163.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me] 22:45 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@essn-d9b9c0cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48 -!- tripzero [tripzero@nat/intel/x-dynhivyrxaliaogv] has joined #navit 22:49 -!- tripzero [tripzero@nat/intel/x-dynhivyrxaliaogv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50 -!- tripzero [tripzero@nat/intel/x-hebpzbiydthdinbw] has joined #navit 22:55 -!- woglinde_ [~heinold@g225146199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] --- Log closed Thu Feb 16 00:00:45 2012