--- Log opened Wed Feb 29 00:00:45 2012 00:28 -!- ColdFyre [~lenny@c-98-248-33-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 03:22 -!- cp15` [orkyex@p57B1D309.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 03:22 -!- cp15 [wziusp@p57B1CCBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:22 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 03:22 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 05:03 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:36df::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:10 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:311e::1] has joined #navit 05:10 -!- noradtux|away is now known as noradtux 05:22 -!- sera_ is now known as sera 06:21 <@Horwitz> morgen 07:27 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:311e::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:27 -!- noradtux|away [~noradtux@g224054179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 07:28 -!- noradtux|away is now known as noradtux 07:59 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.52] has joined #navit 08:16 < KaZeR_W> hi there 08:24 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 09:34 -!- korrosa [c3028868@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.136.104] has joined #navit 09:37 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has joined #navit 09:37 < korrosa> tryagain: Your last commit works like a dream! Thanks!! 09:37 < korrosa> (Jesus, are you following me??!!) 09:38 < tryagain> How have you managed to find that commit? 09:39 < korrosa> I looked with my eyes... 09:39 < tryagain> CIA robot was busy taking beer with you snake when I was commiting 09:39 < tryagain> *your 09:40 < korrosa> Yeah, but here's my secret: commit mailing list...! 09:41 < tryagain> ah... 09:42 < tryagain> so what do you feel is to be done with paging buttons? 09:42 < korrosa> Well, not sure. 09:43 < korrosa> Personally, I don't use them anymore. 09:43 < korrosa> Therefore, I don't care if they are removed by default. 09:44 < korrosa> But for navit on laptops and netbooks, it may still be useful. Gestures are a non-standard thing on those devices (outside of the geek-set, of course!). I haven't tried it yet, but does scrolling using the mousewheel work in the internel GUI too? 09:45 < tryagain> No, it's not working. Scrolling a wheel seems to act like a fast button press and release. 09:46 < korrosa> Ah, OK. 09:47 < tryagain> but that may be platform dependent. 09:47 < korrosa> I can't get it to work on Windows... 09:47 < tryagain> what goes wrong? 09:47 < korrosa> Still, clicking and dragging is a fairly normal procedure on a normal computer, so I don't think it'd be a problem... 09:47 < korrosa> (Nothing goes wrong: I just meant the scrollwheel doesn't scroll through the list) 09:48 < tryagain> ah. got it. 09:50 <@cp15> Actually supporting the scroll wheel might be useful 09:50 < korrosa> Woah, a wild boss appears! 09:51 <@cp15> You can make a push-turn-button pretty easily which behaves like the scroll wheel or the middle mouse button 09:51 <@cp15> So you can walk through the possibilities by turning the button and selecting one by pushing it 09:53 <@cp15> But it might be a bit hard to link all the widgets to a chain without loops and omits automatically 09:55 < tryagain> we have something similar for keyboard arrows 10:01 <@cp15> Yes, but the arrows are 4-way, the scroll wheel is only 2-way 10:08 < tryagain> hm why anyone should use scroll wheel to jump from one visible item to another? If I already have left the keyboard and took the mouse, I would just point and click the item I need. 10:08 < tryagain> Scroll wheel is naturally used to scroll (or page) the list. 10:09 <@cp15> It is intended for such a device http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/5/5/1/2/5/6/Mercedes-E-350-CGI-560x373-b516ca95b610b5d8.jpg 10:09 < tryagain> *the list having some invisible items 10:10 <@cp15> korrosa, can you tell me the correct english word for such a button? 10:10 < tryagain> so there's no mouse, no keyboard, only scroll wheel and, i hope, touchscreen... 10:11 <@cp15> No, only scroll wheel 10:16 < tryagain> And how OS interpretes it? Scroll wheel events are usually come with clicked point coordinates. But there's no way to move a pointer. So it's probably represented as two (or three) keys rather than mouse wheel. 10:18 < korrosa> That, my friends, is a "knob" 10:18 < korrosa> Or a "control knob", if you wish. 10:20 < korrosa> Actually, it's like a continuously rotatable joystick with fire-button. 10:20 < korrosa> As you can see, a correct English word doesn't really exist! 10:21 < korrosa> tryagain: For more info on this type of system as cp15 describes, see the iDrive from BMW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDrive 10:27 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49672.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 10:32 < tryagain> iDrive is controlled by manipulating the control knob. This can be pushed north, south, east, west; pushed inwards (down), nudged left and right, or rotated left and right. The control knob contains an element of 'force feedback' so the knob can not be rotated further than there are options on the screen. It will also kick back slightly as it scrolls through options. This makes it easier to use while driving and keeping your eyes on 10:32 < tryagain> that's more that just a pushable wheel 10:32 < tryagain> s/that/than/ 10:33 < korrosa> Yup, it's a special joystick! 10:45 <@cp15> We need space mouse support for navit ;-) 10:49 -!- rd [~rd@p57B49672.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:59 < korrosa> Yes! That's what I'm using: http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacenavigator.html 10:59 < korrosa> We just call these spaceballs... 11:03 -!- InBar [~v@77.242.201.52] has joined #navit 11:04 < korrosa> cp15: There's a note on the wiki that if I was to select a map on map-extractor and select any other corner than the top left first when dragging the polygon, the map won't work in Navit. Is this true? 11:04 <@cp15> Hmm... Let me check 11:07 <@cp15> Don't think so 11:07 <@cp15> The data in "Fetch box" is the same, no matter which corner you are using as start, and therefore the url is also the same 11:08 < korrosa> That's what I thought. The diff on the wiki is http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php?title=OpenStreetMap&action=historysubmit&diff=5296&oldid=5127 11:19 < korrosa> OK, tried it for myself and I can't find any issues, so I'll remove the note. 11:21 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27 < korrosa> cp15: Another question - can we move the default storage location of bookmarks.txt to the sdcard? And if we do, can we have something to retrieve the bookmarks.txt file from its original location? 11:27 < korrosa> (Sorry, this is for Android) 11:46 <@cp15> Should be possible 11:57 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 12:15 -!- efess` [~Efess@ool-18bfe031.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:48 -!- kondrat1206 [~kondrat12@94.158.82.8] has quit [Quit: QIP Infium IRC protocol->http://forum.qip.ru] 14:10 -!- efess [~Efess@ool-18bfe031.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #navit 14:15 -!- evitca [~antenna@dslb-178-007-141-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #navit 14:20 < evitca> Hi there! Anybody here who can give me an example of how to use the speed_cam OSD w/ cam type selection? I just want a warning for fixed speed cams. 14:35 < korrosa> evitca: What have you tried so far? 14:35 < korrosa> It should just be flags="1" inside the osd tag. 14:48 < evitca> korrosa: Thanks, flags was no where in the wiki example. How can I embed the csv files for each camera type? Are there any new item_types? Apart from tec_common. 14:51 < korrosa> Yeah, flags is at the very bottom of the wiki example - not very well defined!! 14:51 < korrosa> What sort of format are your csv files in? 14:51 < korrosa> Is this to display them on screen? 14:53 < korrosa> There are no new item_types - all cameras are usually defined as tec_common. It depends what you want to use though. 14:53 < korrosa> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_csv_format#Special_Case:_IGO8_.28speed_camera.29_files 14:55 < korrosa> So, the only thing that cares about the different types of cameras is the speed_cam OSD. Navit itself (so to speak) doesn't make the distinction. 14:55 < evitca> It's the IGO8 format from the files available at speedcamerapoi.com. I want the symbols of all cams to be shown, but only acoustic announcements for the fixed and non-mobile ones 14:55 < korrosa> OK, that's easy then: just use the example in the wiki link above... 15:00 -!- sera_ [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has joined #navit 15:04 -!- sera [~sera@gentoo/developer/sera] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04 < evitca> korrosa: last time I used this feature I got warnings for all cams in a certain distance, no matter if I was actually on that road or not. Any chance navit will consider the direction or road I am on, now? 15:04 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:11 < korrosa> evitca: No, it's purely based on straight-line distance. 15:12 < evitca> too bad, that makes it still kinda useless 15:16 -!- playya [~playya@unaffiliated/playya] has joined #navit 15:18 < korrosa> I would say 'slightly less useful'...! 16:18 -!- evitca [~antenna@dslb-178-007-141-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #navit [] 16:31 -!- InBar [~v@77.242.201.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46 -!- tryagain [529762b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.98.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55 -!- tryagain [d9765f71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.95.113] has joined #navit 17:02 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 < korrosa> Anyone in here used the Android build script recently? Any experiences or things I should look out for? http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/863/android_build.sh 17:11 < korrosa> http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/contrib/android_build.sh?revision=4507&view=markup 17:17 -!- tryagain [d9765f71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.95.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:18 -!- korrosa [c3028868@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.2.136.104] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:25 -!- panda81 [cff22602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.242.38.2] has joined #navit 17:29 -!- AngusRF [~Angus@mnch-5d875679.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #navit 18:21 < panda81> hi. I placed a .bin map in the maps folder and updated navit.xml. How do I make it show up in Navit? 19:08 -!- korrosa [~netbook@host-2-98-221-94.as13285.net] has joined #navit 19:08 < korrosa> panda81: What do you see? 19:09 < panda81> korrosa: I see nothing, a pale yellow background. 19:09 < korrosa> Do you have GPS signal? 19:09 < panda81> I also adjusted this: 19:09 < korrosa> Forget about center=. Do you have gps signal? 19:09 < panda81> I'm running it on Windows desktop. So no 19:11 < korrosa> Go into the menu, hit town and type in the name of a town which should be on your map. 19:12 < panda81> nothing. Maybe I have a bad map? But I don't get any error in navit.log for my .bin 19:13 < korrosa> How many have you got active? 19:14 < korrosa> Actually, just copy your entire navit.xml and put it on pastebin.org. The link the url back here... 19:14 < panda81> One: 19:14 < panda81> http://pastebin.com/MUqjJ4tv 19:19 < korrosa> Go to Settings > Maps and see if the map shows up in the list there... 19:19 < panda81> it does 19:20 < korrosa> And is it active (green tick next to it)? 19:20 < panda81> one odd thing is, I have But in the Navit app, at "Map Point", I have 38 20'16" N 122 2'18" W 19:21 < panda81> Notice the sign change. But I guess that's ok because E also became W 19:21 < panda81> korrosa: Yes, this is a green tick 19:22 < korrosa> OK. My conclusion: your map is obviously there, but the view is not centred over your map. Either that or you're way zoomed out or in. 19:22 < panda81> omg you are right 19:22 < panda81> I click the - icon and it shows. 19:23 < korrosa> Ta da!! 19:24 < panda81> Maybe I just lacked that one additional click. Because I clicked on it previously too 19:25 < panda81> interesting. If I drag to view one part of the city, the other part disappears 19:26 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 19:29 < panda81> I think that's another reason I saw nothing, when I was zoomed in at the part of city that disappears depending on view point 20:03 < panda81> I'm thinking about reconverting my osm map to .bin because I have display issues. Would it be alright to use maptool.exe from Sep 2010? 20:06 -!- cp15 [orkyex@p57B1D309.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:09 < panda81> or, where might be a more recent maptool.exe be found? 20:11 -!- cp15 [sttgqc@p57B1D309.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 20:11 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 20:23 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 -!- tryagain [d9962abb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.187] has joined #navit 21:03 < korrosa> Oh God, I just removed my entire PATH variable by accident. FML. 21:06 < tryagain> panda81 You generally should use same maptool version as navit.exe you use. And both should be as recent as possible. Nobody will solve issues with 2-year-old version of navit. Also, if you use recent navit.exe, you may just load map from planet extractor. 21:07 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13 < CIA-49> sleske * r4955 /trunk/navit/navit/xpm/nav_svg.html: Add:xpm:Title for icon example page 21:13 < panda81> tryagain: No maptool.exe isn included from recent builds at http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32/svn/ 21:14 < panda81> tryagain: No maptool.exe is included from recent builds at http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32/svn/ 21:17 < tryagain> panda81 better use http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32_cmake/svn/ 21:21 < panda81> oh nice didn't know it's there. And no need to install either. 21:21 < tryagain> and if you use current navit.exe from any of above links, you may use maps.navit-project.org to get your map. 21:23 < panda81> I'm getting city map from metro extract site 21:32 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-110-49.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #navit 22:01 < korrosa> cp15: Which android ndk version are the Android svn versions of Navit built against? 22:03 < Number6> korrosa: 2.3, I think 22:03 < korrosa> That's sdk. I'm after ndk. I can't get my build environment to work :( 22:04 < Number6> r6b 22:09 < korrosa> Hmm. 22:12 < korrosa> Number6: Looks like you have access - care to dig up the build script used on the server? 22:14 < Number6> Only for you, sweetie 22:14 < Number6> What chip and build system? (cmake or the other one)? 22:14 < korrosa> The other one. 22:15 < Number6> Arm4, 5 or x86? :-) 22:15 < korrosa> arm5 22:15 < korrosa> But building on an x86 system 22:16 < Number6> k. Shouldn't matter, you're doing a cross compile 22:17 < korrosa> Yup. Well, trying! 22:32 -!- panda81 [cff22602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.242.38.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38 -!- Dark_Ebola [~ebola@AToulouse-551-1-110-49.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me] 22:41 -!- tryagain [d9962abb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.150.42.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56 < korrosa> So that didn't work - anyone got an Android dev environment running? 23:44 -!- korrosa [~netbook@host-2-98-221-94.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Thu Mar 01 00:00:45 2012