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06:55 < PaulFertser> The OSM guys told me that there're "boundary relations" that are suitable to determine if some street belongs to a town and that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim uses it all right.
07:52 < PaulFertser> cp15: hey :) woglinde suggested me to ping you wrt street search. Is there any workaround to have it working with OSM currently? Is there any tool to inspect Navit binary maps?
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08:23 < tryagain> PaulFertser Did you have any success with Moscow?
08:24 < PaulFertser> tryagain: minor: i can actually search for the streets but probably only those that are near the city center.
08:25 < tryagain> I just wanted to make sure you're entering them in Russian
08:25 < PaulFertser> tryagain: i was
08:26 < tryagain> There's currently a workaround for street and house number search: use POI filter.
08:26 < PaulFertser> tryagain: hm, ok, thanks. Is it awfully slow? ;)
08:27 < tryagain> It depends. But I find it useable.
08:27 < tryagain> What is your device your run Navit on?
08:27 < PaulFertser> Even the (limited) street search is almost unusable slow on my Toshiba ac100. I doubt i would enjoy it more on my freerunner if i tried.
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08:38 < tryagain> PaulFertser in internal gui, street search is background process. And it should restart (restarts for me) after each typed character.
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08:45 < PaulFertser> tryagain: i'll check the sources later but it doesn't feel like it. Are you using hw keyboard?
08:46 < PaulFertser> i mean it does restart for me too but only after the previous search ends.
08:47 < tryagain> both hw and software kb works for me as described above. What OS do you run on the device?
08:50 < PaulFertser> tryagain: Debian GNU/Linux.
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08:54 < tryagain> What is your Navit version? Just to be sure you have not an outdated one from distribution.
08:55 < PaulFertser> tryagain: do  you mean that if you press several keys in a row you see on navit's stdout it skips searching for the intermediate variants?
08:56 < PaulFertser> tryagain: three days ago clone, cant check right atm (ircing from my FR).
09:03 < tryagain> When I press a key, the list continously updates with new items being found. If I press another key, list shortly disappears and begins to be pupulated with items corresponding to current filter condition.
09:04 < tryagain> If I do not press another key, time needed for list to stop updating is much more.
09:05 < tryagain> And yes, in stdout i see a message like gui_internal:gui_internal_search_changed:Street now 'Ка' as soon as i press second key
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10:36 < PaulFertser> tryagain: ok, looks like i'd need to see the code myself :(
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11:15 < tryagain> PaulFertser Fortunately Navit is opensource so you can see and even fix it ;)
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15:23 < inoculator> Hello erverybody
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15:25 < inoculator> I am struggling around with creating maps for NavIT from OSM sources. I am editing my area in OSM. OSM shows the new sets a few minutes later, but NavIT maps generator seems not to create the bin files from runtime, but from a cache, that needs some time to get new sets from OSM. Can somebody confirm this?
15:33 < inoculator> And another question, that is unanswered from the "allwissende Müllhalde" called Google: Is it possible to generate maps for NavIT using MOBAC?
16:19 < PaulFertser> tryagain: ok, so from a quick look it seems that gui_internal_search_idle() is getting called by the Gtk mainloop when idle but it uses search_list_get_result() (synchroniously) and that can't be interrupted, can it?
16:55 < inoculator> H.E.L.P... where do I find this "maptool" file? It is not on my Android and I havn't found it in any downloadable package from the project.
16:56 < PaulFertser> inoculator: maptool is available from the navit package.
16:56 < PaulFertser> inoculator: it's part of the navit sources.
16:56 < PaulFertser> inoculator: have you tried simply apt-get-installing navit on your host?
16:58 < inoculator> PaulFertser: I am sitting in front of a Windows box. Do I need to launch my Ubuntu? I am a little confused.
16:58 < PaulFertser> inoculator: windows box, meh :)
16:58 < PaulFertser> inoculator: no idea then :)
17:00 < PaulFertser> inoculator: http://packages.debian.org/sid/maptool
17:00 < inoculator> PaulFertser: doesn't surprise me. Just load http://download.navit-project.org/navit/src/svn/
17:00 < PaulFertser> inoculator: ahem? I have the sources cloned, so?
17:01 < inoculator> hmm... so maptool is a standalone dabian package?
17:02 < PaulFertser> inoculator: i'd say there exists a package "maptool" in Debian repository that contains the "maptool" utility which is part of the navit.
17:03 < inoculator> PaulFertser: jep. I need some time to realize. I am more Windows related, than Linux. But I give my VM a chance now ;-)
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17:43 < CIA-49> martin-s * r4970 /trunk/navit/navit/vehicle/gypsy/vehicle_gypsy.c: Fix:vehicle_gypsy:Gypsy speed is measured in m/s (assumed from example, documentation is unclear about units)
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19:04 < katzkid> hi
19:04 < katzkid> i need help to get my garmin maps to work on N810
19:09 < tryagain> PaulFertser well, search_list_get_result can't be interrupted. So until you get another result, you're frozen. As for me, it doesn't seem to have too much perfomance impact.
19:09 < tryagain> For example, on Windows search perfomance is affected by idle() being called every 100 ms.
19:09 < PaulFertser> tryagain: doesn't this one contradicts with what you told me earlier?
19:10 < tryagain> Results come for me faster than I type. So it's practically doesnt matter (for me).
19:11 < PaulFertser> tryagain: are you searching for something in a big city?
19:12 < tryagain> I've tried with your sample for Moscow, been entering for the test letters 'Ка'
19:13 < PaulFertser> tryagain: what's your hardware?
19:17 < tryagain> inoculator if you read logs. Windows version of maptool should be included in cmake builds, http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32_cmake/svn/ . There's no maptool in packages from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32/svn/
19:18 < tryagain> I was testing on oldy desktop, Celeron 2.4, 1,2Gb of RAM.
19:21 < PaulFertser> tryagain: my ac100 has 512Mb RAM and 1GHz ARM Tegra2 CPU, my FR is 400MHz armv4t with 128Mb of RAM. A non-interruptible search doesn't seem to be like a wise thing to do. Even on n900.
19:23 < tryagain> PaulFertser Re-tested it on HTC Wildfire S, 800Mhz CPU. I'm able to interrupt search when entering above two letters.
19:24 < tryagain> And results come much faster than interactive.
19:25 < PaulFertser> tryagain: hm, can you probably explain what exactly is getting interrupted? Am i wrong in my understanding of the code?
19:26 < tryagain> Well, when I enter more letters, it really looks like it have been hanged.
19:28 < tryagain> It can be interrupted between *_idle() calls, i.e. between search two results being returned.
19:33 < PaulFertser> tryagain: so do you confirm the user experience is not that pleasant with a less capable device?
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19:37 < tryagain> As you noted, street search has some drawbacks, and low perfomance is not worst of them. Unability to search for some streets (and housenumbers, if you go further) made it unuseable for me. I use that search for cities only, and then use POI filtering.
19:37 < tryagain> If you have expirence and time to help improving the search, you're always welcome ;)
19:41 < PaulFertser> tryagain: and energy... I have some programming experience but meh... so many things to do...
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22:09 < CIA-49> martin-s * r4971 /trunk/navit/navit/ (attr.c navit.c track.c xmlconfig.c): Fix:Core:Updated track.c to new object handling
22:55 < cezaryzukowski> How to create "binfile" form a text file containing lines like for example: type=rail debug="way_id=2953991 railway='rail' " ? Can be the tool called "maptool" used to achieve this ?
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