--- Log opened Sat Mar 17 00:00:39 2012
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00:08 < curious> i don't get it , navit on pc does it just fine
00:08 < curious> argh
00:28 < curious> i give up :/
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01:07 < wowon> Good morning ..
01:07 < wowon> any body still awake ?
01:24 < cezaryzukowski> yep
01:24 < cezaryzukowski> but in Ireland :)
01:41 < wowon> cezary : woopps
01:42 < wowon> I really need to know how to change some OSD attribut via dbus. any one can help me please ...
01:42 < wowon> is it 3 oclock there ?
01:45 < wowon> cezaryzukowsky : what time zone is used by the irclogger ? ... is it GMT+0 ?
01:46 < cezaryzukowski> wowon: it's almost 2 am in Ireland
01:47 < cezaryzukowski> wowon: I used dbus for some simple purposes but not for OSD so far
01:49 < wowon> cz : yes ... did for seting destination
01:49 < wowon> cz : brb .... have power maintenance here .... thx and by
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13:42 < alexi> hi,all
13:42 < alexi> nice to meet you.
13:43 < alexi> is there someone who can answer my question?
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14:23 < alexi> hello
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14:36 < efess`> maybe
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17:00 < PaulFertser> Are POI icons on map supposed to have transparent background? I every icon in a white box, doesn't look fine on map :/
17:02 < PaulFertser> Ah, that's only in car-dark layout, so probably ok.
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19:28 < inoculator> hello everyone
19:30 < inoculator> I have started to update OSM maps with housenumbers. I can find those records in the downloaded OSM-files. But in the resulting BIN file from maptool they seem to vanish. I use the tag "addr:housenumber" within a bulding or I set seperate points with "addr:housenumber" and "addr:street".
19:31 < inoculator> What am I doing wrong?
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19:45 < tryagain> inoculator can you please name some of wayids of osm objects you have changed? And what do you mean by "in the resulting BIN file from maptool they seem to vanish". Have you tried searching that binfile with POI filter for your housenumber?
19:50 < inoculator> tryagain: examble: Deutschland, Lennep, Kölner Straße, 112. Within NavIT I enter the search by "Town" - "Street" - "Housenumber". Up to street it works, but the housenumber is not reachable.
19:52 < PaulFertser> tryagain: hey! Thanks for the tip about using POIs to search streets and houses, that works ok'ish, thanks!
19:52 < PaulFertser> tryagain: btw, can one enable some regexps or simple glob matching for the poi search?
19:53 < tryagain> hm it matches partial words entered. Isnt that enough?
19:59 < PaulFertser> tryagain: what if i want to search for some particular house number on some particular street but i do not know the house subnumber?
20:00 < PaulFertser> Also, probably ё/е should be treated as the same character.
20:05 < tryagain> cyrillic?
20:07 < tryagain> you may enter "hou 12 Frank" to search for housenumber 12a Franklinstrasse. Also it will match housenumbers 125, 123q and so on
20:08 < PaulFertser> tryagain: yes. Do you mean a space matches any amount of any characters?
20:09 < PaulFertser> Or any non-zero amount? Is it documented somewhere or should i edit the wiki?
20:12 < tryagain> I don't know if it is documented. And not very well remember about zero/non-zero match. It's better try it and document it as is ;)
20:13 < PaulFertser> tryagain: heh, i'd think proper solution would be to look through the code and document it :)
20:27 < tryagain> PaulFertser BTW If you're interested in advanced Cyrillic search, llok at http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/917
20:30 < PaulFertser> tryagain: thanks!
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20:38 < PaulFertser> tryagain: why do you think the index should hold the data as present in OSM? Why wouldn't it be better to use "normalised" data in the index?
20:41 < PaulFertser> And then you can normalise all the input before doing the search.
20:41 < PaulFertser> s/can/should/
20:56 < tryagain> PaulFertser I thought about normalizing it before storing in binfile. But sometimes there are ambiguites. German umlautes is such an example. Letter ä from OSM should match in search term to both itself, "a" and "ae".
20:57 < tryagain> Also it would be nice to match a or ae entered in OSM to ä.
20:59 < tryagain> And we probably not going to match any 'ae' from OSM to 'a' entered in a query string.
20:59 < PaulFertser> tryagain: so why can't ä and ae be normalised to a both while preparing the binfile and before the searching?
20:59 < tryagain> What if we have ae in the search string?
21:00 < PaulFertser> tryagain: it'll get normalised to a
21:01 < PaulFertser> And the original OSM string should probably be still stored in the bin file, so if you want to do something real fancy and language-specific you can perform it after narrowing down the search with the help of the index
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21:08 < tryagain> how would you normalize aä? Remember, there's a rule for å, which corresponds both to a and  aa. Are you going to normalize rcursively?
21:08 < tryagain> *recursively
21:09 < tryagain> PaulFertser So you get a for above example.
21:11 < PaulFertser> tryagain: i think no, one pass of normalisation should be enough. When will it give bad results if both OSM and user input is normalised just once before the comparision?
21:14 < tryagain> aäe in OSM, will become aae. aae entered by user will become ae.
21:15 < tryagain> Examples are very generic, i'm unsure if there is at least one real-life sample for that, but I prefer to guard against it as we'll have no way to fix it later if some language will bring us such a surprise.
21:16 < PaulFertser> True
21:16  * PaulFertser needs to sleep apparently
21:16 < tryagain> good night!
21:16 < PaulFertser> tryagain: have you found the downsides of normalising in several passes (until there's no change performed) already?
21:19 < tryagain> Don't remember well, but I think I have found some.  Multipass normalization would depend on rules application order. But we're expecting that some rules may be applied by human, i.e. out of normal (expected) order.
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21:19 < PaulFertser> tryagain: good night. Yes, unpredictable rules application by a human operator is exactly what i was thinking right atm.
21:20 < tryagain> gn
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